1. Take money you were going to spend on gun and pay someone in jail to kill stalker
2.....
3. Profit.

8/6/2014 1:50:17 PM

^^ I have rope, a gloves, and a knife in my truck, I think that's the cops being creative with their reporting.

This guy just sounds like a creepy old man, not a violent criminal. Being in a college dorm is probably the lowest statistical risk group for being victimized by a 70 year old man.

It doesn't make Sense to me for the college to grant an exemption in this case, from what seems to me to be an little bit too much paranoia.

I sympathize with her situation, but she's better spending her efforts trying to cope with her own feelings of trauma rather than regressing to living in fear.

8/6/2014 9:23:44 PM

have you also violated a restraining order after stalking someone for years? yes? you're creepy as shit.

8/6/2014 9:35:37 PM

Quote :

"Thinking back to my friends when they were freshman, I really wouldn't want anyone to have a gun nearby. I understand the school not wanting them on campus, but this girl should be allowed to live off campus and keep one in her car, similar to NCSUs policy. "

Freshman are mostly moot; you can't own a handgun before 21, let alone have a CCP. You also can't carry if you're drinking, regardless of age.

I think that most people aren't really advocated for guns in the dorms, either. It's more of an issue of not being able to live off campus and drive to campus with your gun in your car, and I think many think that you should be able to CC in class, walking around campus, etc.


Also, when did NCSU set that policy of allowing them in cars? That was not the case a few years ago.

8/7/2014 10:37:32 AM

Oct 1, 2013

[Edited on August 7, 2014 at 10:42 AM. Reason : state law, not NCSU policy]

8/7/2014 10:42:34 AM

^
Unless I'm mistaken, the NC Legislature passed that last year in a law that let you take guns into bars and other areas.

8/7/2014 10:42:39 AM

ha, still using suggestive language about that bill, eh? Bars... we just can't say restaurants, can we? Because that's what the bill was about and even informally called.

[Edited on August 7, 2014 at 11:03 AM. Reason : bill/section. it was a separate bill at one time]

8/7/2014 11:02:38 AM

and they can still prohibit carry by posting signs

8/7/2014 11:04:30 AM

http://www.wral.com/goldsboro-woman-shoots-suspected-burglar/13874378/

so this was my first gf I ever had in like Middle School.

Thank God the laws and what not were changed awhile back to where she won't even be charged.

Goes to show that responsible gun owners get it.

8/7/2014 3:23:30 PM

This dude?

8/7/2014 3:31:56 PM

^^
1) what laws would have charged her?
2) there's no one who would want to prosecute someone in her situation for defending herself.

8/7/2014 5:04:08 PM

the law now protects her from a civil suit by the burglar's family

8/7/2014 6:52:43 PM

an aggressive DA still could have charged her for going out there with a gun, and yes people get prosecuted for similar all the time

[Edited on August 7, 2014 at 7:12 PM. Reason : .]

8/7/2014 7:11:54 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/texas-dad-accused-murdering-drunk-driver-killed-sons-found-guilty-article-1.1919158

So a drunk driver kills a dad's 2 sons. The drunk driver ends up shot to death. Dad is charged, and acquitted.

I don't really have a problem with this outcome. Even if there were more evidence, it's the jury's right to acquit him if they see fit.

8/27/2014 5:35:34 PM

they could have video of him holding up two forms of photo ID and shooting the drunk driver in the back of the head as he pleads for his life and i wouldn't have a problem with that outcome

8/27/2014 10:50:32 PM

Quote :

"Even if there were more evidence, it's the jury's right to acquit him if they see fit."

I can think of another thread where you won't be singing this tune.

8/27/2014 10:52:11 PM

What thread would that be, miss Cleo?

8/27/2014 11:09:51 PM

Responsible gun owner and instructor gives adorable 9 year old girl an uzi, little girl gets her first kill:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/charles-vacca-shooting-instructor_n_5721644.html

8/29/2014 1:51:22 PM

ironic. i wouldn't have called him responsible at all.

also:
* the age limit should have been much higher to begin with
* this kid's parent(s) are idiots
* the instructor was out of his mind to switch to automatic - at the -very least- he should have been helping her hold it (she shouldn't have been there at all, IMO)
a lot of irresponsible parties are involved here.

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2014 2:47:18 PM

His point was that even a "responsible" person can make deadly mistakes. You, and most people, likely would have viewed that gun instructor as a responsible gun owner, before this happened.

No one is ever perfect, it only takes 1 screwup with a gun for someone to be dead, and it could have been you, me, or anyone making those mistakes.

8/29/2014 3:24:12 PM

with this case as an example? nah. i'd never give a 9 year old any real gun, much less an uzi.

his "point" was to add to his own narrative and take a shot at people that are responsible. it was a pretty transparent post.

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 3:43 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2014 3:41:57 PM

No word yet if the family was able to enjoy any of the tasty burgers at the Bullets and Burgers establishment.

8/29/2014 3:46:13 PM

before this happened, any of you nuts would have called him a responsible gun owner. lots of responsible gun owners take their small children shooting, the NRA encourages it.

so no, you don't get to respond by saying "oh, well this specific guy is irresponsible, but we can trust all the other responsible gun owners!"

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 4:34 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2014 4:33:31 PM

to be fair, taking a kid shooting versus letting them shoot an automatic uzi aren't the same thing, and i think even some "gun nuts" would be smart enough not to do the latter.

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2014 4:36:52 PM

go to youtube, it's really not uncommon

8/29/2014 4:39:08 PM

i have no doubt that this isn't the only case of this happening, I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, i just don't think it's fair to think that all "gun nuts" are this dumb.

8/29/2014 4:46:55 PM

this site only has the good kind of gun nuts, we should ignore the rest

(it also doesn't change my point that before this happened, this guy would have been described by anyone here as a responsible gun owner, i think you are missing the point)

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2014 4:48:45 PM

this probably wasn't the first time he let a kid shoot an automatic weapon, so if that's the case, i never wouldn't have called him responsible before this

8/29/2014 4:52:20 PM

That 9-year old uzi thing has been weighing on my mind pretty heavily. poor kid has long hard road ahead of her in getting over this... not to mention the instructor and his family. This kind of thing should have been common sense. an automatic weapon is dangerous ad can get out of control very easily for someone not used to shooting one. Hell, I don't trust myself enough to shoot one without a ton of practice before switching to auto.



[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 5:09 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2014 5:06:51 PM

The point is.... gun owners are always responsible....up until the moment that they aren't.



Anyway, he's dead, so it doesn't really matter anymore.


As a general rule of thumb: If you give a small child an automatic weapon, you kinda deserve whatever comes next.

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 5:08 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2014 5:06:54 PM

Quote :

" This kind of thing should have been common sense."

Why? Lots of people would say its common sense to do in the safe environment of a range with parents and an instructor happening. Lots of other people would say it's common sense to not allow a 9 year old to shoot any gun. Why is it common sense?

8/29/2014 5:12:30 PM

Not the first time this has happened, and not the youngest child either.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27399337/ns/us_news-life/t/boy-accidentally-kills-self-gun-show/#.U_3vY8VdV8E

Quote :

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

At a gun show, surrounded by hundreds of responsible gun owners!

8/29/2014 5:12:46 PM

You know what the funny thing is?

If you go to the fair, or a carnival....The squirt gun games (where you shoot water into a clowns face or something) are all firmly attached to the booth, so as to prevent people from getting other people wet.



Go to a hamburger/shooting range, and, hey, no worries...give a 9 year old girl an automatic UZI and a slap on the back, and she's good to go!

8/29/2014 5:17:47 PM

Quote :

"Why is it common sense?"

i know that we disagree on a lot of things, but handing a 9 year old a fully automatic weapon seems like a bad idea to MY common sense. If you disagree that's fine.

8/29/2014 5:28:41 PM

if even this guy was a "responsible" gun owner then who really is?

answer: nobody. give it up rednecks.

yep thats the narrative here, and as soon as i saw this news last night i wondered how long it would take certain animals in TSB to take glee in it.

disgusting.

8/29/2014 5:34:38 PM

You would probably call this a tragedy.


I'd call it predictable.

8/29/2014 5:39:09 PM

It's both you fucking savage.

8/29/2014 5:43:03 PM

Oh, am I supposed to have sympathy for the idiot who died?



It would have been a tragedy if the girl died. It's tragic that she'll be emotionally fucked for life.

The adult got exactly what he should have expected.

8/29/2014 5:45:19 PM

I'm not going to argue whether or not your comments make you subhuman.

You and your friends here are just happy there's one less NRA-approved redneck in the world.

It would be the surprise of my life if some "anti-gun / liberal / democrat" ITT called you out.

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 5:53 PM. Reason : -]

8/29/2014 5:52:19 PM

I'm not happy the dude is dead, but if someone had to die, I'm glad it wasn't the little girl.

8/29/2014 6:02:56 PM

You seem to be under the impression that as a liberal, I'm supposed to shed tears every time someone is hurt.

I don't.

If he was killed by a state actor, or systemically oppressed, then yeah, it would suck.

Instead he's just a dude that played with fire and got burnt. He got caught slippin, dog.

8/29/2014 6:26:18 PM

to me, it's still tragic (for him, the girl, and both of their families). yeah, he was stupid (and so were her parents), and he should have realized that it was a real possibility, but that doesn't mean he deserved to die, and it's still sad that he did.

8/29/2014 6:58:50 PM

Quote :

"so no, you don't get to respond by saying "oh, well this specific guy is irresponsible, but we can trust all the other responsible gun owners!""

he was irresponsible, and i'm pretty sure i have every right to say that.
as for the rest i said nothing of the sort.

nobody here so far has posted that they thought it was a good idea or that the little girl should have ever had that gun in the first place. quite frankly that's the difference between people that appreciate the recreational and defensive purposes of a gun, and a "gun nut".

and sick animals in here making jokes about this situation - it's tww, so... shocker.. but i only hope those people never have any real position of power, our society is screwed up enough as it is.

8/29/2014 7:19:32 PM

but this guy was your quintessential responsible gun owner, he took extra training and had his conceled carry license. If even this guy is not actually a responsible gun owner, then who is? Why should other "responsible" gun owners be trusted? Doesn't this highlight that responsible gun owners are responsible up until the moment that they aren't, and in that moment someone can die?

8/29/2014 7:29:57 PM

Quote :

"If even this guy is not actually a responsible gun owner, then who is?"

gun owners who don't let young kids shoot automatic uzis? and ones that don't stand right beside the kid with their head a foot away from the uzi? i don't think "quintessential responsible gun owner" applies to this guy. are you a responsible gun owner?

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 7:34 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2014 7:33:21 PM

i would never expect other people to trust me as a gun owner, not trusting that i am a responsible gun owner is the reasonable response

by extension, i don't see how anyone can trust that any other person is a responsible gun owner

Quote :

"i don't think "quintessential responsible gun owner" applies to this guy"

why not? he worked at a gun range and took extra classes and education and had his concealed carry license.

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 7:59 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2014 7:41:31 PM

Man does incredibly stupid thing, dies as a result.

8/29/2014 8:00:20 PM

Quote :

"why not? he worked at a gun range and took extra classes and education and had his concealed carry license"

because this means dick-else if you're also willing to give a 9 year old an uzi. how is it this hard for you to understand? do you need a comparative metaphor?

a NASCAR championship driver with years on the track, who gives ride-along instruction on the weekends and drives on the track just for the fun of it: you'd call them a responsible driver right? say this same person puts a 9 year old in the driver's seat of a stock car and lets them push it to 190... you wouldn't say that this means there aren't any responsible drivers out there would you? would you still call that same person responsible to get your agenda across?

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 9:59 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 9:59 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2014 9:58:47 PM

Funny....kids can't legally drive until they're 16.




Good example, ace.

8/29/2014 10:01:03 PM

Quote :

"to be fair, taking a kid shooting versus letting them shoot an automatic uzi aren't the same thing"

Yeah, that was a dumbass move for the ages. I don't have a problem with 9-year olds shooting, per se. My daughter is 7; we shoot BB guns in the backyard. She can recite the weapons handling safety rules verbatim; she has to do it before we get the BB gun out every time.

I expect that she'll be able to safely and relatively proficiently shoot my AR-15 by the time she's 9-10, under very close supervision, if she continues to enjoy shooting.

An Uzi, and even more so a Mini or Micro Uzi, which it kind of looks to me like this could have been (I'm guessing a Mini), is a different animal. Not because it's powerful; they aren't particularly powerful at all. It is very short (which makes it easy for the muzzle to walk under fire), and in this case, was a select-fire version set to full auto. That alone is completely stupid. In a very short weapon like a [Mini?] Uzi, it's further exacerbated. It also looks to me like either the folding stock is not extended or not properly up against the shoulder (her arms might not be long enough???)

My personal opinion is also that open-bolt weapons like an Uzi aren't a very good idea for any novice shooter.

Terrible, terrible judgment all around.


For perspective, when I am teaching an inexperienced adult shooter to handle even a regular semi-auto pistol, I have them load one round at a time in the magazines for several shots until I know that they aren't going to panic or lose control of the weapon under recoil or anything.

I doubt any 9-year old girl could physically keep such a small full-auto weapon well-controlled, unless maybe they had been worked-up very slowly with gradually increasing numbers of rounds in the magazine and really drilled to only fire very short, controllable bursts...which would beg the question of why you're in such a hurry to make such a little kid such an expert with a submachine gun. Teach her to shoot, but get her really good at things that are appropriate for a 9-year old.



Also, from the little I've heard, this "instructor" wasn't much of an instructor at all...more of just some dude who happened to work at the range. I can't vouch for that, though.

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 10:23 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2014 10:22:56 PM