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" It's a rabbit."

zing...best burn so far itt

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 9:36 AM. Reason : ,]

6/9/2015 9:35:52 AM

Lots of Colonel Frank Fitz's in this thread.

6/9/2015 10:25:07 AM

^lol

6/9/2015 10:40:47 AM

Fitts

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 11:16 AM. Reason : and I don't think we're talking about homosexuality ITT]

6/9/2015 11:15:45 AM

Sorry, I've never murdered anyone.

6/9/2015 12:28:46 PM

You're talking about something that has zero effect on you, yet causes your little micro aggression online here. I guess you live in fear of the degradation of society over shit like this or something.

6/9/2015 1:16:00 PM

Zero effect???? Lots of public policy, forms filled, taxes paid, bathrooms used (dead horse), sports leagues, health care, and other factors are determined by gender and/or sex. You're a fucking vapid cunt if you think the implications of blurring the male/female line doesn't affect everybody in the country. Enjoy your bubble, you twat.

Just wanted to see what internet rage felt like. I'm really not that mean IRL.

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2015 1:34:24 PM

I'm out. Enjoy your AM radio station rage there, buddy.

6/9/2015 1:35:43 PM

Chill...

Ok, minus all of the name calling and the condescending tone of what I was saying, I really do think that just because you think this doesn't affect people, it really does. Sorry I went all cray cray on you. Chit chat does that to me sometimes.

Also, I'm more of an acoustic chill on Spotify listener myself.

6/9/2015 1:45:10 PM

You said "sports leagues" in your argument.

Not sure why anybody cares about what public restroom anybody uses either. Go segregate your own home bathrooms, get the best alarm system on the market, and home school your kids and shut the fuck up about it. Nobody cares.

6/9/2015 1:57:39 PM

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"forms filled, taxes paid, bathrooms used (dead horse), sports leagues, health care,"

How do these things affect you as an individual?

Forms filled? Are you worried you might accidentally check the "I'm a girl, but still have a dick" box?

Sports leagues? Are you worried that an opposing Co-ed team will have any advantage because one of the girls they are required to have use to be an Olympic athlete?

Bathrooms? Are you a timid tinkler? Would it really bother you to piss in a urinal beside a former female?

How are your taxes and healthcare going to change? Since you're vehemently against this, I'm sure you have solid proof that this well effect you.

6/9/2015 2:05:10 PM

^^When my tax dollars go to fund public education, then those facilities need to meet the needs of the many, not the 3.

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 2:18 PM. Reason : asdfa]

6/9/2015 2:17:57 PM

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"When my tax dollars go to fund public education, then those facilities need to meet the needs of the many, not the 3"

I'm inclined to agree with this. Greatest good for greatest number, not equal facilities for every tiny little subsector of the population.

6/9/2015 2:21:02 PM

yep. time to get rid of all those wheelchair ramps that take up prime real estate too. and stop with the unnecessary printing of braille books. the blind should just learn to listen better.

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2015 2:29:42 PM

Pretty sure Spock was just quoted in this thread.

6/9/2015 2:37:25 PM

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"I'm inclined to agree with this. Greatest good for greatest number, not equal facilities for every tiny little subsector of the population."

Agreed. Fuck handicap ramps.

6/9/2015 2:41:58 PM

damn Clifton, I tried to be nice. and "nobody cares" isn't true....LOL.

I'll briefly provide examples because some people can't think outside the box...

Forms filled?
-Salutations (Mr., Mrs., etc.)
-Eligibility for scholarships offered for ladies only

Are you worried you might accidentally check the "I'm a girl, but still have a dick" box?
-No

Sports leagues?
-These have been separate since the dawn of time. There are physical advantages / disadvantages (testosterone for example) for athletes of specific sex. Is this not apparent?

Are you worried that an opposing Co-ed team will have any advantage because one of the girls they are required to have use to be an Olympic athlete?
-No

Bathrooms?
-Believe it or not, there is a stigma against having your genitals exposed to members of the opposite sex, especially when children are in these facilities.

Are you a timid tinkler?
-No, although I wouldn't go "whipping it out" just because. Discretion is helpful.

Would it really bother you to piss in a urinal beside a former female?
-No, but then again, I believe that once female...always female.

How are your taxes and healthcare going to change?
-Subsidies for "gender reassignment" surgery
-The cost to update forms across the board

Since you're vehemently against this, I'm sure you have solid proof that this wellwill effectaffect you.
-Fixed that for you

I'm not vehemently against anything. I just think it is impossible to become a female when you have been a male. Bruce Jenner is not one of your precious genetic anomalies that you can cite when trying to say that you are what you think you are. You are what you are. That's that. Facts is facts. Penis ain't vag and vag ain't penis. No matter how much science we have we just can't change nature, yo.

6/9/2015 2:46:17 PM

Bruce was a Republican. Is she?

6/9/2015 2:54:29 PM

I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of women who wouldn't feel comfortable knowing that they're using the same bathroom with people who used to be men (sex, not gender).

And some of yall are being pretty bigoted when you automatically assume that anyone who doesn't understand or questions this, or ponders negative implications of it means that they are "vehemently against this", or assume they're fanatical christians or AM radio listeners or supporters of cat murderers.

6/9/2015 3:00:59 PM

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"I'm not vehemently against anything. [i'm just gonna type 254308989037896892 words about how] I just think it is impossible to become a female when you have been a male"

6/9/2015 3:03:48 PM

are you referring to one or two people in this thread?

6/9/2015 3:08:29 PM

ve-he-ment

adjective
1. zealous; ardent; impassioned: a vehement defense; vehement enthusiasm.

2. characterized by rancor or anger; violent: vehement hostility.

3. strongly emotional; intense or passionate: vehement desire.

4. marked by great energy or exertion; strenuous: vehement clapping.

no emotion. just stating facts. do you even dictionary, bro?

6/9/2015 3:11:15 PM

here's a fact for ya:

sex =/= gender

once you let this sink in for a bit, you might come closer to understanding where the adults are coming from

6/9/2015 3:12:24 PM

I'm a broken record at this point - there's no grey area. You are either with them 100% or bigots.

6/9/2015 3:12:44 PM

^^hey guy (i'm not going to call you douche bag even though you're a condescending ass to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you), you've repeated that multiple times, then admitted you didn't really know much about what it even means.


[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 3:16 PM. Reason : V dude, you literally don't even know what you're talking about and you're calling people stupid]

6/9/2015 3:14:05 PM

^^ you are literally too stupid to comprehend this, so yeah. time to bow out


^ i certainly know more than you do. which is good enough for me.



[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 3:17 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2015 3:14:19 PM

holy shit, you sound like el nacho.

(i've asked you to educate me, you admitted you don't really know, then you call people stupid and say you're smarter than them and bask in your superiority. and you think you're the "adult"? childish.)

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 3:19 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2015 3:17:37 PM

i would have to write at least 1,000 other words to even come close to sounding like him.

look, if you don't want to understand/accept the scientific info that's out there, that's on you. but calling people bigots who've at least cracked the book on the topic or interacted meaningfully with a transperson bigots for pointing out logical fallacies? i don't have much else to say to you. did you even read any of those articles Bweez posted? No? why not? serious question. and for the record, I said: 'I don't know a ton'. Pretty different than "I have no idea what I'm talking about"

is it easy to understand/accept? no, maybe not at first. but if you use your brain and critical thinking skills to get past the "eww, transpeople are weird/gross" and realize that it's a fucking horrible lot in life they've been dealt, MAYBE you can try to be at least a bit compassionate. the exact same arguments people have used about slavery, segregation, interracial marriage, gay marriage, etc all logically apply here.




[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 3:26 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2015 3:21:24 PM

Isn't there some sports leagues playing today? Better watch them now before the communists take over.

6/9/2015 3:25:35 PM

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"no emotion. just stating facts."

clearly

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"You're a fucking vapid cunt if.."

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"Enjoy your bubble, you twat. "

also:

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"marked by great energy or exertion"

also see: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rancor

6/9/2015 3:26:25 PM

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"but calling people bigots who've at least cracked the book on the topic"

i haven't done that. i called people like you and others bigots who assume that since I'm asking questions about this, i must be a fanatical right-wing conservative christian (which i am none of) who thinks "eww, transpeople are weird/gross", which is just another assumption on your part.

i realize it's a fucking horrible lot in life, i am compassionate for them, I think they should do what makes them happy. I'm simply discussing it and asking questions about it, anonymously on fucking TWW mind you, and you're making all kinds assumptions and calling me stupid. I mean, there are a few people on here that are "vehemently against it", but I ain't one of them, and it's bigoted for you to assume that.

6/9/2015 3:27:11 PM

They're all like:

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"Trannies'r tryna get'n the school...bathrooms..."

...But aren't bigoted about it.

6/9/2015 3:31:35 PM

^^^obviously you didn't read that whole post.

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"here's a fact for ya: sex =/= gender once you let this sink in for a bit, you might come closer to understanding where the adults are coming from"

sex =/= species
gender =/= sexual preference
man =/= woman
race =/= ethnicity
dog =/= rabbit

durrrrrr

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 3:34 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2015 3:34:30 PM

I'm not vehemently against transgender people, or even them going under the knife. I just believe the following:

1. It is a mental disorder, and people like adultswim, wecanreallyjustwait, and tgl3 are just enablers here.
2. I don't believe they should be allowed to go into other bathrooms, because it's only going to cause problems. I don't really care if a female comes into my bathroom - I really don't give a shit. But there are lots of females out there that would care if a male came into theirs. Are they bigots? I don't know, but the fact of the matter is that many women would be alarmed. And they shouldn't be chastised for complaining about it.
3. I feel that no matter what, you are what you are born with, and you can't change it.

Do those three points above make me a bigot? If so then I'll never be able to change your mind. But I'll say this, I've never gone out of my way to put anybody in this group down. I've had long conversations with someone who has actually had reassignment surgery, and his (formerly her) story is fascinating. I'll never support legislation that goes against this lifestyle, and I'm never going to picket or anything against this lifestyle. The points above are just my thoughts, and my thoughts alone.

If I'm marginalizing and terrorizing this group by not being pro-transgender, then so be it.

6/9/2015 3:38:37 PM

you can believe whatever you want. but your own personal beliefs don't trump medical/scientific research.

6/9/2015 3:42:30 PM

science has proven that plastic surgery and strong thoughts can turn a man into a woman?

praise science!

6/9/2015 3:44:52 PM

dude it's not about "turning a man into a woman". you still don't get it.

6/9/2015 3:45:39 PM

I know... gender is how a person identifies oneself vs. sex being their biological being...blah blah blah...

but srsly...you may be a "gender woman" but you ain't a woman.

6/9/2015 3:51:05 PM

I'm sure a lot of people relegate the way you feel on socio-political topics to mental illness as well, guys.

It might be ironic that I say this, but, maybe you should move to Russia!

6/9/2015 3:53:40 PM

biologically, no. you are correct. gender-wise? it's up to both the person who has transitioned to determine if they 'feel' like their gender matches, and to a lesser extent, society. it's called "passing". the society part, as demonstrated by the very thread, is what the real issue is.

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 3:55 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2015 3:53:43 PM

God created man and woman, science created Caitlyn....

6/9/2015 3:54:31 PM

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"1. It is a mental disorder, and people like adultswim, wecanreallyjustwait, and tgl3 are just enablers here."

I've asked before, but I'll try again:

what am I enabling, other than wanting a person to live a happy, non-depressed/suicidal life?

would you consider yourself an enabler for not telling the transperson that you know that you think they're in the wrong and that they need help?

6/9/2015 3:57:39 PM

and "passing" as a woman and being a woman are two different things. I just can't pass what isn't. its like saying blue can pass as red because purple.

6/9/2015 4:03:29 PM

Seriously, the only thing that's alarming about all of this is these people are in our age group. If it was somebody's 70 year-old grandad just figuring out the Internet, and how to tell people how weird society is today while online, that's acceptable. But...age group.



[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 4:05 PM. Reason : k]

6/9/2015 4:03:34 PM

the same thing can be said vice-versa. some people are just traditionalist. it doesn't make a person a trans-bashing genderphobe.

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 4:13 PM. Reason : or does it? i don't even know anymore. i'm just a cis-gendered progressophobe]

6/9/2015 4:12:09 PM

clifton, i realize that you like movies. and i like movies too. i know this is chit chat, but you're really not contributing to the discussion, and if you haven't noticed, i don't think anyone is paying attention to your posts.

6/9/2015 4:13:27 PM

^^no, but if you want to deny them basic rights and continue to feel 'uncomfortable' around them, it says way more about your prejudices than you realize.

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2015 4:13:38 PM

I didn't say I was uncomfortable around them. I'm not. And I didn't say I'd want to deny them basic rights. What basic rights are you referring to?

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 4:16 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2015 4:16:21 PM

i didn't mean YOU specifically. i meant people in general who are transphobic, which is the majority of people.

6/9/2015 4:17:35 PM

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"no, but if you want to deny them basic rights and continue to feel 'uncomfortable' around them, it says way more about your prejudices than you realize. "

What basic rights are being denied to them?

6/9/2015 4:21:39 PM