8/7/2010 8:35:37 PM
8/8/2010 8:23:58 AM
8/8/2010 8:47:28 AM
Wait what was that you were just saying about how the actions of a few don't represent the entire group?
8/8/2010 9:41:53 AM
8/8/2010 11:22:41 AM
8/8/2010 11:23:07 AM
^ so people against mosques are bigots?
8/8/2010 11:28:09 AM
8/8/2010 6:07:58 PM
^"they came first for the Communists,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.then they came for the trade unionists,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.then they came for the Jews,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.then they came for meand by that time no one was left to speak up.”
8/8/2010 6:27:16 PM
I'd be alright with the first two
8/8/2010 10:30:11 PM
8/8/2010 11:14:25 PM
So who here has Muslims in their family/friends?I do. I'm just wondering how many of you actually know anything real about Islam/Muslims in America.
8/8/2010 11:23:07 PM
I saw a hot muslim MILF at bojangles the other day...but none in my family/friends that I know of.But here is an interesting "30 Days" episode: http://planetgreen.discovery.com/videos/30-days-muslim-in-america.htmlAbout a Christian living as a Muslim in America.[Edited on August 8, 2010 at 11:40 PM. Reason : ]
8/8/2010 11:38:12 PM
^^^ Wait what was that you were just saying about how the actions of a few don't represent the entire group?
8/9/2010 10:15:48 AM
Not ALL Tea-Partiers are bigots but the ones turning out to protest Mosques are.LOLYou stupid motherfucking trolls on this site can waste each others' time over the funniest shit
8/9/2010 10:23:58 AM
likewise, not all muslims are right wing extremists, but those ones who have allied themselves with the muslim brotherhood, refuse to condemn Hamas, and advocate for the acceptance of Sharia law within this country are.LOL
8/9/2010 10:34:44 AM
I've about had it with you anti-American motherfuckers spreading your poisonous ideology in this country.America's supposed to be about freedom and acceptance of people from all backgrounds. Really getting tired of this Tea Party Fake America bullshit.
8/9/2010 12:35:51 PM
8/9/2010 1:08:17 PM
8/9/2010 1:14:37 PM
8/9/2010 1:32:33 PM
Has anyone in this thread actually stated that they wanted the GOVERNMENT to step in and stop this mosque from being built? I'm not saying no one is advocating this position, but the people I keep reading about it from are those who support the mosque.It seems like the most active opponents of the mosque ITT are against the government blocking it.Straw man anyone?
8/9/2010 1:35:34 PM
8/9/2010 1:48:46 PM
Fake-ass Americans ^, ^^.
8/9/2010 3:47:41 PM
McDanger, understand where they are coming from.They view extreme Islamism as a direct threat to American security. They believe they have evidence that links this new mosque to extreme Islamism. They are not being un-American in showing concern with what they perceive as a direct threat to American security.I'm not saying I agree with them on these bounds, but in their minds, this is like Soviet spies making a club in downtown New York. Should we be tolerant of organizations and cultures that represent a direct threat to American security?If Al-Qaeda wanted to setup a clubhouse in the USA somewhere, should we support them?V, Well, shit, I don't really understand your position.[Edited on August 9, 2010 at 4:07 PM. Reason : V]
8/9/2010 3:55:17 PM
I don't believe the mosque is a direct threat to america any more than any of the many other radicalized mosques are...I just think the placement of it is particularly offensive.I think we are still allowed to be offended by the actions of right-wing fundamentalists in this country, aren't we? [Edited on August 9, 2010 at 4:00 PM. Reason : ]
8/9/2010 3:59:19 PM
8/9/2010 4:12:49 PM
8/9/2010 4:16:25 PM
8/9/2010 4:32:27 PM
8/9/2010 4:36:14 PM
The liberals ITT have no answer to any of the actual arguments being used in opposition to this mosque, so they just make up anti-mosque arguments and shoot them down.tacit admission of defeat?
8/9/2010 4:45:19 PM
There's really no argument here except "we can't tread on the sensibilities of hysterical morons"
8/9/2010 4:50:15 PM
America's new motto is apparently "Don't tread on my racist sensibilities"Since when have Americans been scared pussies at literally every foreign shadow? Conservatives can be scared pussies if they feel like it, but I hope our country moves beyond this.
8/9/2010 4:51:20 PM
Well, you believe that this Imam is a moderate/liberal muslim.I do not. The evidence is on my side, but whatever.
8/9/2010 4:56:31 PM
8/9/2010 5:05:19 PM
Reason #1: The Conspiracy Theory"They're radical extremists"If you buy the "evidence" for this, then let me tell you how Bush was a puppet for the Saudi royal family, and how Obama is a Manchurian Candidate for left wing radicals. You see, the imams dad totally knew these guys who... As for the Sharia thing-- saying that "the Constitution is compatible with Sharia" is a good thing. I already like him more than Pat Robertson, who apparently would like to change a couple things in the Constitution. As for an alternative civil court system-- who cares? It's been shown that the Jews already have it. Even rednecks have the People's Court, which is no different. It's called arbitration; it's already allowed.Reason #2: Bigotry and/or Stupidity"It's insensitive because they're Muslim and so were the terrorists"It's only insensitive if you're too stupid to distinguish between the Unitarians of Islam and the Timothy McVeighs of Islam.Reason #3: Political Correctness"It's insensitive because people are offended"Tough noogies.
8/9/2010 5:05:43 PM
8/9/2010 5:39:51 PM
I guess you ignored the final most important point that I made, summarizing my opposition:
8/9/2010 5:51:13 PM
8/9/2010 6:13:24 PM
^^
8/9/2010 6:28:58 PM
It seems like Solinari is saying that he's morally opposed to the building of this mosque, but doesn't think the government should intervene. See, that's a key difference between statists and non-statists. Statists on both sides of the political spectrum see something they don't like, and want the government to come in and stop it. Liberals see things like racial inequality and want the government to come in and give special rights or privileges to anyone that passes some arbitrary skin color test. Conservatives see people in relationships they don't approve of and want the government to ban it.It's possible to have progress, i.e. advancements in terms of equality, treating others humanely, social justice, etc., without having an elected body of bureaucrats come in and make legislation. We, as individuals, can make change happen, by discussing these issues with other people and changing minds.I could say that I'm against the building of churches, mosques, or any place of worship, because I am. I think it's a waste of resources. My parents have thrown away untold thousands paying tithes. Those are thousands of dollars that could have been saved, invested, or just not flushed down the toilet. And yeah, while some of that may have gone to a good cause, a lot of it just went to the running of the church. Believe me, there is pressure on congregation members to cough up that 10%. Millions of Americans waste that kind of money, thinking that it's going to make them a better Christian, or that they're going to receive some kind of blessing from God. I don't know how mosques run exactly, but I suspect they also operate off the donations of their members.So, there you have it: I'm opposed to religious buildings and organizations. And, what do you know, it has nothing to do with racism. It's disappointing to see people throwing around "racism" in this thread. I knew that the word has been getting tossed around to the point of making it nearly meaningless, but put a little thought into what you're saying before you click post reply.[Edited on August 9, 2010 at 7:26 PM. Reason : ]
8/9/2010 7:24:46 PM
It's ok... I even it out when i call them out for their undeniable antisemitism whenever they cheer for Hamas terrorists or other anti-Israel groups
8/9/2010 7:29:22 PM
^^ the difference is that solinari opposes this because they are muslims, not because he thinks religion in general is a waste.And in the context of the discussion, in this section of TSB, what sense does it make to point out that you don't like the mosque, but you think it should still be built?Because the issue at hand is that there are fake-ass religious-fascist Americans trying to get the government to block the building of the mosque, despite the fact this mentality goes against everything America stands for, and these people are largely your conservative/tea-bag types, as well as main stream Republican politicians.What is boils down to is that Solinari and others supports Christian-religious-fascism, because he hasn't denounced the people that think religious freedom only belongs to Christians, and is offering them support. He's trying to speak out of both sides of his mouth.[Edited on August 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM. Reason : ]
8/9/2010 7:36:39 PM
Hahaha yea location has nothing to do with this issue.... Shit I mean i don't even know why gz is even mentioned in the thread title or anything! What's up with that?
8/9/2010 7:41:09 PM
8/9/2010 9:11:12 PM
^ I understand that YOU think that, but that's an irrelevant thought.Do you think the people on your side (who are the subject of this thread) lobbying the government of NY City, NY State, and the federal politicians to fold to the terrorists, or the people who oppose mosques anywhere because of muslims should have their views taken seriously?Do you really think that I or anyone care what your emotional state is on this issue?The real issue here is about the spread of right-wing intolerance, being harbored by the mainstream republicans/conservatives. If you want to see a fine example of a country where peoples' emotional whims guide society, then visit Saudi Arabia. The US doesn't need to become a Christian version of Saudi Arabia, which is what a growing number of Republicans and conservatives seem to want.
8/9/2010 9:35:33 PM
people are FREE to lobby whatever they want. just because you dont agree with their opinion, doesnt necessarily make them oppressive. and just because they believe in what they do, doesnt mean they get to subvert the Constitution. its pretty fucking simple. give me a break with your scare-mongering bullshit. your vision of utopia, where personal and private feelings/attitudes are COMPLETELY removed from the opinion-forming process is naive and disingenuous. THAT is what is irrelevant to this conversation.
8/9/2010 9:47:41 PM
8/9/2010 9:57:25 PM
oh god, again with the straw manno one here is advocating that the government stop the mosqueI understand that you wish we were, because it would make it a lot easier for you to prove we were wrongbut sadly, no.
8/9/2010 10:13:57 PM
The same folks who don't want to see this mosque built because "it just doesn't feel right" are all too silent when people bitch about mortgage brokers and bankers signing people up for loans they couldn't afford because hating these institutions "just doesn't feel right" in light of personal responsibility and all.
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