KOL- Long time no see man. I hope youre doing well. I think in this situation you are best to check the flop for two reasons:
1) If you know this guy can check raise, why risk a bet? If he is willing to check-raise, he might as well go ahead and call your all in.
2) Try to put him on a hand here. You know he called with a piece of paint, but which one? You have top pair, but with a terrible kicker, but with a flush draw. Since you know the flush will only hit one in 4 times, you are best to see a turn card for free.

However, if he checks the turn as well, your all in bet is correct. It would be very uncommon for a novice player to check top pair twice or a made hand. They love to lead out and bet.

Even by throwing out a feeler bet you can gain information of how strong he is. Granted you should call the raise of he reraises, but if you miss a K, heart, 5, or A after he has bet the turn, you must throw your hand away.

With only 6 people left and having the big stack, your goal is to win the tournament. Finishing any less than first will be a dissapointment. You have the chips to take a gamble, but I cant see this situation as being a gamble you want to make.

I hope this helps.

[Edited on February 21, 2006 at 11:03 AM. Reason : typo]

[Edited on February 21, 2006 at 11:08 AM. Reason : typo times 2]

2/21/2006 11:02:28 AM

you know i usually think that the cash games during the day are way too tight.

but wow.


pilgrimshoes: posts small blind $2
2loser: posts big blind $5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Jh 3h Kc 3c]
sgislander: folds
DeXof: folds
skippy 2: calls $5
Nofxx: calls $5
Scruffy12: folds
Overloadie: calls $5
nvdave: calls $5
rustty: calls $5
pilgrimshoes: calls $3
2loser: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ks 5d Kh]
pilgrimshoes: checks
2loser: checks
skippy 2: checks
Nofxx: bets $5
Overloadie: folds
nvdave: folds
rustty: calls $5
pilgrimshoes: raises $5 to $10
2loser: calls $10
skippy 2: folds
Nofxx: raises $5 to $15
rustty: folds
pilgrimshoes: raises $5 to $20
Betting is capped
2loser: calls $10
Nofxx: calls $2 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Ks 5d Kh] [Ac]
pilgrimshoes: bets $10
2loser: folds
*** RIVER *** [Ks 5d Kh Ac] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pilgrimshoes: shows [Jh 3h Kc 3c] (HI: three of a kind, Kings)
pilgrimshoes collected $6 from side pot
Nofxx: shows [3d 4h Jc 6d] (HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)

i only bet to try and isolate against the low stack.

thought my weak king may be no good, guess it wasnt.

ahah

2/21/2006 11:32:04 AM

wow, wtf was that?

2/21/2006 7:06:59 PM

Quote :

" Royal Queen: -- -- slonesteddy: -- -- graydog: -- -- sooner4life24: -- -- ohiodean: -- -- jackleg512: Kd 8d man_the_dan: -- -- The Hebrew: -- -- hardnfast: -- -- Pre-flop: Royal Queen folds. slonesteddy folds. graydog folds. sooner4life24 folds. ohiodean calls. jackleg512 calls. man_the_dan calls. The Hebrew calls. hardnfast checks. Flop (board: Qd 7h 8h): The Hebrew checks. hardnfast checks. ohiodean checks. jackleg512 bets $.02. man_the_dan calls. The Hebrew folds. hardnfast folds. ohiodean calls. Turn (board: Qd 7h 8h Ac): ohiodean checks. jackleg512 bets $.04. man_the_dan folds. ohiodean folds. jackleg512 is returned $.04 (uncalled). Hand #11636141-17662 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. jackleg512 wins $.16. ---------------------------------------------------------------- "

HOW ABOUT THAT SHIT

2/21/2006 9:08:24 PM

balla pimp shit right there man, haha

2/21/2006 9:11:00 PM

i thought it was funny.

2/21/2006 10:10:04 PM

^^obviously can't take a joke

2/21/2006 10:13:35 PM

suspend

2/21/2006 10:28:52 PM

yeah dude it was a joke, ha ha ha. you know. funny. get over it. im a mod but i can still have fun ok

2/21/2006 10:34:11 PM

i think a one day suspension would be good

2/21/2006 10:37:33 PM

nah, I was kidding. just come off it.

2/21/2006 10:39:28 PM

nah im not a shithead like that. that fag has been trolling me for years

2/21/2006 11:11:13 PM

wait, what happened

2/22/2006 12:43:39 AM

dunno, looks like typhicane finally came out of the closet

2/22/2006 12:58:24 AM

I think my most favored hands are flopping trips, improving to boats, and then improving to quads.

2/22/2006 10:39:16 AM

GAH JUST SHUT UP THATS NOT A STORY

2/22/2006 11:41:57 AM

just won the first HORSE sng I've ever played, realized I really suck at stud, but have pretty good instincts at Razz.

2/22/2006 5:04:33 PM

beginners luck? i got ~6th place first out 4000 entrants once when i signed up for a PLO hi/low freeroll on accident. had never played the game before. i figured i was pretty good but after losing some money at it, i figured it was just beginners luck/freeroll bullshit.

2/23/2006 2:46:08 PM

Well, heres the backround for the story. I go to vet skool on St. Kitts. This year the Marriot on the Island hosted the carribean poker classic. (http://www.caribbeanpokerclassic.com). I can't afford the $6300 buy-in to the main event so I try qualifying for 220 super satalite. There shouldn't be too good a players, and some of the guys i used to play with were pro caliber.
The story: I can only aford the buy-in, and this is a rebuy tourny, starting with 1000 in tourny chips i sit tight, get a few hands, double up 2 or 3 times, up to about 6000. The player in seat three is knocked out (I am in seat 7), and a new player sits down. This player moves all in on the first hand, gets knocked out, rebuys, moves all in, knocked out, rebuys, wins the next hand. The player sits tight for about an hr, mean while the rebuy period ends. The next hand I am delt pocket ducks, flop comes 2, X, 7. Guy in 2nd position raizes about 1/4 his stack, I figure him for AK or so, move all in he calls with A7, draws nothing and is knocked out (My stack is now close to 10,000....10Xs the start amount). Several hands later I am under the gun, and dealt AK off suit. Blinds are 100/200 at this point. I raize to 800. Seats 8,9,1,2 all fold, player in seat 3 calls, player in seat 4 calls. Seats 5 and 6 fold. Flop is 367 rainbow. Seat 3 moves all in, seat 4 folds. The way that player 3 has been playing I put him on AQ, AJ, or a higher pocket pair then the board. At this time there is 2700 in the pot, his all in was for 750, I am getting 4 to 1 on my money, and if my read is correct I have correct pot odds to call. I do call, the cards are turned over, he has A4 off, and is a ~3/2 dog to lose the hand, turn is a Q, River is the 4 for his pair. He doubles up through me, I play as best as i can, and end up losing about 2 hrs later to AJ, with pocket jacks, catching the A on the river. Considering the player in seat three and seat 4 (Mike Kessler, WSOP 05, missed the final table by about 30 or 40 spots out of 5500) I think that would qualify as the best night of poker i've ever played. (PS, Marcel did end up qualifying, but was only there as a promotional thing since he is the chairman of IFP, the company running the tourny, and did not play in the main event) See pics below.

[Edited on February 23, 2006 at 3:02 PM. Reason : b/c i can't spell a URL]

2/23/2006 2:50:59 PM

LOL

2/23/2006 2:51:47 PM

there we go

2/23/2006 2:52:46 PM

that was a bit much don't you think......suprised you have any time to do anything if your gonna take care of ever redundant thread on TWW

2/23/2006 3:00:00 PM

you also went through a lot of effort to post a shitty poker story so i guess we wasted equal time

2/23/2006 3:06:48 PM

i was ibtl

2/23/2006 3:08:26 PM

God, how did i just blow off over $100 during a $3 rebuy

im a donk =(

my new "build the stack of doom beofre the rebuy period is over" didnt work at all.

after the addon, sitting with close to the minimum =(

[Edited on February 23, 2006 at 3:28 PM. Reason : haha ive gotta finish like top 18 to break even. aha]

2/23/2006 3:23:32 PM

i turned 2 into 10 on the penny tables!!1

2/23/2006 3:28:25 PM

woot!


buildin blocks man

2/23/2006 3:29:13 PM

one day ill have enough to play with u guys

and ill be patient enough to win ahhahaha god that took all day

2/23/2006 3:30:21 PM

OK, 2 situations I would like some opinions on.

1) 4 handed in a 10 person SNG. You are on the button with blinds at 300-600. Top 3 pay, so one more gone and you at least cash.
Chipstacks are:
SB: 2700 + 300 SB
BB: 2400 + 600 BB
UTG: 4000
Button (You): 5000
Pot starts with 900 in it. UTG folds and you look down at A2 offsuit. Do you raise or fold, why?

2) 4 handed in a 10 person SNG. You are on the button with blinds at 300-600. Top 3 pay, so one more gone and you at least cash.
Chipstacks are:
SB: 2700 + 300 SB
BB: 2400 + 600 BB
UTG: 4000
Button (You): 5000
Pot starts with 900 in it. UTG folds and you look down at 44. Do you raise or fold, why?

I feel like both are raises, but 1 bad hand and you are small stack. Is this more a texture of the game type thing or do you play them like winners. With 44 you know overcards will fall, so seeing any flop is dangerous. The first one, raising always feels like such a steal, I know the ace is prolly best, but if someone(BB) decides to defend, you can not call...

[Edited on February 23, 2006 at 3:49 PM. Reason : ctrl-c crtl-v]

2/23/2006 3:49:20 PM

definately with the ace... maybe with the fours

most people get hella tight with 4 left so should be able to steal

2/23/2006 5:24:30 PM

dude that was an easy call

but cool who it was against


just seems a bit weird a supposedly great player would just call there with that shitty hand

i mean its all in or fold for a good one

2/23/2006 9:11:07 PM

This is just a humorous series of hands. This Jon guy gets AA in the big blind and slow plays it. Well, he trips up on the flop and I hit middle pair. A little bit of betting goes down, but I know I'm beat and fold after losing about a dollar. Anyways, amazingly enough, 5 hands later, Jon once again gets rockets and slow plays. This time, I hit the second nut flush draw at on the flop, and after some mild betting, hit the nuts on the river as he trips up. I love when people slow play.

***** Hand History for Game 3611076182 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, February 23, 22:12:09 ET 2006
Table Chiplead (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: NutzInYoFace24 ( $28.38 )
Seat 6: DingmanAA ( $40.07 )
Seat 5: jon1263 ( $25.75 )
Seat 2: GoJayhawks ( $10.85 )
Seat 1: Pleesme33 ( $5.85 )
NutzInYoFace24 posts small blind [$0.10].
jon1263 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NutzInYoFace24 [ 7s Qs ]
jon1263: i call big blind, you raise it all in and i will call
DingmanAA folds.
Pleesme33 folds.
NutzInYoFace24 calls [$0.15].
Pleesme33: ok
jon1263 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, Ah, Qh ]
NutzInYoFace24 bets [$0.35].
Pleesme33: in 3 hands from this one
jon1263 calls [$0.35].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
NutzInYoFace24 bets [$0.40].
jon1263: i was hoping for this hand
Pleesme33: not this one
jon1263 raises [$0.80].
NutzInYoFace24 calls [$0.40].
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
Pleesme33: but in 3
NutzInYoFace24 checks.
jon1263 bets [$5].
NutzInYoFace24 folds.
jon1263 shows [ Ad, As ] three of a kind, aces.
jon1263 wins $7.70 from the main pot with three of a kind, aces.***** Hand History for Game 3611107992 *****


$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, February 23, 22:16:27 ET 2006
Table Chiplead (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: NutzInYoFace24 ( $26.98 )
Seat 5: jon1263 ( $22.30 )
Seat 2: GoJayhawks ( $10.85 )
Seat 1: Pleesme33 ( $10.05 )
Seat 4: riverbeeatch ( $25 )
jon1263 posts small blind [$0.10].
NutzInYoFace24 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NutzInYoFace24 [ 5h Kh ]
Pleesme33: my computers messin up
jon1263 calls [$0.15].
NutzInYoFace24 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, Qd, 9h ]
jon1263: sure
jon1263 checks.
NutzInYoFace24 bets [$0.50].
jon1263 calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
jon1263 checks.
NutzInYoFace24 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]
jon1263 checks.
Pleesme33: i sware i mean it dont matter i won
Pleesme33: but what u have
NutzInYoFace24 bets [$1].
jon1263 raises [$5].
jon1263: i dont remember
NutzInYoFace24: fishing ??
NutzInYoFace24 raises [$14].
jon1263 calls [$10].
NutzInYoFace24 shows [ 5h, Kh ] a flush, ace high.
jon1263 doesn't show [ Ad, Ac ] three of a kind, aces.
NutzInYoFace24 wins $30.50 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.
god damn

2/23/2006 10:33:59 PM

Looks like another fellow that finished top 3 in a party mill guaranteed and a winner of a stars 500k has had thier accounts frozen and banned for multi-accounting tournaments.


this was another "big name" up and comming player, a young fellow who last year (i think it was last year) became the youngest to cash on WPT history, at the EPT Deauville.

The kid has made ~300k in only two tournaments on his main alias, now i wonder how many times he's gotten big cashes on hsi other accounts. from what im reading party has tracked 8 aliases to him. Also a 10/20 nl regular.

eeessh.



Have also been reading that many more of the "top MTT pros" have been caught up and already had their accounts cleaned out and banned by party, but their names havent come out yet. itll be interesting to see who is the first to be publicly thrashed for this. AFAIK party never released info to their users after the JJProdigy fiasco.

Im about to leave to go out of town for the weekend, itll be interesting to see where this is later.

[Edited on February 24, 2006 at 12:02 PM. Reason : e]

2/24/2006 11:55:28 AM

everyone hear needs to take serious note of this. I have long since suspected that they could easily detect multiaccounting. Now it is clear why they don't bust you immediately. They wait until you have enough of a roll to make an impact to their revenue. It's not enough to just stop multiaccounting, bc if you have done it in the past they will still be able to freeze your main account, even if your other accounts are empty. This leaves 2 options:
1) write to them, admitting that you have multiple accounts, and ask them to delete your aliases (after you have removed most of your money from all accounts, including your main account), then ask them if you will be given amnesty so you can still play without fear of getting your account frozen

2) use netteller to hold your online roll and only transfer money in when you want to buy into a game.

I know only a few people probably have enough of a roll for this to even matter (i'm not one of them), but just for the sake of discussion......now back to a presentation that's due in about 1hr.

2) seems like an obvious choice, but if you happen to score a big cash they will likely freeze your account before you can empty it. Thus I think 1. is the way to go.

I would hate to score a 6 figure cash just to have it taken from me.

[Edited on February 24, 2006 at 1:00 PM. Reason : dsfsa]

2/24/2006 12:58:51 PM

An amazing comeback yesterday. Down to only 3 chips then had 4 key hands.

Tripled up on Queens utg b4 I would have been blinded out.
Doubled up with Jacks against AQ.
Doubled up again pairing my seven against AQ and KQ.
Won a pot that put me in striking distance with Aces.


After that I could actually play poker. There were 2 situations that came up where I had to go in the tank for a bit.


The first was this guy on my left who clearly decided that as soon as he reached the final table that his "strategy" would be to go all in on every hand. At first I thought it was any 2 face cards until he did it about 4 times in a row. So I decided that I was going to push after he was in the big blind (I figured I'd do it here since I could see if anyone else would call b4 I tried to slow this guy down or at least cripple him a bit). I figured if I made the move before he did it would catch him by surprise and he'd actually have no game plan and just fold having to confront a new situation. I had him covered and if I did win I would be 2nd in chips...if not, well I was playing to win so it was now or never. I look down at 9d6d...not exactly the hand I was hoping for. Anyway I push and he sits there for awhile. Then he like oh well and calls with J8o. I guess he wasnt counting on anyone playing back at him and didnt want to fold for that reason. I'll follow up later b/c i have to go.

2/24/2006 1:08:37 PM

Ok, back to that hand. I hit my 6 on the turn and doubled up but I was still not satisfied with my play because I wasnt sure if it was the best decision for that situation. I was simply trying to say that if he kept on pushing he would get called regardless of what people had. I know at the final table I am supposed to concern myself with being the last of the two people remaining so I can play for the win, but I also felt that sitting there and doing nothing was just as bad. It wasnt necessarily a lack of patience, it was making sure he knew I wasnt going to let him run over me. My goal was to take charge of the situation and I guess I just lucked out on this one. Please, any input or suggestions would be great.


I'll write about the other hand in question at a later time. Thanks!

2/24/2006 1:47:25 PM

Quote :

"homesoy posts the small blind of $.10. jackleg512 posts the big blind of $.25. Pre-flop: Muskego folds. AZ Aces calls. ULTIMATE_MUCK folds. t3po folds. hct24 folds. radarlove519 folds. CASPER 9 folds. homesoy folds. jackleg512 checks. Flop (board: Ac 7d 4d): jackleg512 bets $.60. AZ Aces calls. Turn (board: Ac 7d 4d As): jackleg512 bets $1.80. AZ Aces goes all-in for $12.35. jackleg512 goes all-in for $6.80. AZ Aces is returned $5.55 (uncalled). River (board: Ac 7d 4d As 2c): (no action in this round) Showdown: AZ Aces shows Kc Ks. AZ Aces has Kc Ks Ac 7d As: two pair, aces and kings. jackleg512 shows 7c 7h. jackleg512 has 7c 7h Ac 7d As: full house, sevens full of aces. Hand #11534742-20743 Summary: $.75 is raked from a pot of $15.40. jackleg512 wins $14.65 with full house, sevens full of aces. ----------------------------------------------------------------"

BIGGEST WIN OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111

dude tried to slowplay me big time

[Edited on February 26, 2006 at 12:15 AM. Reason : ...]

2/25/2006 11:57:40 PM

Quote :

" jackleg512: Ah Js Pre-flop: ULTIMATE_MUCK folds. t3po folds. hct24 folds. radarlove519 calls. CASPER 9 folds. homesoy folds. jackleg512 calls. loudel folds. xoleras folds. AZ Aces checks. Flop (board: Ks Qh Td): AZ Aces bets $.85. radarlove519 folds. jackleg512 calls. Turn (board: Ks Qh Td 4h): AZ Aces bets $2.55. jackleg512 raises to $5.10. AZ Aces calls. River (board: Ks Qh Td 4h 9h): AZ Aces goes all-in for $2.05. jackleg512 calls. Showdown: AZ Aces shows 3s Kd. AZ Aces has Kd Ks Qh Td 9h: a pair of kings. jackleg512 shows Ah Js. jackleg512 has Ah Js Ks Qh Td: straight, ace high. Hand #11534742-20765 Summary: $.80 is raked from a pot of $16.85. jackleg512 wins $16.05 with straight, ace high. ----------------------------------------------------------------"

same dude, i know the stories are lame but im excited about moving up in the money world finally haha

2/26/2006 12:16:58 AM

Hey pilgrimshoes, you ever gonna let us know how that one hand worked out?

2/26/2006 1:25:10 AM

leg with that last hand u gotta be careful

while the min raise is sneaky

if he had 2 hearts he had the odds to call that minreraise to draw to the flush

2/26/2006 1:27:22 AM

tru dat. i kinda figured he'd either go all in or fold there, just cause of how he had been playing. but i dont really get the odds he had there based on what was in the pot, or any pot odds for that matter. like when people say theyre getting 4:1 on their call etc. can you show me some math for that last pot so i see what youre talking about better?

2/26/2006 4:38:38 AM

ok, so at the point you raised him, the pot is 9.85, and he has to pay 2.55 to see the river. So you say he's getting 3.86:1 (9.85/2.55) on that pot. To figure his chances on making a flush (given he has 4 to a flush on the turn) you simply take the number of outs he has (9) and the number of unseen cards (46) and you get 4.11:1 (37/9). Since his pot odds aren't as good as his odds on making his hand, he should fold. That is, unless you figure in implied odds. If he calls that 2.55 on the turn, and figures he can get you to call his 2.05 bet on the river if he makes his hand, he can win 11.90 by that call. So, he's getting implied pot odds of 4.67:1 (11.90/2.55). Therefore since his pot odds are better than his odds of making his hand, he should call.

2/26/2006 6:10:24 AM

word thanks

so if i was gonna raise i should have put him all in? or would that have given him the odds too? i was pretty certain he wasnt drawing on hearts... the third one didnt bother me at all, like it sometimes would have

hmm i guess i need to read up on that some more. i usually dont draw on flushes or straights unless there are a few other people in the hand. and i guess i should definitely keep an eye on that to make sure im not giving anyone a "free" river card etc. can anyone recommend a good book with a section on pot odds and implied odds?

[Edited on February 26, 2006 at 9:48 AM. Reason : ...]

2/26/2006 9:47:55 AM

they see me folllllllllllden'

they checkin'

callin'

tryin to catch me playin dirtay



this is scrumples idea but i thought it was funny

2/26/2006 11:10:28 AM

Travis, in my opinion, it is very difficult to play against a short stack, cause the range of hands they might have is often absurd. We've all seen the loose cannons who sit down and raise with any hand, call any bet, etc. They are annoying because they are virtually impossible to read, and they often take down a lot of hands. Fortunately, they are very easy to trap, just as long as you can wait them out a bit. My point is, when people are faced with a short stack situation, they often revert to this "loose cannon" mentality. Hell, I do it when I'm short stacked.

Say for instance you are sitting at 250 chips in a tourney where everyone starts with 2000 chips, so basically 1/8 of the buy-in. The blinds are at 50/100, so it's not looking good for you. You're obviously looking for an all-in hand, hopefully A-high kicker or a nice pocket pair, but the fact is, you have to make a move. At this point, I personally throw any pot odds out the window. My stack isn't scary enough to make anyone fold, and if I get a hand I like, regardless of whether I think I'm beat, I'm not going to fold it. As a matter of fact, if there is a lot of preflop action, maybe a few people in the pot, I will often push with any 2 cards, (especially if I think they are live cards) just on the chance to quadruple up or better.

The fact is, in the hand in question, that guy is not going to fold his hand to any bet. It doesn't matter what you bet, he will call. And odds are, with his small stack, you are not going to fold your straight even if he represents the flush. Maybe if his all-in was $10 vice $2, but with a pot like that, there's no way you fold.

Generally, I do not advocate a minimum reraise in very many situations, but in this one, I do, but only because of his stack size. You want him to get pot committed. Like I said, you have the nuts after the turn in a hand where a guy has already committed over $3.50 of his $8.00. If you just call, and then the flush hits and he goes all-in, then the right play for you (IMO) is probably to fold. If you go all-in, maybe he realizes he is beat and folds. You WANT him to call your bet, because by calling that bet he has committed himself to calling any bet on the river (unless he was on a busted draw).

2/26/2006 12:25:10 PM

my chip count was around 9000
this chick had about 30,000
i had pocket kings and went all in
she called with 8-3offsuit
and she caught 2 pair
i was slightly pissed off

2/26/2006 10:08:32 PM

Anyone know any poker games in Indian Trail, NC. Low stakes, nothing overly serious. Hours that people that work full time(8-5) can attend and still get some sleep if on weekdays.

I tried to look at home poker games or whatever the site was, could not find it, the one I did find would not load.

2/27/2006 2:20:29 PM

Heads up razz tournaments have to be the easiest thing to beat online. I'm sure it's a higher percentage for the higher buy-ins, but at 20+1 I have at least a 50% chance of going against someone who has no idea what they're doing. Being that it's limit, unless I get extremely unlucky in a number of the big hands that show down, I can almost always beat a bad player. Then against the 50% of people who actually know what they're doing it's just a coinflip for who wins. I've only been fucking around with the game for like a week, but it's really simple and intuitive to play correctly(HU that is).




[Edited on February 28, 2006 at 3:21 AM. Reason : .]

2/28/2006 3:18:04 AM

full tilt?

2/28/2006 4:05:58 AM

yup, I have like a 70% win rate there

2/28/2006 4:06:51 AM