so y'all are in favor of destroying all $1 bills and quarters as well?

6/15/2020 1:30:13 PM

Absolutely.

6/15/2020 1:31:26 PM

look at all those slave masters posing on your dollars

6/15/2020 1:31:49 PM

Remember when Harriet Tubman was gonna be on the $20?

Good times.

6/15/2020 1:32:40 PM

for real, though

do you care more about the value of the bill or whose picture is on said bill?

6/15/2020 1:34:20 PM

The dollar is the only bill not updated in the last 20 years so yea seems like an easy one to tweak. The quarter has had constant updates.



If people are OK with tearing down stone monuments and changing the names of cities and states, why would you think changing the ink on some paper would be a test?

[Edited on June 15, 2020 at 1:35 PM. Reason : E]

6/15/2020 1:34:27 PM

I use plastic.

6/15/2020 1:35:04 PM

I just wonder how many people are actually in favor of changing the names of cities and states

6/15/2020 1:37:38 PM

They could rename Raleigh to Doucheville, and I wouldn't give a shit.

6/15/2020 1:39:59 PM

Oh you said "as well" I assumed you directing that at people in favor of changes?

6/15/2020 1:40:01 PM

This is America.

We won't just change the name of the cities.

We'll sell it off like an arena name. Washington state will now be known as Amazonia.

6/15/2020 1:40:58 PM

You're crazy if you don't think Florida would vastly undercut Washington for those rights

[Edited on June 15, 2020 at 1:48 PM. Reason : E]

6/15/2020 1:48:31 PM

do we destroy half of mt rushmore? i'm just saying it's a lot easier for people to get behind removing Robert E Lee statues than renaming the nation's capital.

6/15/2020 1:56:59 PM

What happened to money

6/15/2020 2:00:37 PM

So are you agnostic, or in favor of scrubbing Washington's name and likeness from literally everything?

6/15/2020 2:11:31 PM

Give Mt. Rushmore back to the Lakota Sioux and let them decide what to do with it.

6/15/2020 2:13:12 PM

^^can we stay on topic about money


Note that I don't really care just funny how quickly that line of questioning was abandoned

[Edited on June 15, 2020 at 2:24 PM. Reason : E]

6/15/2020 2:20:44 PM

So you're for changing currency but against renaming the capital? Or just incapable of discussing nuance?

The question is "how far do we go" since you're having trouble piecing my posts together

[Edited on June 15, 2020 at 2:26 PM. Reason : . ]

6/15/2020 2:25:11 PM

I gave my position on the last page. Other people have already said yes to like everything you've asked. Logistically changing money is probably the easiest of any of the things mentioned, other than maybe cheap statues. Which is why it's funny you brought it up as an escalation.

[Edited on June 15, 2020 at 2:29 PM. Reason : E]

6/15/2020 2:28:46 PM

I'm just thinking more about overall opinion, it seems obvious what the tww vacuum seems to think.

6/15/2020 2:41:51 PM

we wouldnt have to fix any of this if we had tackled climate change

6/15/2020 3:06:15 PM

Or if that kid hadn't climbed in Harambe's pen

6/15/2020 3:08:19 PM

Are gifs allowed in TSB

6/15/2020 3:10:50 PM

Anyone who asks where do we draw a line is over complicating this because accepting how easy this entire proposal is means that they would have to do something about it. These how far do we go arguments are as stupid as they are helpful.

It’s about what things (monuments, counties, army bases, whatever) represent and the message that that the item sends to those who sees and experiences those things. Also the degree to which that message makes individuals feel unsafe, which is a rather important point when it comes to public spaces, most of which are funded by tax dollars by all individuals.

Monuments that say to honor our confederate dead is a clear line. When people see monuments such as that it sends a message that we honor the confederacy and, by proxy, things for which they stood. When people look at a dollar bill, they think about the greater things that Washington did, not that he held slaves. The dollar bill is not offending citizens who have the right to feel as equal as other born citizens, and thus does not require change. A county being named after a Confederate solider does not elicit the same degree of discomfort, and sometimes fear, as a Confederate flag at a state capitol. Faces on Mt. Rushmore does not given a significant portion of the United States pause when looking at it as being asked to support the mascot “The Rebels” as many black middle school and high school students are.

The lines of where we stop are pretty easy to gauge. Lines aren’t even the slightest bit blurry. There are some memorializations out there that overtly signify to a sizable portion of the United States that they are not as equally valued, wanted, or respected as other members of society and that is not right.

So if it is still unclear to those asking ‘how far do we go’ and ‘where does it end’ I will explain it really clearly for you. We remove items that honor people who openly advocated for the subjugation of an entire race of people and whose words, actions, and responsibilities are immediately and clearly associated with white supremacy and rebellion to enforce that supremacy by those who reflect upon that form of memorial.

6/15/2020 4:46:18 PM

Quote :

"Update: A New Mexico man was shot during a clash between individuals trying to take down a controversial sculpture and five or six heavily armed “New Mexico Civil Guard” members, who said they were “protecting” the monument. #nmleg https://t.co/oyPzeIzNwv"

6/16/2020 12:01:16 AM

that is going to become more and more common as we stagger towards this election

there will be a doubling down since "the left is abolishing the police" and will widen the net of things they claim to be "protecting"

but i suppose this goes in the right-wing radical thread

6/16/2020 9:05:44 AM

https://www.wral.com/petition-to-knock-down-fayetteville-market-house-has-over-115k-signatures/19147963/

Does the Market House in Fayetteville have significance other than being a location where slaves were sold during the Civil War?

6/17/2020 2:00:00 PM

The Fayetteville Observer wrote a pretty good history. Sounds like they've tried to tear it down a few times to unfuck traffic, but the United Daughters of the Confederacy objects - probably a good indicator of which side of history it's on.

https://www.fayobserver.com/news/20200617/fayettevilles-market-house-part-1-accounts-of-slave-auctions-under-arches

6/17/2020 2:59:47 PM

Two Raleigh statues just came down.

6/19/2020 9:32:27 PM

2 down, a gajillion more to go

6/19/2020 9:35:23 PM

fuck yes

6/19/2020 9:45:38 PM

For tt

Quote :

"Happy Juneteenth. Let’s remove slaveowners from our currency. Many thanks. "

https://twitter.com/curlycomedy/status/1274099982514229248?s=19

6/20/2020 11:28:50 AM

Heck yeah, Grant

6/20/2020 12:29:37 PM

Apparently small group of protesters and larger group of anti remove confederate statue in graham, nc

I believe a man was lynched in court square in the 1800’s. Was first african american to hold some county gov position

6/20/2020 9:34:11 PM

^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyatt_Outlaw

6/21/2020 12:51:51 AM

https://twitter.com/leightauss/status/1274671117853220867?s=21

Can’t tell if this is right now but another very unsightly one coming down..

6/21/2020 8:25:49 AM

I’m happy to see that monument go. I pass it several times a week and am continually baffled by such an overt tie to racism in such a prominent position on state funded land.

I also think it is interesting that people view removal of these statues as a complicated and nuanced issued. It isn’t. Recently, I’ve been thinking back to when I was in fourth grade and we had friends visiting us from our old town to where we moved. We drove past the court house and my parent’s friends- white in case it matters, which it shouldn’t, but someone here will assuredly make an assumption to the contrary- asked “Is that a confederate statue?!?” My parents responded with a ‘Yes’, which confused me and I asked “But they were the bad guys, right?”, to which my parents also responded with a ‘Yes.”

It’s an almost yo Holmes to Bel Aire length story but what it symbolizes to me is that even a 4th grader can comprehend that these statues should not be up.

6/22/2020 8:41:56 AM

https://www.wral.com/money-for-raleigh-african-american-monuments-on-hold-after-confederate-monuments-removed/19156482/

Heritage not hate etc

6/23/2020 9:28:18 PM

That’s an unfortunate (and childish) move, but I’m substantially more okay with removing the confederate monuments and not gaining the African American ones than leaving the confederacy appreciation monuments in place.

6/24/2020 8:30:36 AM

N&O video of the 75ft monument on the capitol grounds being removed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnzOWajZLzQ

6/24/2020 1:09:27 PM

stonewall jackson in richmond

7/2/2020 12:03:10 PM

they gonna blow up Stone Mountain

7/5/2020 5:47:31 PM

http://twitter.com/johnedwinmason/status/1417156191302688772

Quote :

" In her powerful new book, No Common Ground, @DrKarenLCox makes an analogy I wish I'd thought of: Removing Confederate statues from our national landscape "is no more an act of erasing history than removing" "whites only" signs from parks, restaurants, libraries, restrooms, etc."

a perfect analogy

7/19/2021 2:29:42 PM

https://indyweek.com/news/northcarolina/no-right-way-to-tear-down-oppressive-systems-the-risks-of-toppling-confederate-monuments/

I enjoyed this story and had no idea of the work it took to take the statues down at the Capitol

4/18/2023 12:41:44 PM

I'm absolutely in favor of taking down confederate statues. Put em in a museum, auction them to fund museums, I don't care.

But I disagree with the idea of taking down founding fathers who owned slaves. It comes down to why we 'venerate' them. The confederacy is built upon the idea of defending slavery, it is its main principle. The main principle of the Founding Fathers was not to defend slavery.

Jefferson in particular struggled with the entire concept. While he did believe slavery to be a criminal institution, he knew it as his only livelihood, and justified it to himself in that his example would not do anything but bankrupt him. Funnily enough, Jefferson himself had inherited a large amount of debts from his father in law. At the same time, he pushed for the gradual abolishing of slavery, and for educating and increasing literacy among slaves. He supported banning the import of slaves to begin with.

A quote from the first page of this thread by a confederate leader details this:

Quote :

"The prevailing ideas entertained by [Thomas Jefferson] and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically."

And I think that's a perspective that should absolutely be taught among schools and made a focus. Our founding fathers were flawed, but they were. Our nation is flawed, but it is. And humanity is flawed, and will forever be.

[Edited on April 18, 2023 at 3:25 PM. Reason : -]

4/18/2023 3:24:40 PM

Take this shit down.

4/18/2023 8:16:40 PM

Why?

4/18/2023 9:21:57 PM

I'm talking about the Confederate monuments. Tear them down!

I've been to Germany multiple times and never saw anybody flying any Swastika flags from their houses or any monuments to the Third Reich.

4/18/2023 10:05:39 PM

Have you seen that clip of a classroom discussion on the confederate flag?

https://youtu.be/WQxM_EK5aiM

watch this, wait until the star wars kid speaks

bro eliminates boy

4/18/2023 10:19:39 PM

^^

in agreement, but to be fair over there doing that is banned
denying the holocaust is banned
I remember reading that some asian tourists were arrested for doing the nazi salute

free speech, it is one of things about america that makes it great but also sets it back in some respects

4/18/2023 10:27:24 PM