Who's the stronger conference for the upcoming bball season, the Big Least or the ACC?

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11/8/2005 12:46:59 PM

Big East. NO QUESTION. Most years it would be close. Anyone who thinks the ACC is stronger this year doesn't need to post in Sports Talk anymore. Period. And no I'm not looking up any empirical evidence because I don't need to.

11/8/2005 12:53:13 PM

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""Give me a break," Clemson coach Oliver Purnell said. "We're the best league in the country. ... DePaul and Marquette, they're good programs, but they're not ACC-type programs. Cincinnati is obviously not an ACC-type team.""

get em Oliver

^

IM RIGHT AND I DONT HAVE TO LOOK IT UP

11/8/2005 12:54:32 PM

let the ncaa tournament decide

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"The addition of Boston College, which shared the 2005 Big East regular-season title, gives the ACC another strong program."

hahaaha, we took your only good team

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11/8/2005 12:56:51 PM

^^ you're god damn right I'm correct. Seriously. The ACC is historically the best bball conference year in and year out. In 2005-2006 they aren't even close. It's not opinion. It's fact.

^ anyone who thinks BC is anything but a flash in the pan program obviously hasn't followed college basketball for too long.

[Edited on November 8, 2005 at 1:04 PM. Reason : f]

11/8/2005 12:59:46 PM

arent even close? plz.

Big Least is marginally better. They dont play the games on paper, lets just see how it goes.

11/8/2005 1:06:12 PM

Big East has what 16 teams, so there bottom tier finishes 14,15,16 in a league

we have 12 and even a team like miami, picked to finish last a year ago played good ball

11/8/2005 1:10:46 PM

i agree with nym that on paper from top to bottom the big least looks better this year. being an ACC homer, I will wait for the season to play out a little bit before i draw any final conclusions

11/8/2005 1:15:11 PM

Keep in mind that their bottom tier had a winning record against the ACC LAST YEAR (providence, st. johns, etc)... I was just trying to get a reaction earlier in this thread but for real, the Big East is a better conference this year simply because of the losses the ACC incurred player wise after last year...

11/8/2005 1:16:33 PM

Big east is probably better, but some of this is sheer quantity that is all i am saying, and it is a down year for the ACC

11/8/2005 1:18:38 PM

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""They will talk about Louisville and Syracuse and Connecticut ... but what's going to happen to the [Big East] teams that are unable to compete?" said Leitao, who steered DePaul the past three seasons. "You can't say great things about South Florida in relationship to the Big East being the greatest league in the country. But the ACC, you can't tell me one of its 12 teams can't, in any given year, leapfrog and be in the top four or five teams in the league. That's the difference.""

So Leitao thinks UVA, Clemson, or FSU could be in the top four or five in the ACC this year...

hmm...

11/8/2005 1:22:49 PM

if it exists below the mason-dixon line, it sucks.

-NyM410

11/8/2005 1:43:12 PM

ahah.. not at all. I like this area (triangle) a lot. I mean I am moving back north soon but this area was great to live in for college...

I just don't see how the ACC stacks up head to head at all this year with the Big East. Just my opinion..

11/8/2005 1:44:57 PM

Maybe not this year, but any given year...who knows? I could see one of those jumping to fifth. It wasn't too long ago that some of the those clubs were middle of the road.

Oh, and I love Coach K's crack on the Big East:

""I don't see how you can have a league and not play somebody in your league," Krzyzewski said."

11/8/2005 1:45:20 PM

Sincerely,

ACC, SEC, Big 10, and Big 12 football.

[Edited on November 8, 2005 at 1:46 PM. Reason : f]

11/8/2005 1:46:20 PM

On paper, it's the Big East.

I'm used to seeing so much marquee talent in the ACC, that when so many key players from several teams leave, it's easy to say that they are going to struggle.

So until the ACC proves me wrong, I have to give the Big East the benefit of the doubt.

But in all seriousness, somone needs to switch the Big10-ACC challenge to the Big East-ACC challenge. We all pretty much know the winner will have exclusive bragging rights along the east coast until the following year.

11/8/2005 2:07:33 PM

They used to have it. The rumor was that Coach K and Coach Smith wanted out of it at the time because it added one more very hard OOC game they didn't want and only could hurt national recruiting.

I don't know if that was true or not but that was the rumor...

11/8/2005 2:12:59 PM

Sounds legitimate. I mean c'mon, bragging rights on the East Coast? It'd give the conference a miniscule edge over the other.

11/8/2005 2:14:29 PM

ACC has better teams

Big East has more good teams than bad ones

They are both good conferences

11/8/2005 3:37:33 PM

ACC

Top 10 teams: 1
Top 25 teams: 4

Big East

Top 10 teams: 3
Top 25 teams: 5

I fail to see how ACC has better teams at the top? But this is really pointless to argue I guess right now anyway. We'll see how it plays out once again..

V um why? Big East has 2; ACC 1

[Edited on November 8, 2005 at 3:43 PM. Reason : f]

11/8/2005 3:39:51 PM

do it by top 5

do it

11/8/2005 3:42:54 PM

I think the argument can be made that the ACC is better than the big East because the bottom of the big East is quite a bit worse than the bottom of the ACC. Sure, the Big East has more teams in the top 25 preseason, but what about the other teams?

Maybe the ACC has more teams that have the potential to jump up into that top 25.

I'd say its close, with a slight edge given to the Big East right now.

11/8/2005 3:44:19 PM

i was jk

i havent even looked at the preseason rankings

11/8/2005 3:47:04 PM

ACC top 25 : 4/12 teams

Big East top 25 : 5/16 teams


4/12 = .333 of teams in ACC in top 25

5/16 = .3125 of teams in Big East in top 25

11/8/2005 4:28:31 PM

^We also just barely missed out of Top 25. The ACC had 7/12 recieve votes. The Big East only 6/16.

Looking at actual votes:
ACC 767 484 190 167 76 16 6 = 1706 / 12 = 142
BE 692 644 536 265 210 10 = 2357 / 16 = 147

So, maybe the BE is a little stronger, but it's not significant. The BE does clearly have stronger top tier teams, no question, but I think the middle & lower tier of the ACC is clearly stronger than the BE.

11/8/2005 4:49:18 PM

big east is better as far as preseason is concearned but as the season progresses acc teams will emerge and make it closer but the big east will still appear better because they have 4 extra bottom feeders to beat up on

11/8/2005 5:38:47 PM

i see the 16 team BE bball conference breaking up. some of the smaller schools that are non-fball contributing will break away. too tough to compete when you've got giants like UConn, Syracuse, Louisville, Cincinnati, and Pitt at the top, plus a competitive ND team.

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11/8/2005 7:40:11 PM

^playing those teams will raise the view of the program by recruits. more players will want to play for those schools now that they are in the big east with the exposure of playing uconns cuses and pitts

11/8/2005 8:24:01 PM

The Big East will be strong at first... but there's not enough wins for everyone to have their typical great record


In a few years.... after they all start knocking each other off and recruiting hurts... it will marginalize just like the ACC.


Cincinatti will become Virginia... you watch.

That's just the way it works. There's not enough wins for everyone to have winning records.

11/8/2005 8:27:52 PM

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"more players will want to play for those schools now"

'cause FSU and Clemson pull the best recruits every year.

11/8/2005 8:34:38 PM

FSU actually does


They had the #1 class 3 years ago.... and have been in the top 10-15 since what's his face got there


Clemson... no

FSU actually recruits like hell somehow

11/8/2005 8:38:10 PM

Hamilton's done some good work, I'll admit.

11/8/2005 8:45:20 PM

Done some good recruiting work... his team still sucks baws though




Eh, in fairness they've gotten better... but he's still wasted some talent.

[Edited on November 8, 2005 at 9:43 PM. Reason : sdfs]

11/8/2005 9:42:50 PM