If McCain had chosen a moderate Republican (Romney), and been against the Bail Out Plan(popular with the vast majority of Americans, reasonable economic sense, separates him from Bush, opposes Obama, aligns with fiscally responsible part of GOP) , he would probably have won the election. To easy, private, to easy.

Instead, he goes negative on a bunch of crazy shit that doesn't make much sense, he picks Palin at first this was okay, young female governor from Alaska so you think western Republican alright cool, but she turns out to be crazy Christian Bush Republican (Epic Fail), he proposes epic spending and waterdowned versions of a bunch of Democrat like programs. Honestly, if he gets 45% of the vote, which I think he might, it will be crazy.

10/25/2008 2:36:57 AM

I don't think republicans could have won even if that happened. It is just an off year. Maybe again in 4 years after they worked the kinks out of their neocon platform.

10/25/2008 8:33:45 AM

Quote :

"ummm, no, he isn't clearly an American citizen. Otherwise, there would, you know, be no questions about it. But, you see, there's this crazy guy from Pennsylvania, a Democrat mind you, who has asked in court. And Obama hasn't answered. And yes, there are scholarships that are given out for being a foreigner. You lose. Yes, it's not exclusively for being one, but it is linked to it. So give the fuck up and admit that Obama is hiding something"

I think that the closer Obama is to winning, the more divergent of a reality some people are forced to create for themselves. Mr. Burrito here is clearly in a world that, day by day, becomes less and less like the one in which we all live. Since a world in which Obama is president is completely unacceptable to them, they slip not-so-quietly into madness rather than see what is as plain as day before them.

[Edited on October 25, 2008 at 9:40 AM. Reason : ]

10/25/2008 9:40:03 AM

McCain could have won if he had been the first to start addressing the middle class in his debates. If he had continued to reach out to not only the segment of society that is feeling the biggest pinch, but also the one that is going to determine the election he really might have had a chance.

Instead he used his stage time and ads to talk about pork barrel spending, being a maverick, and shaking up Washington. I do not really remember him tying any of those promises to improving the lives of the American people.

He has continuously failed to do that, and as a result fallen right in to Obama's picture that he is "out of touch" and "doesn't get it".

10/25/2008 9:43:57 AM

For this page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE&feature=dir

10/25/2008 10:44:24 AM

Quote :

" ST. LOUIS (AP) -- Blues goalie Manny Legace left after one period Friday night with a hip injury that occurred when he slipped on the carpet placed on the ice for Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. The Alaska governor dropped the ceremonial first puck before the Blues hosted the Los Angeles Kings. A narrow carpet walkway was placed from the gate at the Blues bench to center ice for Palin, her husband and two of her daughters. Just before the ceremony, Legace was the first player onto the ice for St. Louis. A team official pointed to the carpet. But Legace said the official moved his own foot from the carpet just as Legace stepped down, causing the carpet to slide."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/hockey/nhl/10/24/blues.palin.ap/index.html?cnn=yes


way to win those hockey fans!

10/25/2008 11:00:24 AM

She's 0-2 for the home team and jersey she wears when she drops the puck. Wonder how long the streak will continue.

10/25/2008 11:05:48 AM

I bet the right can't wait for this shit to pass.

10/25/2008 11:29:14 AM

wonder how many people in Missouri dont vote for palin now just cause she caused a player to get hurt...like i wonder how many people vote on that one issue

10/25/2008 12:15:21 PM

http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html

10/25/2008 1:58:15 PM

^ The house did pass HR461 though, democrats and republicans.

But, of all the things the democrats, who have by most accounts been pretty ineffectual, why is it he is giving them so much power in this situation? The democrats did propose legislation that encouraged this issue, but the republican controlled congress under neither bush NOR clinton, the longest period of control leading to the crisis, did nothing to stop it.

It's ludicrous to try and pin this on just the democrats, when both democrats AND republicans have their hands dirty on this one.

And it's funny he talked about Obama camp seeking advice from a former Freddie executive, when McCain's side has done the same thing. He conveniently left that out. And on top of this, NONE of the legislation passed under the dems even remotely encouraged either freedie/fannie or the non GSE banks they worked with to misleadingly sell mortgage backed securities as high quality investments. This issue is far more complicated than republicans/democrats did it, and i'm disappointed that Orson Scott Card can't seem to see that.

10/25/2008 2:21:33 PM

The nutjobs come out again to support McCain/Palin ticket:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO1UYUXRCH8


Obama should run this as an approved message:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE

10/25/2008 2:27:23 PM

^^^
I'm not sure this was the most appropriate thread for that column, but I would argue that the author is not reflecting the full complexity of the market crisis.

I found this one piece note-worthy, however:

Quote :

"Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension — so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link. (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)"

President Bush and his administration did say that Iraq was linked to 9/11.. repeatedly.

How do people get away with so carelessly changing the facts like that?

10/25/2008 3:12:41 PM

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14929.html

Here's an interesting article.

It appears Palin has been irritating some McCain aides by "going rogue," and it's causing some trouble.

Maybe she feels like she knows how to win this, or maybe she has just accepted defeat in her heart, and is trying to soften the political impact this loss could cause, but it's bizarre nonetheless.

I wonder though what the fallout would be for McCain giving Palin the boot, and choosing someone else, this late in the game? I can't see it helping him, but it would put some polish on his Maverick badge.

Quote :

""She's lost confidence in most of the people on the plane," said a senior Republican who speaks to Palin, referring to her campaign jet. He said Palin had begun to "go rogue" in some of her public pronouncements and decisions. ... "These people are going to try and shred her after the campaign to divert blame from themselves," a McCain insider said, referring to McCain's chief strategist, Steve Schmidt, and to Nicolle Wallace, a former Bush aide who has taken a lead role in Palin's campaign. "

10/25/2008 4:08:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHrExRHZnm0

there needs to be a thread dedicated to this stuff

10/25/2008 5:04:40 PM

^^ McCain made a huge mistake letting the Bush handlers come in and take over handling her.... absolutely awful

10/25/2008 5:09:01 PM

man o man. have the wheels fallen off or what? this campaign is crumbling from within quickly, and it's actually quite surprising that the numbers are as close as they've been. although i do wonder if the mccain campaign is looking to throw palin under the bus so as to preserve mccain's image? i dunno. gotta give credit to whoever who called the republican civil war a few weeks ago.

10/25/2008 5:15:07 PM

this is closer than you think

10/25/2008 5:16:51 PM

it's really not though

10/25/2008 5:18:08 PM

^^ it could still end up a lot closer, but with a little more than a week to go, Obama is raping McCain on the electoral votes: http://www.electoral-vote.com/

His only hope is for something amazing to happen, or democrats being lazy and staying home.
.....

What would happen though if the polls stayed this way, but Obama still lost?

[Edited on October 25, 2008 at 5:26 PM. Reason : ]

10/25/2008 5:19:27 PM

This appeared today in Canada's national newspaper:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081024.wcoessay1025_1/BNStory/specialComment/home

Talk about an unsettling first line of an essay.

10/25/2008 6:05:18 PM

Quote :

"this is closer than you think"

you may be right but given that, that doesnt make the race close.

(i think itll be a blowout)

10/25/2008 6:10:34 PM

I saw the ad today...
All it consisted of was four frames with pictuers of Obama


Big Gov't Spending

Radical!

Liberal!

This ad was supported and approved by McCain and Palin




Well golly gee; I ain't sure from all desse commercials what dis McCain is all about but I best be voting for him else we gots to have a Radical Liberal president

10/25/2008 6:22:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxT0ELP7az0


Hell yeah, Biden kicked this stupid fucking reporter's ass. And she deserved it....hell that was a fucking interrogation.

How in their good conscience and fair reporting do they feel they can honestly get up there and ask questions about marxism and socialism and compare that to what is simply a middle class tax cut. Give me a fucking break, that's why the right wing is going down in flames people...

10/25/2008 7:05:54 PM

I always thought tax cuts was the 'conservative' way to assist the various tax brackets and to 'encourage' behavior that has a net positive effect on society.

10/25/2008 7:16:30 PM

Quote :

"This appeared today in Canada's national newspaper: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081024.wcoessay1025_1/BNStory/specialComment/home Talk about an unsettling first line of an essay."

Quote :

"Where were you when Barack Obama was shot? The line we pray we will never have to say. A line I have hesitated even to write, as if the mere inscribing of the words could invite calamity."

Unfortunately, i've had the same feelings. The first thing I thought when I saw the 100k+ crowd he addressed in St. Louis was "damn.... it would be crazy-easy for someone to kill him right now"
I don't know if his chances of surviving his first term, or at least not having a serious attempt on his life in the first 4 years, are even 50%

10/25/2008 8:46:22 PM

And given that, the GOP is still trying to tarnish Obama's character.

No wonder it rings hollow to so many people.

10/25/2008 8:56:14 PM

Quote :

""These people are going to try and shred her after the campaign to divert blame from themselves," a McCain insider said"

yep, and it's going to be glorious.

she'll never be heard from again.

10/25/2008 8:56:38 PM

I certainly hope that's the case.

I can't think of anyone worse for the Presidency

10/25/2008 9:02:35 PM

I'm still holding out hope for McCain to man up (after the election, no chance he would to it before) and admit that he sold his soul to try to win this damn election.

10/25/2008 9:06:37 PM

^ I'm sure it will be in his memoirs or a book he will write.

10/25/2008 9:09:42 PM

Quote :

"Hell yeah, Biden kicked this stupid fucking reporter's ass. "

Good lord, that was the most biased, unprofessional local news reporter I've ever seen. That was unreal.

10/25/2008 9:44:52 PM

hoooo

I imagine she's going to the same Palm Beach cocktail parties Rush is attending...

10/25/2008 10:20:51 PM

Quote :

"And given that, the GOP is still trying to tarnish Obama's character"

hes done a pretty good job of that on his own

10/25/2008 10:31:02 PM

god, after watching more of those intolerable videos, McCain and Palin and the rest of the GOP personally owe it to Obama, for his safety, to come out and try to undo a lot of the damage they've done. They know damn well that Obama is not a terrorist, a Muslim, or a socialist, but they don't seem to care that those are 3 of the scariest words in America, and that they are trying to pin all of them on Obama, which will lead directly to threats to his life.

10/25/2008 10:57:09 PM

they dont owe him shit

10/25/2008 11:09:14 PM

^This guy'll be right there on the grass knoll.

10/25/2008 11:10:23 PM

false deduction

10/25/2008 11:11:29 PM

so, nobody in their campaign at large should accept any blame if Obama is killed because some nut thinks he's a terrorist?

10/25/2008 11:11:30 PM

absolutely not, that is ridiculous

10/25/2008 11:15:30 PM

Quote :

"false deduction"

Actually, it's more like weak induction rather than a deduction. As to it being false, well to quote you:

Quote :

"prove it"

10/25/2008 11:18:17 PM

^^ which part?
That he would be killed because somebody thinks he's a terrorist?
Or that McCain's campaign called him a terrorist?

10/25/2008 11:20:33 PM

deduction

Quote :

" the deriving of a conclusion by reasoning ; specifically : inference in which the conclusion about particulars follows necessarily from general or universal premises — compare induction b: a conclusion reached by logical deduction"

Quote :

"Actually, it's more like weak induction rather than a deduction."

think before you post

10/25/2008 11:23:57 PM

^Thanks for proving my point. It does not follow from general or universal premises at all. It is not deductive reasoning. It is inductive reasoning as I said. Weak since the observations are your postings and nothing else, but it does not display any deductive reasoning false or otherwise.

Also, thank you for winning me a bet. I bet my roommate that you'd have to go google those words before you could respond since I was guessing you had no idea what you were saying and were just trying to sound smart by saying "false deduction" instead of "fuck off" or "no."

[Edited on October 25, 2008 at 11:27 PM. Reason : ]

10/25/2008 11:26:04 PM

^ The word can be, and is, used for reasoning in general. Don't get all prescriptivist up in here.

[Edited on October 25, 2008 at 11:39 PM. Reason : prescriptivism]

10/25/2008 11:38:46 PM

Oh I was just fucking with him because he was getting all high and mighty about me making a bad joke about him shooting Obama- calling it "false deduction" after some of the crazy stuff he'd posted in the Obama lawsuit thread. Seriously, if you're going to say "prove he wasn't born in kenya" and demand logical deductions you're asking for a pissing contest. Demanding someone prove a negative? That's like asking someone to prove they don't plan to assassinate the president. To be honest I couldn't remember the difference and had to google search to be sure I guessed right. that's how I recognized the definition he found as one of the first ones I found.

And come on, saying "false deduction" rather than something like "bullshit" does connote taking issue with logical reasoning rather than veracity. But I'll lay off the trollish dictionary fighting since these threads are already full of enough BS from the drudge report; we really don't need people like me bitching over semantics right?

[Edited on October 25, 2008 at 11:46 PM. Reason : ]

10/25/2008 11:43:39 PM

whoa now,

don't go explaining induction to these cats

all they're sure of,
is that liberal socialist done want to spread our wealth around! and take our guns away!

[Edited on October 26, 2008 at 12:37 AM. Reason : terrorist bastard.]

10/26/2008 12:36:45 AM

Palin's natural gas pipeline team had lobbyist ties to contract winner, crafted terms to limit bidders:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081026/ap_on_el_pr/palin_pipeline

10/26/2008 1:39:43 AM

lol that shits old dog...come in with the breaking news or gtfo

10/26/2008 1:40:06 AM

The news about lobbyist ties was revealed today (yesterday now), afaik.

If it's old to you, why not just ignore it, or provide something new?

10/26/2008 1:55:32 AM