The War in Iraq is a total waste of time:

http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/2005/11/show-and-tell-photo-essay.html

11/22/2005 2:58:21 PM

11/22/2005 2:59:41 PM

YOU CANT POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY HERE OR WE WILL DROWN IT OUT WITH IDIOTIC PICTURES AND COMMENTS

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 3:47 PM. Reason : AND OF COURSE COMICS, WE LOVE THE COMICS HERE]

11/22/2005 3:47:38 PM

Wait. So helping a few kids out negates invading their country based on lies and killing 100,000 of their people, torturing their men and raping their women at Abu Ghraib and other prisons, using white phosphorous and napalm-like M77 bombs on civilians in Fallujah, etc. Weren't they better off under Saddam? Didn't we say he was bad for torturing people? Did Saddam kill 100,000 Iraqi civilians (and wound thousands more) in a two and a half year period?

Can't you see that this is pure propaganda? Sure, the soldiers may give the kids some candy and they may do a few nice things for these people, but it is a charade. It is for PR purposes. They can put a camera on that and show it to the American people and say "Here. Look. The War is Good." But they're not showing you the pictures of bombed out cities, dead burned bodies in the streets, and mangled children with their arms and legs blown off. They're not talking about the 100,000 Iraqi civlians that have been killed in this insane war.

How are the Iraqis better off? How are they better off when 100,000 plus of them have been killed, and more and more die each day in the chaos and violence that has broke out as a result of the war?

11/22/2005 3:52:43 PM

11/22/2005 3:53:30 PM

new game! Whenever salisbury boy says the line "based on lies" we all take a shot!

11/22/2005 3:53:38 PM

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"Can't you see that this is pure propaganda? Sure, the soldiers may give the kids some candy and they may do a few nice things for these people, but it is a charade. It is for PR purposes. They can put a camera on that and show it to the American people and say "Here. Look. The War is Good.""

of course, because obviously no American servicemen are decent human beings, and have a genuine interest in outstretching a hand to those in need.

fucking idiot. that's personally insulting in my book, when that's half of the reason i signed my name on the line.

11/22/2005 4:03:53 PM

i bet salisbury doesn't talk half the shit he does here in public. he'd have his beak pushed back a lot.

11/22/2005 4:06:43 PM

i bet he does

and i bet his beak is just fine

11/22/2005 4:13:05 PM

i bet he doesn't go out in public

except to buy more aluminum foil

11/22/2005 4:13:58 PM

RIGHT

11/22/2005 4:13:58 PM

^^^c'mon now, be fair

what are the chances that salisburyboy even goes out in to public

edit: duke beat me by 3 seconds


[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2005 4:14:01 PM

you guys are so cute, with your ad hominems

11/22/2005 4:15:30 PM

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"of course, because obviously no American servicemen are decent human beings, and have a genuine interest in outstretching a hand to those in need. "

Of course some American soldiers are decent human beings and help out the Iraqis because they care. My point is that it is PR propaganda for the media and others to use these small gestures to attempt to justify the war and paint a rosy picture of what is going on there.

11/22/2005 4:16:30 PM

so let me get this straight...

reporting bad things is news

reporting good things is propaganda, probably because the same illuminati and jews who control the government also control the media

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 4:19 PM. Reason : asfdad]

11/22/2005 4:18:00 PM

The point is that these "good things" are minuscule in comparison to the great harm that has been done to their country. 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed in this insanity. Giving a piece of candy to a kid means nothing in comparison to the needless slaughter of 100,000 people. Thousands more have been maimed and injured.

The media should be objective and give attention to the pros and cons proportionate to their overall worth. The media should be talking about the harm done to Iraq in this madness 99.9% of the time. But have they done so? Do they show us the pictures of mangled children with their limbs blown off? Do they give us updates nightly on the total number of Iraqi civilians killed in the war? Do they give voice to Iraqis who oppose the American invasion and occupation of their country?


[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 4:28 PM. Reason : `]

11/22/2005 4:25:26 PM

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"100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed in this insanity."

i'd like to see a credible source that can back that claim up with actual data.

11/22/2005 4:27:19 PM

so, what, is it more like 4 or 5 dead iraqis?

and a couple guys with the flu?

11/22/2005 4:28:28 PM

100,000 Civilian Deaths Estimated in Iraq
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7967-2004Oct28.html

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"The researchers called their estimate conservative because they excluded deaths in Fallujah, a city west of Baghdad that has been the scene of particularly intense fighting and has accounted for a disproportionately large number of deaths in the survey. "We are quite confident that there's been somewhere in the neighborhood of 100,000 deaths, but it could be much higher," Roberts said. "

And this article is dated from October of 2004. The death toll is surely much higher than this now.

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 4:34 PM. Reason : `]

11/22/2005 4:31:02 PM

^ that analysis, from over a year ago, has already been largely discredited as way over the top.

please try again.

11/22/2005 4:32:35 PM

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"that analysis, from over a year ago, has already been largely discredited as way over the top."

"Discredited" by who? YOU? Can you provide anything to back up this claim?

11/22/2005 4:35:31 PM

The 100,000 figure is pretty accurate. I heard an interview with the guy who oversaw the survey, and it was very well done.

However, the study didn't discriminate between civilians and combatants. The guy made sure to be very clear about this point. This is 100,000 extra people dead than what was average under Hussein. The civilian/combatant ratio of this number is totally unknown.


P.S., this is a dumb thread. Children are cute! Yay war! Saddam was opressing their cuteness!


^^ Give me a source discrediting it? The only aspect that was "discredited" was that the figure covered insurgent deaths as well. The study never claimed it didn't.

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

11/22/2005 4:36:09 PM

11/22/2005 4:37:27 PM

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"However, the study didn't discriminate between civilians and combatants. The guy made sure to be very clear about this point. This is 100,000 extra people dead than what was average under Hussein. The civilian/combatant ratio of this number is totally unknown."

ding ding ding ding ding

salisbury wants you to believe that that was 100,000 8 year olds that died at the hands of bombs and white phosphorous shells that targeted their orphanages.

whenever civilian deaths is brought up, that 100,000 number is always the one he spouts, when everyone knows that's not an accurate number.

11/22/2005 4:39:49 PM

wait

insurgents aren't for the most part civilians?

i thought they were just iraq's versions of george washington and paul revere

11/22/2005 4:42:03 PM

believe me, there is no sense in arguing with these people about civilian casualties.

11/22/2005 5:24:30 PM

i'm so glad the world agrees with how we run our country and no army has invaded us

11/22/2005 5:48:35 PM

insurgents cease to be civilians when they pick up a gun or rpg or bomb and use them against our forces.

11/22/2005 6:07:46 PM

11/22/2005 6:11:50 PM

OMG MICHAELYON.BLOGSPOT.COM!!!!!!

CRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS DUDE KNOWS EVERY KID IN IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11/22/2005 7:00:21 PM

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"insurgents cease to be civilians when they pick up a gun or rpg or bomb and use them against our forces."

wow

just really

wow

disliking OUR forces being in THEIR FUCKING COUNTRY makes someone lose their citizenship for a country

whats the percentage of Iraqi armed forces being attacked compared to American armed forces

11/22/2005 9:25:12 PM

My wife's father prefers coke because that's what american soldiers in the forgotten war gave him when they came through his town. I think that's intriguing.

11/22/2005 9:33:52 PM

by forgotten war

you mean Korea?

11/22/2005 9:39:12 PM

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"disliking OUR forces being in THEIR FUCKING COUNTRY makes someone lose their citizenship for a country"

do you really not understand the definition of the word "civilian" or how it is different from the word "citizen"?

Someone who is engaging in armed combat can not be considered a civilian no matter what the circumstances.

11/22/2005 9:41:52 PM

^^^^no, but it makes them legitimate targets

not to mention stupid

we're trying to hook them up

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 9:42 PM. Reason : and yeah, Korea is the "forgotten war"]

11/22/2005 9:42:10 PM

11/22/2005 9:48:19 PM

i guess i was confusing civilian and citizen

11/22/2005 9:59:07 PM

someone sent me this link (or a similar one) last winter

around the same time, a friend of mine received pictures from a guy at his church that is currently in iraq. i got to see those as well.

they cancelled each other out. i cant say i can talk positively about any civilian casualties, but thats just my conscience and religion getting in the way, i guess.

11/22/2005 10:10:18 PM

of course the lefties wont be able to figure out that theyre WRONG here

goo job!

11/23/2005 1:15:24 PM

I would like you a lot more if you were THE BI GIRL.

11/23/2005 1:25:31 PM

^^ I'm scared to ask, but you did mean good job right?

11/23/2005 3:14:29 PM

If the title of the thread had been The left is right, I may have had an aneurism.

11/23/2005 3:46:31 PM