Quote :

"Martin isn't on trial he's dead"

Yes, but a jury has the difficult job of deciding whether his own actions contributed to his death. Victim's names often get dragged through the mud in the courtroom. It happens every day in the US legal system. I shouldn't need to point that out.

dammit...I didn't want to be at the top of another page of this shitty thread.

[Edited on May 23, 2013 at 9:34 PM. Reason : l]

5/23/2013 9:32:51 PM

Sure it happens every day, and I understand why they are doing it. It doesn't mean that it isn't absurd and that the asshole lawyer doing it isn't a fucking scumbag for it.

5/23/2013 9:48:43 PM

Well, I guess we will know next week whether or not this evidence will be permitted

5/24/2013 9:12:36 AM

the vast majority of lawyers are scumbags

5/24/2013 9:13:53 AM

allegedly

5/24/2013 9:21:54 AM

from CNN

Quote :

"Defense attorneys say they will try to use the evidence if prosecutors attempt to attack Zimmerman's character during his trial on second-degree murder charges, set to begin next month. The Martin family's attorney says the information is irrelevant and meant to prejudice a jury."

We have got to stop this nonsense of baring defense evidence from the courtroom in murder trials.

You're taking away the decision making authority of the jury and giving it to the attorneys. There's no doubt that Zimmerman's record is going to be argued over and over again, and his propensity to fight. There's evidence on Trayvon's phone that he brawled for fun and people honestly think that should be bared from the courtroom because it's racially motivated or something? That is beyond ridiculous.

No wonder our appeals system is in such shambles, because we apparently don't know how to conduct a fair trial in the first place.

5/24/2013 9:44:17 AM

There was a hearing this morning, and it appears as if the prosecution came up big. Many rulings were handed down barring certain evidence from being heard by the jury.

I don't really have time now, so someone else should post the deets

5/28/2013 11:07:14 AM

Your post is an errand. Thanks.

5/28/2013 11:12:59 AM

Quote :

"We have got to stop this nonsense of baring defense evidence from the courtroom in murder trials."

I hate to say it but I agree with this. If the victim does have a history of violent altercations (I am not saying he does, but its possible) then why could that not be used at trial? If its not relevant the prosecutor could make that case to the jury.

5/28/2013 11:48:51 AM

Defense was blocked from bringing up the text messages, talk of the gun pictured on Trayvons phone, talk about drugs via text message. The defense also cannot bring up Trayvons drug use in the opening statements, but may be able to bring up the THC levels in Trayvons blood later.

The judge will entertain the argument that the prosecution withheld evidence, which might lead to sanctions.

Also, Zimmermans brother called on the prosecution to drop the murder charge. And a hearty lol was had by all.

5/28/2013 8:52:06 PM

What does smoking weed have ANYTHING to do with this?

5/28/2013 9:54:35 PM

why would the defense bring that up in the first place?

who has ever gotten violent after smoking some weed?

hell the prosecution should bring it up.

[Edited on May 28, 2013 at 10:52 PM. Reason : Trayvon couldn't have attacked Zimmerman. He was baked ya'll. I rest my case.]

5/28/2013 10:50:21 PM

I caught a sound bit of mark omara on the news, referencing some obscure study that said smoking weed has been linked to aggression.

He, you, I, and almost everyone else knows that is bullshit. But I suppose convincing a juror that REEFER MADE HIM CRAZY AND VIOLENT is the end goal.





[Edited on May 28, 2013 at 10:59 PM. Reason : Then again, it may have just been the goal to demonize a dead kid]

5/28/2013 10:58:28 PM

Weed may trigger aggression toward stuck vending machines, but thats about it.

5/28/2013 11:00:31 PM

^^ Demonizing the dead kid is the one and only reason they bring it up.

5/28/2013 11:07:05 PM

70% of the 12 jurors (8 of 12) will likely have smoked marijuana at some point in their life. That is not gonna work.

5/28/2013 11:08:49 PM

Yeah but he's black so it's different

[Edited on May 28, 2013 at 11:13 PM. Reason : Plus all they need is one of the 12 to bite]

5/28/2013 11:11:22 PM

Apparently the Zimmerman camp is saying they are almost out of funds, and are soliciting donations. They need $ to pay for staff, transcripts, witness hotel accommodations, etc...

5/31/2013 10:48:35 AM

Personally, I believe the entire cell phone is immaterial. Zimmerman did not have access to the cell phone and the media on it to form an opinion of the victim prior to following or attacking him. Zimmerman had no other information to suggest the victim was a potential criminal or a violent threat other than the color of Trayvon's skin. Without intending to make any snap judgments on the jury themselves and their mindset, I suspect that releasing such damaging images of Trayvon will justify ex-post bad decisions made ex-ante. In doing so, their decision may be a result of Trayvon's external events in Trayvon's life rather than the events of that night.

I don't care how bad a person is, if someone blindly murders that individual, discovering later that the murdered was a puppy-kicking-satan-worshiping-anti-semite-pedophile does not redeem the murderer.

5/31/2013 11:44:21 AM

Would anyone care to opine on the thought that Zimmermans attorneys are "leaking" non-evidence to the public in order to contaminate the jury by way of spreading false information about Trayvon Martin's character?

ex. The video obtained from his cell phone that the Zimmerman camp claimed showed ' two of Martin's friends beating up a homeless man', but was corrected to 'homeless men fighting over a bike, and Trayvon just recorded it'.



non-evidence = stuff that would never be admitted as evidence in court because its misleading

6/3/2013 12:52:51 PM

damn are we still talking about this?

I miss marko... i can't believe im saying that. but chitchat is just soapbox 2.0.1(beta) now

6/3/2013 12:56:11 PM

seriously, why are we still talking about this? i mean, i know the trial is going on right now, but i come to chit-chat to talk about farts and post emoticons

6/3/2013 1:04:15 PM

any updates here?

6/12/2013 9:30:26 AM

Going through jury selection now.

Last I read, the courts weren't going to allow many things from both Trayvon Martin's past (pics on phone, suspension from school, texts,) and Zimmermans past ( prior arrest, restraining order, violence) to be admitted as evidence.

The jury will also not be taken to the crime scene.

6/12/2013 1:50:06 PM

Quote :

"Would anyone care to opine on the thought that Zimmermans attorneys are "leaking" non-evidence to the public in order to contaminate the jury by way of spreading false information about Trayvon Martin's character?"

This is the only Google result I get searching for this:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-05-16/trayvon-zimmerman-medical-report/55022578/1

Perhaps you should post a link, because the story I found is a) actual evidence and b) not about Trayvon.

Quote :

"Personally, I believe the entire cell phone is immaterial."

So you think that the charges should be dropped? Let's fill in here:

1) Zimmerman claims self-defense
2) prosecution is arguing to invalidate that defense
3) the act of following Trayvon alone is not sufficient for #2
4) therefore, the prosecution argues that Zimmerman is the aggressor
5) in order for #4, the court must be asked to make a determination about who started the fight
6) for #5, the court solicits all character information about Zimmerman
7) in order for said trial to not violate Zimmerman's human rights, defense has to be able to submit character information about Trayvon because of #5

I'm getting that other people are arguing the following

8) it is not possible to submit character information about Trayvon without playing to racial biases

The outcome of accepting #8 is that you don't allow this information in the court, thereby violating #7, else that is a petition for an illegal trial. We have illegal trials all the time, and this is the exact purpose for appeals. This is why calling for an illegal trial is a pointless endeavor.

It would be nice if someone could say something intelligent to justify their single-item thought. Hopefully, with this they'll at least be able to give an enumeration to their machination.

[Edited on June 12, 2013 at 3:12 PM. Reason : ]

6/12/2013 3:10:31 PM

While the flow progression is logical, the failure is in the assumptions. I believe it is possible to achieve 6 without relying on character alone. This closely relates your point #3. I agree that following Trayvon alone isn't enough to establish who started the fight but through questioning the witness and evaluating other evidence (my assumption is that they have some since the trial has made it to this point) that parties can establish who was the aggressor.

I get your point, in theory, but don't think you've researched the outcome of enough trials if you really think it would go that way. Then again, I would completely defer to jbrick83 on this matter.

6/12/2013 3:22:06 PM

Read the example I supplied you, genius. Its directly below the part of my post that you quoted...

6/12/2013 3:25:59 PM

I did not, but I should have also included that:

hard evidence alone is not sufficient for #4, thus #5 is needed

That statement/link can be disputed, and I think ^^ is doing a little of that. I'm not sure about stopping it at #6, maybe you could limit evidence to "surrounding circumstances" or something like that. But then do you start arguing about whether Zimmerman being suspicious of Trayvon was justified in any way (as some people do), because that also lands you in accusations of race-baiting.

[Edited on June 12, 2013 at 3:28 PM. Reason : ]

6/12/2013 3:28:21 PM

Quote :

"Its directly below the part of my post that you quoted..."

I can scout out stories that the cell phone data was released by the defense, but nothing to justify a claim that it was a "leak".

[Edited on June 12, 2013 at 3:31 PM. Reason : ]

6/12/2013 3:31:24 PM

Whatever.... Leaked or released... You can certainly comment on the broader issue without getting hung up on verbiage. It was leaked to the media. Leaked to the media by the Zimmerman camp, prior to attempting to have it introduced as evidence to the court, with an accompanying story that obviously paints Trayvon Martin and his friends as criminals. Only to be redacted days later after the damage had been done.

Imagine reading an explosive headline on the front page of the newspaper

6/12/2013 4:03:52 PM

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the all female jury in here yet.

6/20/2013 4:17:27 PM

huh

all female?

6/20/2013 4:18:02 PM

being out of town all weekend i kept seeing "George Zimmer Out!"

i thought it was this guy getting let off the murder charges.

6/20/2013 4:18:05 PM

it took them 2 weeks to pick only 6 jurors

[Edited on June 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM. Reason : ]

6/20/2013 4:23:08 PM

6/20/2013 4:27:45 PM

All woman jury
One minority
Familiarity with guns

[Edited on June 21, 2013 at 10:05 AM. Reason : Kkuuujjjhhhrrrtttyyy]

6/21/2013 10:04:58 AM

I'd follow it despite being told not to by police...

6/28/2013 10:00:21 PM

also

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7/1/2013 2:11:22 PM

Hahahaha, Salman Talpur in the house!

7/3/2013 11:18:50 AM

That was hilarious...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOy5RqOTBDE&ytsession=txQoN1eAKXD4tky0sbbV2v3t6poV82aJAvfAF82QFRW6kao8Qi30UiaSFoQKYGd92DtT1Ba6MoF07i1j7LvR8cJT2TVjL3BPduioS3BfyJfmcCA2UB8eI0VFu9Tn1PO7Fl4bZbJKzqKxREZ3ZkKqSleRoKbsVcetma-d7sEgnq5UnSZrg7cSlkBJlLHz6QVfJxWyN-4yarLfgia7inzVxBHSNJ2XPgPfwXzbgcZjZjarp6AKwba6ngstpBQjWUuOg9gqBCs6uKW7TcFVdzISk4Ady2uzyHap3AgT3hFOrL498ZWRkP6DSAyOp_YSDdYVxr7cJdXrq2DiyOsIiPkqN8qvuNEEh1_-0cf4duVQ0bBcw01s7-LQBDvKcJ3FXQk7TLKJ5Ct9kkCv1977ccceSqWF56vQ8V5HHp3Z5eCRBjLX-Q1pJGIonEH1s1MLSHj6peJaEp1vPrFXXFdx9DFlQlgX9z0_iGUA4ir0NgHvqDzipvceDTu4bwC5vQCMVZsd1tDcrTs5vvvzD-07GBL25WioSCWYuzMxrQvpm5VFxe6MrqFGUBgHbwTlcoPVZTMkyWeqRgFvX_YBgGcKdDVy7Plo_vojmA2Q7NjJqnFI_Ck#

[Edited on July 3, 2013 at 12:24 PM. Reason : dfd]

7/3/2013 12:14:02 PM

sweet FUCK dude. Use tinyurl for that shit. I'm a highschool drop out and know about that shit dawg.

7/3/2013 12:52:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6uhHepPxLI

[Edited on July 3, 2013 at 12:57 PM. Reason : odin]

7/3/2013 12:56:50 PM

Ill worry about that when the new TWW app comes out

7/3/2013 1:43:57 PM

LOL skype calls

7/3/2013 1:53:20 PM

Dr. Bo Confucius say: "Dead man cannot stand"

7/6/2013 1:52:20 AM

that nigga gon' walk

7/6/2013 2:03:08 AM

I got my popcorn ready, its gonna be one hell of a riot on CNN when the not guilty verdict comes. The prosecution has proven the defenses case.

7/6/2013 8:54:09 AM

^ prosecution didn't have much of a case to begin with, but their hand was forced to take it to trial. at least could have charged him with manslaughter or something, would have been more realistic to win that one

7/6/2013 1:28:55 PM

black revenge will be satisfied one way or another

7/6/2013 1:35:19 PM

Any jimmies rustled tonight?

7/13/2013 10:48:13 PM