any first round draft pick getting in a fight with/punching a high schooler a couple weeks after being drafted is gonna make the news.

there's no anti-unc agenda with that. it's newsworthy. and yeah, the IC guy has a point (kinda, i guess) in the fact that it is PJ Hairston, who has had plenty of trouble surrounding him, only makes it worse.

7/8/2014 8:59:31 AM

WRAL

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"Tar Heels Blue Jul 8, 7:26 a.m. Mr. Ovies, PJ and any other athlete who has left their college/university either through graduation or just leaving, are responsible for their own actions and do not represent the college/university unless they are employed by said institution. UNC in the instances to which you refer (Hairston, Josh Gordon who has no affiliation with UNC) has no jurisdiction or control over these members. Why not research some positive aspect in sports and stop regurgitating last week's news. Better yet, why not dig into Duke and State's programs and instead of looking for garbage, find the positives in their programs? Read more at http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ugc/page/3530905/?id=13791860"

7/8/2014 9:55:52 AM

Wonder if UNC fans will still bring up Sweezy punching a bus driver. "Oh yeah? Well PJ beats up children"

7/8/2014 9:57:54 AM

NC State's only positive is that we aren't cheating...

7/8/2014 11:13:27 AM

Or even if we did, we've got nothing to vacate

7/8/2014 11:16:18 AM

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"CornbreadandCollards All-American 19516 posts this site Send Private Message Posted: Yesterday 11:20 AM Posted: Yesterday 11:20 AM Re: article - Lipford, Webb, Farmer at risk academically I don't think it's that the professors necessarily "hate" sports, it's just that some are unwilling to compromise ONE INCH when it comes to accomodating athletes--that they can't see the bigger picture, or are unwilling to do so. And maybe they shouldn't: "If I give this kid a B (instead of a C) to keep him eligibile, what kind of precedent is that setting?" I think the cases of Webb is completely different than Lipford's. In Lipford's case, I would like to think that a professor would see the bigger picture: that perhaps giving a single higher letter grade could allow him to play his last year of football and help him make a pro career of football. For Webb, it's probably something that may need to happen. Schools like UNC, UVa, GT, BC, dook, and others are at decided disadvantages in that regard. There isn't a lot of curriculum that is designed for less qualified students, and some would argue that it would be inappropriate for the school to create such a curriculum. But others, perhaps that those that live in reality, understand that those programs and majors are required for maintaining large numbers of less qualified students. Now, it doesn't have to be "just for athletes". There are plenty of non-athletes who are majoring in some of the less vigorous programs. I don't know why it has to be taken to the extreme of saying that those majors are "for athletes." The requirement to keep a GPA of X is likely harder (perhaps significantly harder) than it would be at other schools. If athletes aren't allowed to take Drama 16, Psych 10, AFAM 40, and the like, then it is going to be impossible for these kinds of schools to field competitive football teams. "

7/8/2014 11:22:41 AM

^

HAHAH, was literally just about to post that

[Edited on July 8, 2014 at 11:24 AM. Reason : ]

7/8/2014 11:24:22 AM

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"Maybe the guy who got punched deserved it? Perhaps he cheap-shotted PJ, potentially causing a serious injury that could've cost PJ millions in lifetime income? If I'm an NBA rookie, looking at millions of dollars in potential lifetime earnings, and some high schooler tries to injure me before I've even played a game, then I'm gonna wax that chump. Go PJ."

7/8/2014 11:24:37 AM

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""Vince Phillips said Hairston dribbled down the court with his left hand and punched Barkley with his other in the head before driving to the basket." Like a boss."

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"Just imagine what Dean would have said if you suggested to him that players should be paid to play, now I don't mean stipend I mean paid like pro athletes? It makes me giggle to think how quickly he would have "idiotized" the person that asked him that question."

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" When you play with the big boys, wear your big boy pants. If this young man presses charges he won't be able to show his face on any baskekball court and be respected. Any one that has played serious ball understands whats going on here, its only someone trying to make a fast buck. When people who are so far removed from a particular culture, try to enter that culture and be a judge, they get it wrong. Its like asking someone who only listens to boy bands, for their interpretation of "be bop"."

7/8/2014 1:00:56 PM

^holy hell that last comment. hahahahahahahaha.

i want it framed so i can hang it on my wall and see it everyday.

7/8/2014 1:36:27 PM

what the fuck is be bop?

(ahh, thanks wikipedia, it's a type of old jazz music. i prefer ragtime though if i'm looking for some early 20th century jamz)

[Edited on July 8, 2014 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

7/8/2014 2:27:49 PM

You have to be a serious baller to truly know

7/8/2014 2:29:48 PM

YOU != SERIOUS BALLER.

7/8/2014 3:01:57 PM

damn...and here I was not expecting a YMCA pickup game to be a serious ballgame. From now on, I'll put that shit on the same level as an NBA Finals game.

7/8/2014 3:33:23 PM

Their spin is that the "kid" is the punk for reporting getting punched.
Not the NBA draft pick that lost 3 games and punched a high school recruit on a dribble drive.

Also there is a thread for "lurking wuss peckers" that quotes bible verses and a "rock video". Definitely worth a quick read.

[Edited on July 8, 2014 at 3:56 PM. Reason : x]

7/8/2014 3:44:54 PM

is wuss pecker their slang wolf pack now? have they replaces wuffies or do they use both?

7/8/2014 3:47:43 PM

Wuffies doesn't have enough vitriol to refer to the fanbase that singlehandedly feeds WRAL, N&O and DSPN with all the lies about UNC, so they use Wuss Peckers

7/8/2014 3:55:04 PM

from RAW-Lee

7/8/2014 6:37:06 PM

At MooU

7/8/2014 6:41:00 PM

UNC-Rawlee

7/8/2014 6:42:11 PM

One of my favorites is iNCeST.

7/8/2014 10:15:37 PM

Look i can do that too

cUNtCake

7/8/2014 11:37:14 PM

^^That's one of their only witty ones. Wonder how many of them it took to come up with it. It's almost half as clever as something like uNCSUcks84.

7/9/2014 12:26:39 AM

from wral comments but still a gem. this was in response to someone saying they can't believe unc fans were taking a break from the scandal to comment on a article written about how NCSU has to replace Warren next year

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"What scandal? I absolutely applaud Carolina's efforts to keep pro caliber athletes eligible to play. That's what the big boys do. Hopefully they will find a better, more efficient way to continue doing so. As for PJ, if he gets arrested every day for the next 30 years it's not going to bother me at all. As a matter of fact, I kinda hope he does. Ya like apples? Read more at http://www.wralsportsfan.com/replacing-warren-priority-no-1-for-pack/13795642/#qr6r7me5fL854BrA.99"

7/9/2014 6:52:26 AM

Some interesting comments on WRAL story about replacing Warren (^same story)
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/replacing-warren-priority-no-1-for-pack/13795642/?comment_order=forward

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"TeaBagOnLove Jul 8, 6:05 p.m. Another slice of humble pie served up to the NC Great Crowd. Warren carried that team as far as he could then he started to drag the dead weight as far as he could. The corpse that is left behind is going to stink up the ACC next season."

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"Rameses Van GogHeels Jul 8, 6:23 p.m. Things are looking UP!!! Maybe another pre-season Top 10 trophy and victory laps by the Red Riding Hoods led by Hardy Harr Harr and SACoDelusional...Turn that frown upside down Bovinenation...B)"

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"UNC AFAM > Duke Sociology > NCSUx. Trying to undo that truth is "priority No. 1 for Pack.""

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"Wow. What a retort. You'll surely be NCSUx's first Rhodes Scholar! Or should I say, Roads Scholar - one who studies why another new NCSUx grad-designed North Carolina highway needs to be pulled up and redone at taxpayer expense."

7/9/2014 10:35:11 AM

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""Rameses Van GogHeels Jul 8, 6:23 p.m. Things are looking UP!!! Maybe another pre-season Top 10 trophy and victory laps by the Red Riding Hoods led by Hardy Harr Harr and SACoDelusional...Turn that frown upside down Bovinenation...B)""

can somebody un-douche this sentence and tell me what he's trying to say?

7/9/2014 10:50:43 AM

I kinda like #bovinenation in all seriousness

7/9/2014 11:16:21 AM

What is SACoDelusional?

7/9/2014 11:29:23 AM

I loled at CrackRide the first time I heard ir

7/9/2014 11:52:38 AM

[Edited on July 14, 2014 at 12:12 AM. Reason : ]

7/14/2014 12:11:50 AM

I don't understand what that last tweet is about

7/14/2014 8:42:22 AM

^^Wait, I'm not gonna go dig up old tweets or anything...but I'm fairly certain several former (maybe even some current) UNC bball players "slimed" him. Saying stuff about "consider the source", etc. Hell. That last guy in that convo, Bethel, kinda "slimed" him on Adam and Joe when this news broke. I don't remember exactly what he said, but he definitely didn't paint McCants in the most trustworthy light. And he works for UNC in some capacity...maybe in the compliance department or something.

7/14/2014 9:00:03 AM

Guessing Bethel is talking about this:

http://coachingthemind.blogspot.com/2014/07/my-experience-as-unc-student-athlete.html

He posted a blog entry from a former UNC student athlete who took a 'paper class'. I am sure the fratboy, golf playing, now-dentist had the same experience as Julius Peppers at UNC

7/14/2014 4:05:03 PM

LOL, fucking moron

7/14/2014 4:06:57 PM

"Bob Cherry"
Played Golf.

Im sure his experience was exactly like a moneyball athlete.

COME ON, MAN

[Edited on July 14, 2014 at 4:35 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2014 4:34:35 PM

7/14/2014 4:40:15 PM

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"I am sure the fratboy, golf playing, now-dentist had the same experience as Julius Peppers at UNC"

Legit lol.

That's one of those articles I want to comment on, but would just be wasting my time. Of course the white dude on the golf team had a great time at UNC and wasn't knee deep in the AFAM department in order to stay eligible. Jesus.

[Edited on July 14, 2014 at 6:22 PM. Reason : TBDV]

7/14/2014 6:09:36 PM

I didn't get past his bit about "I am a Tar Heel."

So glad that "Go Pack, fuck the Heels..." is not an identity we have to announce. Pretty much a given. Not really any pride in it...it is what it is.

7/14/2014 7:22:37 PM

^^^ LOLOLOL

7/14/2014 8:04:46 PM

Also worth noting. Bob Cherrybottomtooth IX , DDS said:

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"I had to work closely with the coaches, the academic staff, and my teammates to make sure matters (including academic, athletic, and social) were handled appropriately"

So, UNC's golf coach that made 74k/year was on top of the academics of his players, yet Roy with his $1.2M contract had no idea... even though he has incentives for APR and academic success in his contract that were constantly met.

I think that if this Wainstein thing is not a total cover-up that we might get to the point where Roy is going to be out. They are going to sugar coat it as much as possible but even their giant egos won't be able to hide the trash that occurred through/under him.

7/14/2014 9:25:09 PM

That's the ridiculousness of the entire "no just look at player x he was a prime example of what a student athlete should be" argument. It implies people actually believe that every single athlete on campus...or even every single football and basketball player on campus were given free A's and took no show classes. Of course that's not the case. Certain athletes didn't need to be given A's. Certain athletes did. And in the case of an athlete who was in danger of becoming ineligible, there were clearly measures in place to ensure that the athlete magically remain eligible. Nobody is saying that the UNC systemically lied and cheated and falsified grades for the golf team. But clearly that shit was going on for higher profile athletes who needed the help.

7/14/2014 9:58:28 PM

I left a stupid comment on the blog post that conveys your^ message(Myron Rolle/FSU if you happen to have read it). I mean... it is blatently obvious to everyone but UNC fanboys that marching out one smart person that didnt need the cheating... is just plain stupid. I can't believe they are still patting each others backs over stuff like this.

If something happens at State like this, we should just send out Russell Wilson to say: 'this was not my experience at NC State' and expect the critics to go away.

7/14/2014 10:05:51 PM

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" Do I think UNC gave out grades to athletes? Absolutely not."

I just got around to reading that blog post. And holy shit. I thought it was a fact that Julius Peppers and others had their grades changed. I don't remember all the details, but wasn't there proof that Julius Nyang'oro (or whoever was in charge of the AFAM Department) actually changed the grades of some players?

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"In fact, the practice was that tutors would help with wording or structure, but the athlete had to come up with the idea and then type or write the words in themselves"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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"In fact, I would venture to guess that over 30 of my fraternity brothers took a class similar to this, and I know a few of them who did not write a paper and received an F or an incomplete in the class. "

Unless his frat brothers were starting on the basketball or football team, I'm not in the least bit surprised.

I mean, I just roll my eyes at that entire blog post.

And this from the comments section:

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"Great story and extremely well written. Nice to see a fair and balanced perspective. ?"

I mean...is it really fair and balanced? This former student told his experience....good for him. He certainly has his own agenda/narrative to push. It's fair and balanced in the sense that (I assume) he's not lying. But it's not like he's really giving much credence to the opposing side either.

[Edited on July 15, 2014 at 8:47 AM. Reason : l]

7/15/2014 8:40:46 AM

Woohoo, Bethel GETS IT! Watch out Kane, new Sheriff in town!Go Heels!

[Edited on July 16, 2014 at 1:44 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2014 1:39:56 PM

^HAHAHA. Every fanbase has it's message board lunatics. PP and NC State have its fair share. But remember the people on IC trying to report all that shit about Sweezy and others failing drug a test? On something that minor, IC nearly lost it's shit. So yeah, good luck getting UNC fans to show State any decency if the roles were reversed.

7/16/2014 1:49:35 PM

Get em wuss peckers in RAW-lee at UNC-Rawlee MooU

Go Heels! Boo wuffies!

Austin 3:16! Yankees! Cowboys!

7/16/2014 1:50:10 PM

you forgot Braves

7/16/2014 1:53:45 PM

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"That's the ridiculousness of the entire "no just look at player x he was a prime example of what a student athlete should be" argument. It implies people actually believe that every single athlete on campus...or even every single football and basketball player on campus were given free A's and took no show classes. Of course that's not the case. Certain athletes didn't need to be given A's. Certain athletes did. And in the case of an athlete who was in danger of becoming ineligible, there were clearly measures in place to ensure that the athlete magically remain eligible. Nobody is saying that the UNC systemically lied and cheated and falsified grades for the golf team. But clearly that shit was going on for higher profile athletes who needed the help."

UNC's stance in the PR world is called "controlling the narrative." Willingham's prior remarks and data is in reference to a % of revenue athletes (read: football and men's basketball) from 2004-current. For UNC to trot out a golf player from 15 years ago and hoopsters that played for Dean Smith in the 70s????? Come on. Not even remotely relevant to the conversation, they have no choice but to divert from the topic at hand. Tyler Hansbro and Sean May want to come out and sit on the front row of a scripted presser for poor Ol Roy, sure, bring your transcripts with you and prove the accusations wrong.

Willingham and Smith have never said all athletes in all sports at UNC since the beginning of time are illiterate. The fact that UNC is trying to combat it like that is something an 8 year old can see through, and they are grossly overpaying their PR team as a matter of fact. The media needs to ratchet it up a notch and bury them every time they bring out anyone other than a revenue athlete (2004-current) who doesn't want to bring his transcript or prove his credentials tangibly. We know Tyler Zeller and Marcus Paige are great students, thanks, no one is saying otherwise. It's like somehow UNC doesn't understand all it takes is one player who is ineligible to nullify it for the entire season. Somewhere along the way UNC has tried to control the message that since the majority of their (all sports included) athletes do the work the right way then the media should leave the basketball team (oh BTW, the program that generates 16 mil annually) alone. It makes zero sense and a child can see through the disconnect(s).

The PR battle they fought with the NandO was certainly a walk in the park from 2010-late 2013. When CNN/Bloomberg/Yahoo/ESPN started running stories it should have been a hint to up their game. They have not and it's been bad press nearly every week for the last 3-4 months. The "independent" investigation that UNC has had the opportunity to hand pick the investigator and pay for with private money reeks. It was cute when they tried that with Governor Martin. More powerful eyes in the media are watching this time around. The forthcoming whitewash and aftermath will be quite the spectacle. But at this rate, it won't come out until 2019

[Edited on July 16, 2014 at 2:48 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2014 2:40:22 PM

Just logged onto to twitter to give Bethel a well thought out, reasonable reply to him saying State fans are league of their own when it comes to hatred and animosity toward their rival or whatever the hell he was saying. Then I decided I wouldn't do that (why would I wanna "kiss up" to that asshole?). Instead I found myself wanting to reply "suck a dick, you asshole". So then I just logged off twitter without replying at all.

Also, given that he said "I come from Ohio State" or whatever, I take it he isn't a UNC grad and actually has only been working there a short period. But I'll be damned if he doesn't have the pompous, holier than thou shit down pat already. Good for him. Fucking asshole.

[Edited on July 16, 2014 at 2:45 PM. Reason : d]

7/16/2014 2:42:27 PM

Oh, you haven't been around enough tOSU grads. Holy shit they are arrogant.

7/16/2014 2:51:32 PM