^^ lol

Page 91, moving along nicely!

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2/10/2009 6:03:13 PM

I still don't see why everyone is so excited for these recruits.

He's had three years with Costner, McCauley, and Fells. With the exception of the last couple of games for Fells, none of them have shown any progress since their freshman year.

These kids better be world beaters coming out of high school, because otherwise we're fucked.

2/10/2009 6:19:57 PM

who's showing the Wake game?

2/10/2009 6:24:16 PM

Quote :

"Criticizing and talking shit will not hurt our program in the least bit because it happens everywhere else."

I've been attacked before for making that claim, but you can't deny that if a recruit was considering several schools, including the wolfpack, there's no reason why they wouldn't be cruising their message boards. And seeing "Sidney Lowe credibility watch" at the top, with a bunch of over-the-top criticism (i.e. shit-talking) could play a deciding factor in them eliminating NCSU from their list. Sure, it's on other school's message boards too, but that doesn't mean YOU (whoever you are) should do it. (you know, the whole "if they jumped off a building..."). Maybe the one day they decide to look, the shit-talking is at the bottom of the other school's board and they don't see it, yet it's the first thing they see on tww. BC has come out several times addressing "stupid internet rumors". You don't think that has an impact on his psyche?

Really, what's the point of the over-the-top shit talking? Will any good come of it? Absolutely not (except excite the poster, get them some attention they crave, etc, but nothing good for the team). Could all the shit-talking possibly, possibly have a negative effect on the team. Yeah, it's definitely possible. So what's the point?

2/10/2009 6:45:34 PM

^

1) You're not going to be able to stop it. Honestly, the only thing that might even slow it down is not responding to it. I hate to say you're making it worse, but this thread would only be around 20-30 pages if nobody was arguing against it.

2) Did you really bring up the jump off a bridge comment? You know what's going to hurt our chance of getting a recruit more than criticizing our coach on the internet?? Actually sucking as a basketball team. Guess how you could kill those two birds?? Win more games and coach better. There are a million things that could hurt us getting a recruit. I would hope that if a recruit brought up something like an internet thread to a coach (maybe our coach, his HS coach, AAU coach) or parent, that they could accurately explain it to him. And they can go to any college message board after a loss and see a really bad thread criticizing a coach.

3) It's not all "talking shit." Most of it is "criticism". Big difference. "Talking shit" makes it sound a lot worse.

2/10/2009 6:54:30 PM

My favorite thing about Herb is how every year we'd lose at least one game to a horrible team that we had no business losing to.

Has that happened to us this season?

2/10/2009 7:07:40 PM

Quote :

"You know what's going to hurt our chance of getting a recruit more than criticizing our coach on the internet?? Actually sucking as a basketball team. Guess how you could kill those two birds?? Win more games and coach better."

I completely agree with you there, without a doubt. But posters on this board have absolutely no control over that. Saying "we suck" or "sid sucks" will not make the players play better, nor make sidney a better coach. However, posters do have control over shit-talking and bringing a bunch of unnecessary negativity on the board.

Quote :

"I would hope that if a recruit brought up something like an internet thread to a coach (maybe our coach, his HS coach, AAU coach) or parent, that they could accurately explain it to him. And they can go to any college message board after a loss and see a really bad thread criticizing a coach."

I also agree with this point, but we seem to be losing quite often, and therefore it's been a constant on this board.

Quote :

"It's not all "talking shit." Most of it is "criticism". Big difference. "Talking shit" makes it sound a lot worse."

Yeah, I know, and I wasn't necessarily talking to you. Criticism, to a certain degree, is fine. Nobody is happy with this team's overall performance as-of-yet, and nobody is saying that Sid is a great coach. I'm mainly talking about the douches who come on here and repeat the same negative shit over and over for reasons i can't comprehend. I hate to use the word, but it seems the only reason is "trolling", looking for a place to bitch and complain and find people who will argue with them.

None of it will amount to any good, but it could possibly hurt the team. Possibly. That's all I'm saying.

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 7:11 PM. Reason : ]

2/10/2009 7:08:41 PM

Quote :

"My favorite thing about Herb is how every year we'd lose at least one game to a horrible team that we had no business losing to. Has that happened to us this season?"

WE ARE THAT HORRIBLE TEAM THIS YEAR. Kind of hard to lose games to horrible teams when nobody is worse than you are.

2/10/2009 7:19:51 PM

is the Wake game on TV anywhere?

2/10/2009 7:24:23 PM

http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=wake+forest+basketball+schedule

2/10/2009 7:28:57 PM

This has nothing to do with Lowe, but I figured I'd post anyways. Hansblow said the crazies are organized, but we are meaner. I guess that is something to be proud of

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/hansbrough-cameron-is-special

2/10/2009 10:06:34 PM

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/undescribeable

2/10/2009 10:16:12 PM

WE ARE MEAN!

2/10/2009 10:28:02 PM

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"^^I hate to keep repeating myself, but i feel like i need to remind people that it took herb SIX years to make the tournament for the first time. Plenty of time to get the recruits he needed to run his system. Not three. Not four. Six! And even after he started making the tournmanet, he quickly plateued. And Herb's offense was just plain boring. Remember? Were you there?"

And I hate to keep telling you that Herb and Sid cannot be compared in the time of their hires. Its not the same.

And btw our new offense isn't exactly rolling under Sid.....I know I know let him get his players blah blah. Sid has got to improve next year. The team will be practically all his.

2/11/2009 1:15:52 AM

Quote :

"Sid has got to improve next year. The team will be practically all his."

Agreed 1000%

So give him until next year

My theory is give a new college basketball coach:

- 3 years to establish his recruiting ties, system, coaching philosophy etc, make his mark on the program
- 4th year you get your first real idea of what this coaches program will be, start evaluating
- 5th year you know by the end whether or not this coach is the one to fire or extend his contract

2/11/2009 1:52:26 AM

I agree 100% that is why this thread is completely premature. Even if bullet is not right why risk it just to sound cool and cynical.

[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 9:58 AM. Reason : adfasdf]

2/11/2009 9:58:06 AM

Quote :

"My favorite thing about Herb is how every year we'd lose at least one game to a horrible team that we had no business losing to. Has that happened to us this season?"

Good point. Our expectations are so low now, every win is an over achievement.

2/11/2009 10:06:14 AM

Sidney Lowe's lack of credibility is keeping a highly ranked Wake Forest team off TV

2/11/2009 10:10:40 AM

^^
we had 2 of those last year so we're good for this year

2/11/2009 10:39:20 AM

^ LOL yeah I don't remember losing to anyone like UNO under Herb.

2/11/2009 10:54:28 AM

^go to gopack and look at some of the teams we lost to under herb. i don't have time to compile them all, but there's providence and princeton (twice), massachutes, california, iowa (42-45!), 7-straight ACC losses in 00-01, and 6 straight in 96-96...

i also saw that on gopack on many of the seasons they have our ranking and our opponents ranking at the time of the game.

[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM. Reason : ]

2/11/2009 11:10:43 AM

^Just give Sid some time and he's capable of rewriting the record books. Back to back last place finishes in the ACC is not out of reach yet.

2/11/2009 11:15:21 AM

by the way, today on ESPN is a college basketball feature with the caption

"Will teams searching for a coach find a success like Tony Bennett or a struggle like Sidney Lowe? Recent history can show what's in store for schools on the market."

2/11/2009 11:22:29 AM

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"iowa (42-45!)"

easily the worst and most frustrating basketball game i have ever watched in my life

2/11/2009 11:25:22 AM

^^And some on here say it is this thread that makes our school look bad. Turns out its our coach that makes our school look bad.

[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 11:27 AM. Reason : ^]

2/11/2009 11:26:48 AM

^it's both.

2/11/2009 11:30:35 AM

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"Turns out its our coachESPN that makes our schoolcoach look bad."

2/11/2009 11:31:24 AM

i'll give state fans one thing,we sure are a rabid bunch of passionate fans.

which turns out to be both awesome and bad...but i think mainly awesome

2/11/2009 11:32:46 AM

lol the espn conspiracy

2/11/2009 11:32:59 AM

Really wish I had something to do at work, but since I don't...

Look, State's Bball team is flat out BAD right now. I think we can all agree on that. In fact most of you, critics or supporters, agree Lowe should stick around at least thru next year. So let's move past that point.

To men the bost glaring omission by Lowe critics is the simple fact that State honstly is not underachieving this year. State isn't a good team. They have some talented players, yes, but that isn't enough.

The biggest reason is that State simply doesn't have a leader. You can point to virtually every other tean in the ACC and point one or two players that more or less "run the team." UNC has Hansbrough, Duke has Henderson, Wake has Teague, Miami has McClinton, FSU has Toney Douglas, and so on and so forth. You honestly can't understate how important having a leader is to a team.

I wish I'd made my preseason prediction for bball public, b/c then it'd be more credible to say that I EXPECTED State to struggle this year. Honestly I had us winning 6 games in the ACC, hoping we'd do better but knowing we could do worse. And I thought we'd do worse primarily b/c I knew State didn't have the personnel to thrive in the ACC. They don't.

And I think saying that our players have "not gotten any better since Lowe arrived" is a gross exaggeration. Fells is a much better shooter than he was 4 years ago. Lowe has played to that strength by having him take more jumpshots instead of driving to the hoop. Costner, as good as he is, needs a setup man. State's lack of a penetrating guard has much more to do with Costner's "lack of development" than anything else. McCauley also has been pretty much required to play center. That means going up against the biggest guy on the other team. Please recall that Ben was NOT recruited to be a "big man." He was asked to put on weight and play center out of necessity. Ben has struggled at times mainly b/c he's simply overmatched.

Now, having said that, I'll concede that Lowe MIGHT be doing his team a disservice with constant rotation shuffles and I'm very concerned about his inability to get his team to put forth a consistent effort. THESE issues definitely bother me. A lot.

However, next season we're going get a much better idea of where the SOURCE of the problem truly lies. If the problems lie with Lowe's coaching and his inability to grasp the college game, State will continue to be terrible. If the problem lies with the PG depth, team leadership, and "not having the right parts for Lowe's system," then State will be better next year. Not much better, but better.

Thing is, State next year will have talented but young players at PG and have only Tracy Smith at center. The more the incoming class can. Contribute right away, the better.

My prediction for next year is that State goes 8-8 in the ACC. Anything less than that should warrant a LOT of scrutiny. 6 wins or less should warrant getting fired, baring very special circumstances. If Costner leaves, however, I could accept even less.

IMHO, year five is where Lowe's team will really start to take off. By then we'll have junior Mays, sophomores Lo Brown and Scott Wood, and a freshmen Harrow which should be 4* or better when he arrives running the point. State will also have a senior PF Smith, who should be much more solid by then (particularly in ball handling and FT shooting). Thomas and Williams will be solid swing men and SF's. Add in freshmen 5* recruit CJ Leslie too.

When you add it all up, that's a damned exciting team to watch. The big man void is an obvious concern, but Lowe has time to address it between now and then. This future is what I'm looking forward to.

I'm not looking for dramatic improvement right now, b/c honestly I don't think that4 reasonable given the current roster. If State continues to struggle even with Lowe's recruits running the show, however, I will gadly join the ranks of the Lowe haters.


Until then, I humbly suggest that all of you haters should accept the situation for what it is. Give optimsim a chance, and stock up on some good booze. It's going to be a long road to 2010....

2/11/2009 11:36:07 AM

^^ like the time Hodge's nuts punched Chris Paul's hand

2/11/2009 11:36:39 AM

Our team has more talent than many other teams in the ACC, I don't know why people keep acting like we're some kind of expansion team made of JuCo and transferred D2 players.

We don't stack up to UNC, Duke, Wake, etc. But if you stack our players up against much of the ACC we should be much better than we are.

2/11/2009 11:47:37 AM

^That sounds like a fun exercise.

When you say "talent", how are you judging that?

For shits and giggles, who wants to make all-acc first, second, and third teams? How many Wolfpack players would be on those teams? As for me, I'd have to really think about it, but I Costner, and possibly, possibly Fells may be on the 3rd team. Maybe.

2/11/2009 11:51:48 AM

^Costner might sneak up to second but I think it is a stretch and I don't think fells or Mccauley would make any of the teams.

2/11/2009 12:09:01 PM

^^That argument cuts both ways. You could argue that if we had a better coach, the team would play better, we'd have more wins, and our players would 'seem' to be more talented.

2/11/2009 12:13:53 PM

^not really.

you think that if we were winning more games or had a better coach you'd choose ben or courntey as one of the top 3 or 4 or even 5 best players at their position in the acc?

And the big 3 (cf,bd,bm) are the only ones you could even consider. No one else on the whole team would not be close to being in the top half of the acc. Who was coaching wouldn't make any difference (except maybe if Smith got some more playing time, he might be in the top half, maybe)

2/11/2009 12:23:38 PM

Well there's two underlying arguments:

Argument 1: Next year will be an Sidney team with awesome recruits and we'll really start building a program.

Argument 2: Sidney had three years to develop Costner, Fells, and Horner and none of them have improved in the slightest bit.

I think supporters of argument 1 need to stop drinking the kool aid and come to grips with the fact that we very well maybe much worse next year because of the fact Sidney can't develop talent.
The hallmark of a good coach, and Stein has pointed this out to no avail quite a bit, is being able to maximize what you have.

Can you guys honestly argue that our players are so bad as to be impervious to improvement? Especially after they manage to hang with or play better then every team they come up against for at least a half?

2/11/2009 12:34:47 PM

i'll bite. courntey, ben, brandon and horner have all improved since their freshman year.

Quote :

"I think supporters of argument 1 need to stop drinking the kool aid and come to grips with the fact that we very well maybe much worse next year because of the fact Sidney can't develop talent."

Why do you think this? What's wrong with being optimisitic? I've aked this multiple times but haven't gotten a real answer yet. What's the point of being pessimistic and talking shit on the internet? What's it going to accomplish? Why do you feel the need to tell people who are hoping that we're going to really start building a program next year with our "awesome" recruits that they need to "quit drinking the kool-aid"?

Do you think Sidney should be fired after this season, lose the solid recruits we have for the next two seasons, and be even worse?

If you don't think this, then again i ask you, why do you get on tww and talk about how bad our basketball team and sid are? Why? What's your MO?

[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM. Reason : ]

2/11/2009 12:49:37 PM

While Courtney hasn't developed how everyone wants him to (into the star he probably could have become) he is closer now than he was last year, and closer than his sophomore year. Brandon Costner is slowing learning how to not be a punk and get effort at both ends of the court. Horner grew a pair, while he isn't a top level talent, he isn't afraid to play like one sometimes.

You can focus on those with very minor improvements or you can not ignore those who have improved. How about Tracy Smith? Last year he showed big strides. He polished his offensive game, and was a decent FT shooter for a big last year. He hasn't shot as well from the FT line this year, but learned how to attack the glass. His defense still needs work, but he's getting better.

How about Javi? He was absolutely terrible when he first hit the court. He steadily started learning how to play the damn game and now he's only slightly below your average 3rd string PG in the ACC. Is he an all-star? No. Did he ever have the potential to be one? No. But has Lowe made him better? Yes.

Degand has improved. Over the last several games he's played in, we've played some pretty good teams (BC, Duke, UNC, Miami etc.) and he's played well. He hasn't been able to showcase the speed we'd heard about (because of his injury and that very few people are ready to run on this team), but he's been more than serviceable when he listens to Lowe and doesn't blow the end game play. His assists are going up and his turnovers are going down. He also happens to usually take his shots in the flow of the offense and shoots well from the field and from three because of this. Is he an all-star? No. Is he becoming a solid PG that could maybe see time on the court at other schools? Yes, maybe not start at most schools, but he could see 2nd string minutes at other schools. Has Lowe made him better? Yes.

2/11/2009 1:03:27 PM

who develops our big men? harris?
maybe sid just cant develop point guards

ben wallace when he was in detroit thanked sidney for his development (as a big man obviously)

so the piston's staff put sidney in charge of focusing on a big man, maybe sid was never mentored on developing pg's and just cause he played doesn't mean he can teach it without guidance

2/11/2009 1:20:08 PM

^or maybe sid just hasn't been given much talent to develop at pg.

I mean, come on, javi, farnold, and marques? Do you really think any other coach would have them playing much better than they are now? I expect to see Mays develop. In fact, he's already developed quite a bit since the exhibition games. He seems to have more talent/higher ceiling than all the other point guards sid has

2/11/2009 1:29:25 PM

Quote :

"so the piston's staff put sidney in charge of focusing on a big man, maybe sid was never mentored on developing pg's and just cause he played doesn't mean he can teach it without guidance"

Sometimes it is hard for somebody to teach something that just made sense to them. Maybe Sidney just understood PG so well that he has a hard time relating it to someone who has come out of high school. Maybe he can get better. Or maybe he just needs the right student. Who knows.

2/11/2009 1:43:19 PM

Quote :

"^go to gopack and look at some of the teams we lost to under herb. i don't have time to compile them all, but there's providence and princeton (twice), massachutes, california, iowa (42-45!), 7-straight ACC losses in 00-01, and 6 straight in 96-96..."

Providence is a Big East team and was a regular in the NCAAs in the 1990s.

Cal was in the NCAA tournament and we beat them in Herb's last year.

Iowa won the fucking Big 10 that year.

UMass is a A-10 power. None of these compare to ECU or New fucking Orleans.

But I guess Herb was squandering McDs AA talents too right? I mean hell those first five years he had Danny Strong and Jeremy Hyatt and couldn't finish in the top 6 in the ACC.

Quote :

"He seems to have more talent/higher ceiling than all the other point guards sid has"

And yet we are playing fuckups like Javi 36 minutes.....

[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 1:50 PM. Reason : Mays should start, we aren't going to win so develop him since he has a chance]

2/11/2009 1:49:44 PM

Quote :

"How about Javi? He was absolutely terrible when he first hit the court. He steadily started learning how to play the damn game and now he's only slightly below your average 3rd string PG in the ACC. Is he an all-star? No. Did he ever have the potential to be one? No. But has Lowe made him better? Yes."

Sidney Lowe: Coaching up practice squad all-stars since 2006.

Honestly, the lengths you guys go to defend a guy who is a combined 11-28 in conference games is ridiculous. Is it that hard to just admit that he's probably not a very good coach?

2/11/2009 1:49:57 PM

http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/838282.html

After year one he looked like a savior, keeping the Pack out of last place and giving fans a memorable ride in the ACC and NIT Tournaments. He took a handful of scholarship players and won 20 games as the Pack became ruthlessly efficient on offense and a healthy Engin Atsur spurred its late season success, raising expectations in the process.

But if his first season was a success, his second season was an unmitigated disaster. Working with improved depth, including one of the best big men in the country in the form of freshman J.J. Hickson, Lowe's team actually played worse. The lack of good guard play in a guard-dominated sport was a big factor, but the Pack managed to start the ACC season 4-4 before spiraling out of control and dropping its final nine games on its way to a last-place finish.

Now the Pack seems to be on a collision course with another sub-par season. After losing an 18-point lead and allowing Virginia Tech to steal a win from them this weekend, the Pack sits at 2-6 in conference play, and barring some miracle, will struggle to make the NIT this year.

Add it all up and we have nearly three seasons, a few good wins hidden by tons of losses and no answers. So instead of dwelling on the questions that we can’t answer yet, let’s try to figure out what we have learned about Sidney Lowe so far.

When he was hired no one was really sure how Lowe would do on the recruiting trail, but he has passed that test with flying colors. He landed Hickson and effective forward Tracy Smith in his first year as a college coach. He has a highly-regarded class coming in next year and is still in the mix for elite prospects John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins. He’s going to bring talent to NC State basketball.

However, one area where Lowe has not shown a lot of promise is player progression. Three of the Pack's current starters have been starters under Lowe for his entire tenure. Ben McCauley and Brandon Costner are almost identical players to the ones that stepped on the court three years ago for Lowe. Courtney Fells is the same enigma he's always been, fluctuating between non-existent and star on the court every few games. The only other player who has seen a lot of minutes in all three seasons is Dennis Horner, and he remains the same bench contributor he was his freshman season.

When they aren’t turning the ball over, Lowe’s teams have shown a remarkable efficiency on offense. They hit a high percentage of shots, especially inside the 3-point arc, and get to the line more than their opponents. He understands how to get his players shots and has drawn up several nice plays at the end of games, though they don’t always work out (the final possession of regulation against Tech being the perfect example). From an X's-and-O's standpoint, he has proven to be effective.

However, hasn’t shown a knack for maximizing his line-ups. It took him until late January to decide he needed to shorten his bench, a decision most coaches make before the turn of the calendar. Lowe makes questionable substitutions and can’t seem to find consistent roles for his bench players. He refused to put Hickson and McCauley on the floor at the same time last year, forcing his two fiercest competitors to fight against each other for time. There are plenty of excuses for how he’s handled substitution situations, but ultimately he’s made several sub-optimal decisions that likely cost the Pack on the scoreboard.

But the most important thing Lowe has shown is his ability to listen, learn and adjust. The Pack has improved its rebounding over last season and has shown some signs of better ball security, Sunday’s game notwithstanding. Lowe has tried to shorten his bench recently but academics and injuries haven’t cooperated. He started playing McCauley and Smith together more often, learning from last year’s Hickson debacle, even putting the both of them in the starting line-up. It will be his ability to adjust and adapt that will ultimately determine his fate as a head coach.

The learning has already paid off for this team, even if its hasn’t reflected in the win column like fans would prefer. The Pack has, somewhat incredibly, been leading or within single digits in the final eight minutes in eight of its nine losses. The team lost its two best players from last season and has, for the most part, improved. The improvement has yet to translate into more wins, but the team is much more competitive than it was last season.

What’s left is taking the next step, winning close games, and it’s hard to determine if more guard help or better coaching is what’s needed to solve that problem.

The next few weeks matter when it comes to the NC State program. Lowe needs a decent finish, an NIT berth... some positive momentum. Anything to show that Wolfpack basketball is moving forward, not backward, since his hiring as head of the program.

It’s important to remember that it’s not just Lowe’s third year at NC State, it’s his third year as a college coach. Lowe still has plenty of time to prove himself, but each year that passes without him showing any progress is another year that the rumbling of dissatisfaction in Raleigh grows louder.

2/11/2009 1:51:18 PM

Quick thinking and good decision making are quite difficult to teach if someone doesn't already have the capacity, that's true

Just look at Russell Wilson, he had the ability to judge things so quickly, never making a pass that was in danger of an INT and throwing it away when nothing was coming and the pressure was too much

I think to an extend you either have the ability or you don't, see Beck and Evans continuous poor decision-making on passes, because you know TOB was trying to coach them to play smarter but it's a struggle if you just don't have the lights on upstairs (Beck mainly)

2/11/2009 1:53:15 PM

Quote :

"i'll bite. courntey, ben, brandon and horner have all improved since their freshman year."

Dennis Horner has not improved. He has gotten worse. He was a solid 6th man his freshman year.

Fells is not near the player he could be and Ben and Brandon are not near the form they had 2 years ago.

2/11/2009 1:53:34 PM

Quote :

"Dennis Horner has not improved. He has gotten worse. He was a solid 6th man his freshman year."

Really? A solid 6th man? He averaged 4.5 points. Although he was shooting higher percentages then. Has he lost his shooting touch because of "Sid's inablitity to develop him"?

Quote :

"and Ben and Brandon are not near the form they had 2 years ago."

Really? not near the form from two years ago? Compare there stats from 2 years ago to this year and I think you'll find that they're very similar. How many double-doubles have they had this season?

And I have a feeling having Atsur feeding them instead of Farnold or Javi probably makes much more of difference than "Sid's inability to develop them".


[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM. Reason : ]

2/11/2009 2:10:41 PM

Quote :

"Honestly, the lengths you guys go to defend a guy who is a combined 11-28 in conference games is ridiculous. Is it that hard to just admit that he's probably not a very good coach?"

Honestly, the lengths you guys go to to bash a guy who is a combined 11-28 in converence games after playing half of his first season w/out his best guard, the next season w/out his desired point guard who tore his ACL, and has shown improvement in his 3rd year with questionmarks still at the PG position (mostly due to injury) although not much to show in W column is ridiculous. Is it that hard to just admit that its too early to judge him considering all factors as to why we're struggling, including roster, injuries, defections, and bad attitudes from players he didn't recruit?

(see I can play that game too, and no I'm not saying Lowe hasn't done anything wrong in his 3 seasons, but there are a lot of things working against him as well)

2/11/2009 2:16:51 PM

lol, you're the only one's playing a game. I don't have go to any lengths to tell you why an 11-28 record is crap, because it is crap. I'm not the one coming up with a laundry list of weak excuses as to why such a poor record somehow doesn't reflect poorly on the coach. The funniest part of this whole thing is after every win you guys are like "lol, see we were right!". When we try to point out what was wrong with the team in a win where we blew a huge lead and had to hang on to win the game in overtime, you guys call it nitpicking The sad fact is that as of right now, Sidney Lowe is exactly what his W-L record says he is, and no amount "nitpicking" on your part can justify that record as being anything other than unacceptable.

2/11/2009 2:31:42 PM