and the republicans have to split between slightly to the right moderates and very conservative what will the party names and policies be?

7/19/2005 10:24:11 PM

the mutt party

and the

jeff party

7/19/2005 10:35:14 PM

United States of Canada vs. Jesusland

7/19/2005 10:39:26 PM

fuckin the minorities party

vs

fucking the heathens party

7/19/2005 10:42:20 PM

I think we have a better chance of the liberatarians becoming a viable political force than liberalism "dying out"

7/19/2005 10:42:42 PM

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"fuckin the minorities party vs fucking the heathens party"

then the new moderates will cry "why can't we fuck the minorities and the heathens??!?!"

7/19/2005 10:45:27 PM

AHAHAHAAHHAAAAHAA...Supplanter you so funny!


Once Bush and the republicans are pilloried for the crimes and scandals they've been involved in, they'll be out of power for the next 20-25 years. Just like the repugnicans of the Nixon era.

[Edited on July 19, 2005 at 10:51 PM. Reason : redundancy ]

7/19/2005 10:50:04 PM

Barring sweeping Democratic victories in '06 and '08 (I'm looking at you, oval office), I'd say this is pretty much accurate:

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"Kris: I think we have a better chance of the liberatarians becoming a viable political force than liberalism "dying out""

Of course, the libs have the same unfortunate problems that the other two parties have. Namely that it's usually the screamin' demon types that get all the press.

7/20/2005 12:17:49 AM

but because in the Libertarian party, it's the screamin' demon types who actually are the card-carrying members and who totally run the show, which is a real shame.

people like me are like "ehh, i like the premise of libertarianisn, but you Libertarians are fucking crazy, and totally ideological rather than pragmatic. i know you're not going to get elected to shit, so i'm just gonna have to stick with the GOP unless i really, really don't like their candidate.

then i'll vote Lib.

7/20/2005 12:23:13 AM

I think all parties probably start off that way. Once their message reaches mass audiences in a persistent enough manner, both parties are in trouble.

All that libertarianism is missing really is good marketing. I think their message sells itself well enough to reasonable people, but the nutjobs go and ruin it for everyone.

7/20/2005 12:28:10 AM

7/20/2005 12:33:19 AM

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"All that libertarianism is missing really is good marketing. I think their message sells itself well enough to reasonable people, but the nutjobs go and ruin it for everyone."

Very true. Almost every person I talk to that doesn't follow politics at all is quite Libertarian but don't even know that such a thing exists. We just need some potent Kool-Aid and we could possibly get some decent leadership in there to create some competition for the crap we have now.

7/20/2005 12:36:46 AM

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"I think all parties probably start off that way. Once their message reaches mass audiences in a persistent enough manner, both parties are in trouble. All that libertarianism is missing really is good marketing. I think their message sells itself well enough to reasonable people, but the nutjobs go and ruin it for everyone. "

i don't know how much "trouble" the Democrats and Republicans will ever face from the Libertarian Party, but the Libertarian Party will never have to become the 3rd major political party for it to be a win in my book. I'll be satisfied if they just get popular enough to force both the Democrats and Republicans in a more libertarian direction.

for example, Ross Perot (i know he wasn't Libertarian) was never a contender for the Presidency, but I guarantee that if he'd pulled a Nader and decided to run every four years, and kept achieving even the modest (compared to the Dem and GOP candidates) level of success he did in 1992, the GOP would be a different party right now, without Perot ever having been elected to so much as the school board. the only problem in that scenario is that the Democrats might become truly bat-shit crazy if the GOP suffered more from a continual "Perot-Effect" than they did.


and yeah, i think the message of libertarianism (vice Libertarianism) sells itself exceptionally well to the vast majority of reasonable people.

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"Almost every person I talk to that doesn't follow politics at all is quite Libertarian but don't even know that such a thing exists."

i've definitely noticed the exact same thing.

What's a shame is that the GOP still gets by on that message, even though no Republican President since Reagan has given so much as lip service to the idea of gov't being a necessary evil that should be as limited as practical. i've heard plenty of Republicans say "i vote Republican b/c i don't like the gov't running my life."

i think that maybe people are finally starting to notice that both of our major parties right now are failing the "stay the hell out of my business" test. i mean, Kerry was handily defeated in the last election by a man with an approval rating in the basement.

[Edited on July 20, 2005 at 12:52 AM. Reason : asdf]

7/20/2005 12:46:51 AM

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"Once Bush and the republicans are pilloried for the crimes and scandals they've been involved in, they'll be out of power for the next 20-25 years. Just like the repugnicans of the Nixon era."

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but weren't republican presidents in office for 16 of the 20 years following Watergate?

7/20/2005 10:11:55 AM

that is correct...ford finished it out, then came carter (dem) and then reagan -> bush was after that.

7/20/2005 10:17:54 AM

Well yeah, the "Maybe I'm remembering wrong" part was sarcasm.

7/20/2005 10:19:35 AM

7/20/2005 10:20:35 AM

the problem with progressing the Libertarian party is that we, as a collective society, are tought to side with black or white (Dem or Repub) by every media outlet alive. We're pretty much trained to believe that those fucks are the only viable tickets.

God I hate this place sometimes.

7/20/2005 10:53:29 AM

Yeah, but marketing can fix that. Granted, it'd take a _lot_ of good marketing, but it can be done. Republicans and Democrats are just the entrenched competitors, which makes it difficult.

If the libertarians could become a viable enough political force to shift the parties in their direction as theDuke866 said, I'd be satisfied.

7/20/2005 10:57:24 AM

definitely

we need pop stars

BIG ONES

7/20/2005 11:00:49 AM

I sincerely doubt pop stars would help. What they really need is a PAC that can air ads slamming Democrats and Republicans whenever they fuck up. They could have a lot of success as a sort of "political watchdog" or check on the major parties.

7/20/2005 11:06:33 AM

MY GOD MAN I'M KIDDING

7/20/2005 11:07:48 AM

They'll be replaced with the Whigs or the Tories.

7/20/2005 11:21:28 AM

We could boost interest in politics by changing one group to "Ass" and the other to "Titties"

C-Span would become hugely popular.

7/20/2005 11:24:07 AM

The ass party only produces shitty arguments while the titty party wants to take away milk at school lunch counters!

7/20/2005 11:27:24 AM

Liberitarians will never have a viable political party because their idealogy goes agianst politics. Their means would be better served through a violent revolution than actually trying to put canidates in office.

7/20/2005 12:24:36 PM

^ I'm free this weekend if you want to try to squeeze in some violent revolution. I promised that I would help a friend move, but that shouldn't take all day.

7/20/2005 12:39:08 PM

The Prohibition Party will have a shot at winning ANY election before the current Libertarian Party gets a viable Presidential candidate.

7/20/2005 12:47:46 PM

The Libertarian party won't get anywhere if they start off focusing on national elections. Starting local would benefit them hugely.

7/20/2005 12:54:16 PM

Local governments actually have to do stuff. Removing government in that area would push it back to dirt roads with people pulling wagons with square wheels.

7/20/2005 12:57:55 PM

^^ what he said. local elections are prime for Liberatarians to gain momentum.

Ross Perot's flip flopping back in the day, made 3rd party presidential candiate viability infinitely difficult

[Edited on July 20, 2005 at 12:59 PM. Reason : asdfsdfasfd]

7/20/2005 12:58:50 PM

^^ That's why you don't put the nutjob, big "L" libertarians out there.

7/20/2005 1:03:32 PM

Dems will be running the House in '06. Time to clean up Washington and put the adults in charge.

9/29/2005 9:15:06 AM

wasnt bush supposed to lose in 04

9/29/2005 9:55:37 AM

wasn't bush supposed to lose in `00

9/29/2005 10:01:43 AM

wasnt state supposd to beat carolina in raleigh

9/29/2005 10:03:33 AM

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"The Libertarian party won't get anywhere if they start off focusing on national elections. Starting local would benefit them hugely."

So true G-Cat, our party has a great message: Liberty...both socially and financially. But I think it will play better on a grass-roots level. Whenever I explain libertarian principles to people, they can't understand why the party isn't more successful.

Or perhaps they're just agreeing with me to get rid of me...

9/29/2005 11:22:16 AM

Are you related to Dirt McGirt aka Dirt Dogg?

9/29/2005 12:09:01 PM

Im sure one of them will be called "INGSOC"

9/29/2005 12:58:01 PM

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"wasn't didn't bush supposed to lose in `00"

9/29/2005 1:34:37 PM

no he won in '00 and '04

thats why he is president

al gore and john kerry lost

SERIOUSLY

9/29/2005 1:37:01 PM

when the Democratic Party dies out? That's pretty much already happened.

9/29/2005 3:16:13 PM

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"pryderi: Dems will be running the House in '06. Time to clean up Washington and put the adults in charge."

Your timing is excellent...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9505859/

The Virginia governor's race will be an early bellwether of '06. At this point I expect the GOP will hold the House by a sizeable margin and gain 1 to 3 seats in the Senate...

9/29/2005 4:05:06 PM

It is getting harder and harder for me to support the republican party. Libertarianism is what I truly beleive in. I'm glad to hear that so many of you feel strongly enough about this issue to "bash" the GOP.

9/29/2005 4:16:41 PM

does the libertarian party have any kind of moral base?

9/29/2005 4:33:54 PM

Yes.

The moral that says "mind your own fucking business."

9/29/2005 4:34:47 PM

how do they feel about issues like homeland security, the war on terror, and protecting our values?

9/29/2005 4:38:01 PM

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"United States of Canada vs. Jesusland"

9/29/2005 4:39:51 PM

http://www.google.com

9/29/2005 4:47:31 PM

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"The Virginia governor's race will be an early bellwether of '06. At this point I expect the GOP will hold the House by a sizeable margin and gain 1 to 3 seats in the Senate... "

I agree on the House thing. I think so in the Senate too - what seats do you see as being Republican pickups?

I think Santorum will run a close race but lose to the pro life Democrat Casey. I think probably a Democrat will keep Sarbanes' seat in Maryland.

Dayton of Minnesota will definitely turn over to a Republican.

Byrd of West Virginia is also in jeopardy, and I would not be surprised in the following election if Rockefeller of West Virginia is also out.

9/29/2005 5:46:23 PM