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"“He absolutely was in possession of a handgun,” Putney said. “There was no definitive visual evidence that he had a gun in his hand and that he pointed it at an officer. That I did not visually see in the video ... When [my officers] see a weapon and they see the marijuana they say ‘uh oh, this is a threat to the public.’”"

Smh. Such a sad world we live in.

9/25/2016 8:49:55 AM

First and foremost, what I posted earlier was just based off the body camera footage. I had not yet watched the dash camera video.

At face value, the dash cam video does not bode well for the officer or the department. It does show him walking backwards and then being shot. That being said, officers are still heard being said "drop the gun" and I believe I hear one officer yell "gun." Now this could be for one of two reason. The first, Scott still had the gun on him (in his right hand, down my his side? I can't tell and there isn't any visual evidence to suggest that, but there isn't any to totally rule it out). The second is these guys were in such vapor lock after first seeing the gun and getting some sort of resistance, they just never stopped saying it. Example of this can be found everywhere, even officers just standing there yelling "drop the gun" as they are getting shot at doing nothing about it.

There are just too many unanswered questions to say this shooting was good. If the gun was down by his side, did Scott say anything, like "I'm not going back" or "don't make me do this." If that was/were the case, who by his conduct or any other means indicates that he presents an imminent threat of death or serious physical injury to others unless apprehended without delay would apply, but we don't have any of that information if it exists.

The release or lack thereof is where this all gets fucked up. CMPD have only given us a piece of the entire puzzle, one that raises more questions then I think it answers. But its a double edged sword to release all your cards. Drop all the evidence and its not favorable to the officer and the public tries the case before the courts does. Drop all the evidence and its not favorable to the victim and you have become insensitive the public and the family. Drop only a part of the information and we all interpret things differently and we have a bigger mess.

tl;dr: Video does not look good, but it raises more questions than gives us answers.

And another thing, that Officer in Tulsa, she fucked up. And I honestly think its because we are raising a generation of pussies. If you tell some they are under arrest, detained, etc and they continue to walk away after pointing your gun, they called your bluff. Time to put your big boy/girl pants on and go hands on. Yes, you may get dirty, you may get punched, you may have to punch someone, he may just keep walking like Cain Marko down the highway with you on your back, but you signed up for this shit.

Its a training issue.

9/25/2016 9:09:04 AM

If they know he has a gun on him in the car, would they really have gone up to the passenger side and try to bash in the passenger side window with a baton? That doesn't seem like a smart move

9/25/2016 10:08:14 AM

Cops completely mishandled this situation (again). Just pepper spray the fuck out of this guy once he gets out of the car and it is clear he is not pointing a gun at you. Either way the probable cause here is questionable. So you see him rolling a blunt, decide not a big deal/ignore, then you see a gun which could be completely legal and it's Rambo time. Fuck that. Enjoy paying off this family Charlotte

9/25/2016 10:13:31 AM

It look like he is lifting his pantleg to show the gun, when he is on the ground with his arms underneath him you can hear the cop in red grab the gun, I think the gun might have been in the ankle holster

9/25/2016 10:18:46 AM

I was under the impression that if you pointed the gun at the cops then and only then were they allowed to shoot - at least in some videos in the past this is what I have seen.

9/25/2016 10:34:15 AM

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"So you see him rolling a blunt, decide not a big deal/ignore, then you see a gun which could be completely legal and it's Rambo time. "

Concealed handgun permit or not, possession of a firearm and marijuana is illegal. I'm not saying that's a good law, but it is federal law.

[Edited on September 25, 2016 at 10:36 AM. Reason : ^[NO]]

9/25/2016 10:35:14 AM

So he deserved to be killed?

[Edited on September 25, 2016 at 10:49 AM. Reason : They really should just put all the video in the cloud. ]

9/25/2016 10:49:28 AM

I never said that, asshole

I'm fucking tired of pieces of shit like you who think everyone has to pick a side in these situations. I think the cops and the dead guy could've both taken actions that would've kept everyone alive.

If anything, I'm pointing out how a stupid law does nothing but give the cops another reason to fuck with folks.

[Edited on September 25, 2016 at 11:19 AM. Reason : adsf]

9/25/2016 11:15:11 AM

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"I'm pointing out how a stupid law does nothing but give the cops another reason to fuck with folks"

Yeah I don't understand that one.

https://www.coloradopotguide.com/colorado-marijuana-blog/2016/january/20/mmj-patient-say-goodbye-to-your-right-to-bear-arms/

9/25/2016 11:25:24 AM

Yeah man. These things happen. No use in 'picking sides'

9/25/2016 11:25:49 AM

Look, dude, I think every incident of a cop firing his weapon should be investigated by an independent panel, not the department. I'm not ready to call for the cop's head or write the dead guy off as "deserving to die".

9/25/2016 11:33:33 AM

I mean I get what you're saying, but it's a fallacy to assume both parties share equal blame/responsibility in this case. The cops completely fucked up and now the dude is dead.

[Edited on September 25, 2016 at 11:43 AM. Reason : .]

9/25/2016 11:42:49 AM

you fuckes need to quit putting words in my mouth

i never said equal blame. i said that both parties could've done better. no doubt about that.

9/25/2016 11:44:49 AM

You literally said youre sick of people picking sides. Given the evidence, it's pretty fucking clear that many people are putting the cops on the 'wrong' side of this particular equation.

[Edited on September 25, 2016 at 12:03 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2016 12:02:43 PM

No, I said I'm tired of people "who think everyone has to pick a side". Folks assume that just because I'm not calling for the cop's head, then I think the dude deserved to die. It's not black and white like that.

9/25/2016 12:13:28 PM

Here in DC, the fact that most arrests for weed happened in predominately black communities despite pot being smoked all over the city was one of the main reasons the drug was made legal here. City leaders realized it was just a stupid law giving the police stupid reasons to arrest people.

9/25/2016 12:53:04 PM

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"it was just a stupid law giving the police stupid reasons to arrest people"

legalizing weed is a good start. we've got a long ways to go, though.

9/25/2016 12:55:26 PM

Cops should not be wasting their time with someone rolling a blunt. They are overworked and underpaid enough already. Time for a federal legalization on small amounts of weed and let police handle actual crime (i.e., stuff detrimental to society).

9/25/2016 1:06:41 PM

imagine if firefighters roamed around hosing down any potential fire hazard. such a waste of resources.

[Edited on September 25, 2016 at 1:15 PM. Reason : k]

9/25/2016 1:15:25 PM

If we put everything in the cloud there would be less fire hazards

9/25/2016 2:27:49 PM

just stream fire hoses from the cloud

9/25/2016 3:50:58 PM

put the weed in the cloud so you can get high using an app

9/25/2016 4:08:24 PM

^ always with the racist bullshit with you

It's getting old, partner

9/25/2016 4:42:13 PM

Agree with ^^, and the 4 posts leading up to it.

9/25/2016 8:08:49 PM

Video is questionable, but if a gun was in his hand any movement towards lifting it would be a reason for an office to pull the trigger.

Real life doesn't have bullet time, and if you wait for him to point the gun at you, you are probably going to get a few rounds headed your way before they go down.

Even with a gun someone with a knife can inflict lethal wounds within 20 feet.

9/25/2016 10:04:46 PM

you take that time to take cover and you don't leave cover in the first place until you're sure he doesn't have a gun.

9/25/2016 10:12:59 PM

i doubt that^ is what that officer was trained to do

9/25/2016 10:30:32 PM

^^ In other words, the officers acted like they had just reached a save point and re-upped on ammo, so an ambush was a good strategy.

[Edited on September 25, 2016 at 10:34 PM. Reason : carats]

9/25/2016 10:33:52 PM

they should have known something was about to go down from the music changing

9/25/2016 10:35:20 PM

When I used to play counter strike I liked to charge into the fray with only a knife and grenades.

9/25/2016 10:36:46 PM

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"i doubt that^ is what that officer was trained to do"

me neithr. thats why i'm beyond blaming individuals who are part of the system and more about changing the entire system.

-what police duties are
-how they are trained to deescalate as much as possible
-how they are observed and held accountable

9/25/2016 10:37:25 PM

Either way this goes, cops in the right or cops in the wrong, how is this latest issue about "Race"

9/26/2016 10:56:37 AM

Raleigh morning radio guy on 106.1 was making the statement that if we bring his brain injury into play in such a way that the cops shouldn't have shot him due to the injury, then there are two things to take into account:

1. If the brain injury was that bad, why was he allowed to carry a gun?

2. If the brain injury was that bad, why was he allowed to drive?

Not my points, and I don't have answers to the questions above, just thought I'd post them here.

9/26/2016 11:12:13 AM

^ is that from those idiots who come on before Glenn Beck?

9/26/2016 11:14:29 AM

are you trolling?

9/26/2016 11:15:22 AM

Heard this morning about a guy who shot a cop up here in VA yesterday. He was taken into custody uninjured.

http://wset.com/news/local/police-sheriffs-deputy-shot-in-floyd-county-non-life-threatening-injuries

9/26/2016 11:44:44 AM

"He returned fire"

He was only uninjured because home boy missed

9/26/2016 12:10:09 PM

Yeah but there were multiple other cops already on scene. Somehow they managed not to murder a guy who just shot their buddy.

9/26/2016 12:22:02 PM

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"He was only uninjured because home boy missed"

9/26/2016 12:29:14 PM

^^it wasn't for lack of trying

9/26/2016 12:42:31 PM

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" 1. If the brain injury was that bad, why was he allowed to carry a gun? "

who's said he legally was allowed to carry it? Wasn't he a convicted violent felon?

9/26/2016 12:43:56 PM

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"No, I said I'm tired of people "who think everyone has to pick a side"."

The two sides are narrative and fact.

One side hears the exaggerated victimhood narrative and treats it as fact because they are convinced everything is racist until proven not racist. These are the moron-type SJWs who can't be reasoned with.

The other side wants to know what actually happened, and becomes the de facto pro-cop victim blamer just by being neutral. That's how far these cases are skewed to the left by the media. If you question: there was no book, he was a felon with a gun, he resisted arrest, etc... You get the dumbass SJW strawman "So you're saying he deserved to be shot?!?!?" As long as this stupidity is perpetuated by SJWs and the politicians, expect more riots. It doesn't matter if the shootings are justified or not, it doesn't matter if the cop is black, all that matters is outrage.

9/26/2016 1:44:36 PM

I like how asking whether someone deserved to be shot is a "dumbass SJW strawman." I also like how you don't understand what a straw man is.

9/26/2016 2:06:31 PM

Also, you're a shitheel, and I hope you die painfully.

9/26/2016 2:07:21 PM

Nice one. That straw man example was actually used on this page.

Funny how the SJWs view relevant information as "victim blaming" when it threatens the narrative. Nobody deserves to get shot, but if you ignore the facts, what does that say about you? SJWs hate thinking something other than race (like personal decisions, God forbid) can result in victimization.

9/26/2016 7:10:15 PM

He's back at it with his argument logic

9/26/2016 7:14:23 PM

9/26/2016 7:28:38 PM

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"Why would you not believe that statement? What do the cops gain from lying about that? "

JCE logic - comply, comply, comply. Big brother knows what is best. If the police say there is nothing wrong then there must be nothing wrong.

9/26/2016 10:32:32 PM

9/26/2016 10:34:27 PM