RW just silently thanks Jesus for every first down

1/11/2015 2:04:11 PM

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"You're right, I don't personally know Cam Newton. Celebrating every first down run with cocky arm gesture /= humility Throwing off of back foot when not being hurried /= discipline RW has the better defense. I'll give him that. Both teams have mediocre O-lines and average receivers. "

his mechanics need work and need to be more consistent. for sure. and his 4th year in the league, you'd really think he'd able to have that down pat.

even if he lacks humility - is that the mark of a bad QB? that's just my issue. who cares if he celebrates first downs and touchdowns?

1/11/2015 2:08:19 PM

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"Celebrating every first down run with cocky arm gesture /= humility"

he's playing a goddamn game. god forbid he gets excited when he's successful.

if only he were a consummate professional like Tom Brady and got in refs faces while screaming at the top of his lungs. so much humility.

[Edited on January 11, 2015 at 2:11 PM. Reason : aren't you the dude who said he was disappointed in Russell Wilson for getting divorced?]

1/11/2015 2:09:31 PM

A first down is a minor accomplishment that happens dozens of times a game.

1/11/2015 2:20:12 PM

i can see how fans wouldn't like newton's celebrations. but that doesn't make him a bad QB and it really has little bearing on his overall ability to play QB and reach that next level of play. that's an inconsequential criticism, really.

1/11/2015 2:26:11 PM

he only does it when he runs for a first down, btw. it's not like he throws a 2 yard pass and stewart takes it 8 more yards and cam runs downfield to celebrate.

1/11/2015 2:35:28 PM

Steve smith spins the ball every time he gets a first down, don't remember many people criticizing him for it.

1/11/2015 2:37:22 PM

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"cocky arm gesture"

1/11/2015 2:42:10 PM

Here is what I meant, Treetwista.

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"Celebrating every personal first down run with cocky arm gesture /= humility"

I know I'm not going to win this argument with you people. We'll see in the next few years when he is still making the same mistakes.

1/11/2015 2:55:32 PM

well a "personal" first down doesn't happen dozens of times per game

i wish people would criticize newton's mechanics and decision making more than his personality

1/11/2015 3:00:32 PM

1/11/2015 3:02:34 PM

^^exactly. you can make very legitimate criticisms about his play. not his celebrations

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"Steve smith spins the ball every time he gets a first down, don't remember many people criticizing him for it."

for whatever reasons, quarterbacks are held to a high standard when it comes to celebrating

1/11/2015 3:06:27 PM

What rubs people the wrong way about Cam is what he represents.

He represents a culture that is "me first". I'm skating on thin ice because there are undertones of racism. But it's not racism, because you have Russell Wilson. So more like cultural bias.

Cam needs to understand that when it comes to being a leader, the "me first" attitude will only hinder him. He needs humility and he needs to put his priorities in order.

Get the fuck off the Belk's catwalk and get in the film room. Work on your mechanics. Get a fricken sports psychologist and learn how to communicate (including non verbal).

He's got all the talent to be a top tier QB. But I worry he'll underachieve- at the cost of the Panthers.

1/11/2015 10:15:01 PM

People have preconceived notions about Cam reinforced by the media that they don't care to actually verify.

Like the idea that he puts a towel over his head when he's sulking and the team is losing, or that he sits by himself on the bench instead of talking to teammates and coaches.

Both of those things are total bullshit but since they reinforce the narrative that people who have, let's call it, a natural disposition to hate Cam people believe it anyway. He's not "One of the good 'un's" like Wilson is.

[Edited on January 11, 2015 at 10:42 PM. Reason : ]

1/11/2015 10:42:22 PM

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"But it's not racism, because you have Russell Wilson."

Didn't you hear? We have a black president and also Oprah. So racism is over.

1/11/2015 10:49:54 PM

I'm not saying that racism is dead. Far from it.

And racism does come into play, in terms of level of resentment.

PS- I have a friend who's a black.

1/12/2015 12:00:08 AM

I definitely buy that it's "cultural bias" or whatever you wanna call it. People, like others have said, have preconceived notions. Like the talk of him needing to get in the film room more and get off the Belk catwalk. Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning are in all kinds of commercials. Obviously they've won Super Bowls. But Being in commercials or endorsing shit does not necessarily hinder a player from still putting in the hours studying film and practicing. His mechanics are inconsistent - throwing off his back foot and stuff like that sometimes, even when he has time in the pocket. That's discouraging because he's now been in the league 4 years and you'd hope that a correctable issue like that would have been better addressed so far.

But you can say, Cam needs to work on his mechanics. Without saying "and get off the catwalk at Belks". Those two things are mutually exclusive. All good QBs have endorsements and stuff. Being in commercials is not indicative of times spent not practicing. There are plenty of fair criticisms to make about his game without resorting to the preconceived, unfounded notions (or "cultural bias") we hear so much about. Just say, "Cam needs to be a more consistent and accurate passer. This problem is probably due to his inconsistent mechanics" instead of falling into the trap of saying "Cam's mechanics suck because he does commercials instead of practicing"

The "me-first" stuff is bullshit to. What's the basis for it? He does TD and 1st down celebrations? That's not selfish. There haven't really been any kind of locker room issues that have to come light since Cam's been the QB. You don't hear teammates saying stuff bad about him. As far as the lockerroom and his teammates go, it would seem that he's respected as a leader of the team. So I don't see the basis for the "selfish" criticism. Again, that's part of the preconceived notions people have about him that are unfounded.

[Edited on January 12, 2015 at 8:21 AM. Reason : d]

1/12/2015 8:18:06 AM

@dmspack point taken on the endorsements and the film room. I'll conceded that.

I guess I'm in the camp that to be a great leader you need to have certain traits. That said, there will always be exceptions to that rule. Not everyone has to be like Steve Jobs to be a visionary. The same goes for QB.

I'm not in the trade Cam camp, but I worry that he's going to break the bank and make it that the Panthers won't be able to sign anyone else. Why do I think that? Because Cam acts more like a receiver (see Rod Tidwell) than a bring-your-lunch type like Russell* or Peyton.

* Yes, Russell is about to be the highest paid QB, but Seattle is practically getting an on-field OC.

But I'll end w/ some positives about Cam:
- He doesn't drink. It may not sound like a big deal, but he's in his early-mid 20s, good looking, famous, and wealthy.

- He's maturing. He doesn't sulk and pout like he did the first 2 years.

- His refusal of pain meds. I don't really know why I like this, but it's kinda like the alcohol thing. He wants a clear mind.

- His peers. I'll take Cam over Dalton, Kaep, Cutler, and co.

This all may be a moot point since Jerry Richardson has ran this franchise into the ground. Since he got his new shiny pig heart, he's lost his mind. This is our biggest issue, not Cam. Our owner has gone downhill and his "get off my lawn" and "address me as Mr. Richardson" reputation scares off FAs who don't want to work for a pissed off, Fox News listening, old bitter white man.

1/12/2015 9:02:41 AM

Pretty sure guys that get hit in the head for a living don't give a fuck who signs their million dollar pay checks

Also, RW is nowhere near the OC-on-the-field that Peyton is. Peyton, who does more commercials than any athlete in the world. Is that why he played like shit yesterday? Or is he such a good QB, that historically in the postseason, he tries to do TOO much. While guys like RW and Rodgers spout the "we're going to prepare like every other game" line, Peyton obsesses over postseason games, and ends up trying to do too much, then losing.

/tangent

1/12/2015 9:20:07 AM

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"- His peers. I'll take Cam over Dalton, Kaep, Cutler, and co. "

I agree. And I think his upcoming contract is gonna be interesting. Because above average Qbs are certainly at a premium. That's why see Flacco (he has won a Super Bowl, obviously), Dalton, and guys like that get locked up for such big contracts. Paying a slightly above average QB a ton of money is the better/safer option than saving money on a cheap, unproven QB. Because unless you get lucky with a Russell Wilson, a 3rd round pick on his rookie contract, balling at QB you're most likely gonna have a shitty QB situation unless you spend the money on a guy like Newton. It sucks because it does lock up so much money, but you kinda have to do it unless you wanna take your chances with a Ryan Fitzpatrick or Kyle Orton-type veteran.

1/12/2015 9:43:57 AM

Salary cap is about to go up. What looks like an outrageous deal now will probably seem like a bargain in 2 years.

1/12/2015 1:36:02 PM

[Edited on March 31, 2015 at 12:27 PM. Reason : http://deadspin.com/small-child-cam-newton-is-not-elite-1694739478?]

3/31/2015 12:01:00 PM

lol wtf

[Edited on March 31, 2015 at 12:18 PM. Reason : middle/elementary schoolers are funny]

3/31/2015 12:18:06 PM

hey they published my letter!

3/31/2015 12:19:06 PM

That reads a lot like a face post

3/31/2015 1:13:38 PM

I lol'd at the letter

3/31/2015 3:57:47 PM

Haha saw a clip of them interviewing this kid on the news.

"I know when the Panthers play they are either gonna win or they are gonna lose, he isn't reliable"

LOL good analysis here kid, Peter King would be proud.

3/31/2015 11:31:25 PM

first bump of the (pre)season

8/22/2015 7:49:41 PM

Throwing awfully high tonight

8/28/2015 8:46:41 PM

true but he's also not getting any help from his stone hand receivers

8/28/2015 8:56:29 PM

I don't really know what people expect from OSU receivers. None of them can catch.

8/28/2015 10:12:51 PM

Cam was over 60% on 28 attempts despite at LEAST 4 drops

Most of his overthrows were on the first 2 drives. Wish he could start faster though.

[Edited on August 28, 2015 at 10:22 PM. Reason : .]

8/28/2015 10:19:54 PM

Lol white knighting for Cam.

8/28/2015 11:09:27 PM

If you want the Panthers to have a different QB, you, will, pay, too, much

WAXHAW

8/28/2015 11:11:02 PM

oh we back

10/18/2015 4:25:54 PM

only needs 4 more INTs to pass Rex Grossman, Jason Campbell, and Steve Spurrier on the all-time list

(might happen today )

10/18/2015 4:34:32 PM

Where does he rank all time in rushing TDs by a QB?

[Edited on October 18, 2015 at 4:51 PM. Reason : 8 more to tie Otto Graham for 1st all time?]

10/18/2015 4:48:36 PM

Cam should voluntarily bench himself any time he faces Kam. Although on that last int. Kam got lucky.

10/18/2015 6:07:14 PM

Cam, if you're reading this, you redeemed yourself and I am proud of you

10/18/2015 7:19:35 PM

"Sorry Pam Oliver, I gotta go read Forte's thread before this interview"

10/18/2015 7:21:19 PM

he couldn't have been any more perfect in the 4th quarter

this thread needs to go away forever

10/18/2015 7:29:11 PM

sup

10/25/2015 10:42:22 PM

Post here when Funchess drops another pass

10/25/2015 10:45:24 PM

This thread has been great this season

10/25/2015 10:53:43 PM

i only hope Forte can eventually get over his overt racism. I feel bad for him.

[Edited on October 25, 2015 at 11:43 PM. Reason : looking forward to seeing Forte in his underwear at the Tampa game next season]

10/25/2015 11:41:48 PM

Man it's so nice when there's a game when things don't bounce your way (2 of those picks were crazy coincidence and the other was an unbelievable play on a pretty good throw) AND the refs are against you (Seriously refs? Since when can you throw flags after review?) but still ends up with a W.

Panthers didn't play a great game but still ended up with a W. Makes me feel good about this team.

10/25/2015 11:51:22 PM

4 touchdown passes

in the first half

#ironicbttt

11/22/2015 2:17:21 PM

I'm a firm believer that Jameis is slightly better than Cam

very similar players, only major difference I'm sure Jameis had a higher Wonderlic score

11/22/2015 3:16:38 PM

they're not really similar at all. Jameis is a pocket passer.

[Edited on November 22, 2015 at 3:22 PM. Reason : oh because they're both black]

11/22/2015 3:21:55 PM

They're both thugs.

11/22/2015 3:51:49 PM