I'll gladly take either

edit: I dunno much about the FaH gpu client, but can you not crunch simultaneously?

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 3:55:46 PM

that's what i don't understand is that the 9800GX2 is a dual gpu, it should be up there with the 280

7/31/2008 4:51:15 PM

I mean can you not run the client on both the gx2 and the 260, or is it just a power issue?

7/31/2008 5:36:43 PM

Quote :

"alexzogh said"

where did he post that?

and GG everyone!!! We're starting to push back up in the rankings!

7/31/2008 6:48:09 PM

^^i'm only keeping one of the cards, the 260 is single gpu, the 9800GX2 is dual gpu, so why does the 260 out fold the 9800GX2 when clearly the 9800GX2 is the faster card?

^http://www.ncsufolding.com/?p=26#comments

9800GX2 - $263 shipped
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/13382

9800GX2 is faster than 8800GT in SLI and faster than 4870 in CF and faster than the 4870X2 in Crysis
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3354&p=5
(depends on resolution of course)

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 7:04 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 6:51:31 PM

I may start folding G80 GTS and 6750@3.2, which will be hilarious because that will probably pop out more PPD than my brother NeoEraser used to average when he had them folding on shittons of old machines.

edit: does folding run the GPU and CPU at 100% load 24/7?

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 7:06 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 7:06:03 PM

^yea, he used to average 10k-20k depending on the day, and i remember when that was a TON of points....(pre-SMP days) now they are just handing out points with the SMP/GPU clients.

and yes, folding@home client (smp does cpu at 100%) and (gpu does gpu at 100%) but it's only idle time so it doesn't actually impact any thing of higher priority, meaning you shouldn't notice it.... if you do you can always change the configuration to run at a lower % if you wish.

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 7:08 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 7:07:27 PM

lol I retract my first statement, didn't realize he used to average that high

edit: I wonder how much Nehalem will be able to put out

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 7:15 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 7:12:01 PM

I don't think you can run the GPU client on two video cards that are in SLI mode. Which explains why the 9800GX2 doesn't perform as well as it should, because you cannot unlink the two so only one core folds (that's the explanation given by one of the guys over at anandtech, anyway). How much difference do you see between the GTX 260 and the 9800GX2 in games? If not large, keep the GTX as it should run cooler/quieter and crank out more ppd for the team.

Prospero, go ahead and hook me up as an auther on the ncsufolding website and I'll stop by there to post sometimes too. And give me the clock speed on the 260 along with the ppd when you have it, I'm trying to keep my numbers fairly pure over at AT forums so people know what to expect from stock versus OC hardware.

8/1/2008 8:46:06 AM

PM me your username that you registered with.

8/1/2008 11:00:52 AM

^^also the 260 I have is not stock, it's a factory superclocked version. i probably won't even hook it up. i think i'm going with the 9800GX2 since it's clearly the better card

8/1/2008 1:52:30 PM

Alright i'm gonna do it.

2 desktops with core 2 duos, one with an 8800gtx and the other with a 9600gt. Both running vista 64. What are my options?

Smp and nvidia client on both?

8/3/2008 2:12:55 AM

yup yup wb

8/3/2008 4:58:28 PM

iceman27518 will be offline for some time to come... just got my latest power bill $170, up $50 from last time.

i cant afford $50 for one machine to stay online 24/7, all my other machines will run since they are not plugged in at my house, but the real bitch is that I am loosing my GPU2 unit. ;-(

sorry

8/5/2008 10:24:55 AM

Quote :

"iceman27518 will be offline for some time to come... just got my latest power bill $170, up $50 from last time. i cant afford $50 for one machine to stay online 24/7, all my other machines will run since they are not plugged in at my house, but the real bitch is that I am loosing my GPU2 unit. ;-( sorry "

Hey how do you know your 1 machine is costing $50 per month? It is getting hotter out you know
I don't see how it could be anywhere near that much. I'm have a Q6600 box with an 8800GT, running two SMP clients and 1 GPU client and it's pulling under 200 watts, which is about $10 a month last time I checked.

Check your watts:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Electronic+Gadgets-_-P3+International-_-82715001
http://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4400-Electricity-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU

8/5/2008 10:30:41 AM

Quote :

"Alright i'm gonna do it. 2 desktops with core 2 duos, one with an 8800gtx and the other with a 9600gt. Both running vista 64. What are my options? Smp and nvidia client on both?"

Yep, one SMP on each box, one GPU2 on each box.

Let us know how it goes...

8/5/2008 10:31:24 AM

Yeah, this machine is a new one with a 700W OCZ power supply.

I dont know all the details right now, but I am looking to conserve the best I can. Just bought a new S2000 and need all the penny's I can scrounge, the computer running when I am not there isnt doing me any favors. so its the first to go for now, when I get home the PS3, running folding will be shutdown.

sorry to have to start here.

8/5/2008 10:37:37 AM

I hear you, but if you got a kill-a-watt i bet you'd be surprised how little wattage the machine is actually using.

nice ride though, i was considering the S2000 too.

8/5/2008 10:57:58 AM

yea, just an FYI ,a 700W power supply does not mean it's drawing 700W of power, it just means it "could"

8/5/2008 11:01:37 AM

i know what it means, how much you think that nvidia 8800gts is pulling? in addition to all the other shit in there???

haha, lets not get into a pissing match of watts and joules, HAHA

[Edited on August 5, 2008 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .]

8/5/2008 11:16:28 AM

For reference:

E8400 / 8800GTS (320MB) / 2x 7200rpm HDD's / 1x 10000rpm HDD / 2 DIMM's / DVDRW = 215W on 100% load

I use a Zalman ZM-MFC2 to monitor wattage directly from the PSU.

The reason why everyone's scared about # of watts in their PSU, is because up until recently all PSU's were like 60-70% efficient.... now with a majority over 80% efficient (some even higher) it means you can run more on less.

[Edited on August 5, 2008 at 11:32 AM. Reason : .]

8/5/2008 11:29:27 AM

Ok, guys, here's a deal like I've been getting.

EVGA 8800GS (OC to 650/900 for 4320 ppd): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130332

$110 with free shipping
-$16 coupon code EMCAJAFAD
-$30 mail-in rebate
$64 shipped

Might just pick up another at that price...

EDIT: Just as a note, I have two of these cards already & they're virtually silent but quite powerful so great for medium gaming and F@H use. Low power draw makes them good as well.
Check out this full review: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GeForce_8800_GS

[Edited on August 5, 2008 at 2:19 PM. Reason : :]]

8/5/2008 2:15:45 PM

my SMP expired today.

downloaded 6.22 beta 2 SMP client for Vista x64.

it downloaded Amber core (fahcore_82) i mean WTF, i downloaded the SMP client, i expect dual-core folding!

i get one that's only worth 216 points

--- Opening Log file [August 5 22:44:39 UTC] 


# Windows CPU Console Edition #################################################
###############################################################################

                       Folding@Home Client Version 6.22 SMP Beta2

                          http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: C:\Program Files (x86)\af2442FS
Executable: af2442FS1.exe


[22:44:39] - Ask before connecting: No
[22:44:39] - User name: ProsperoLT (Team 59)
[22:44:39] - User ID: 2B31870F5049CA89
[22:44:39] - Machine ID: 1
[22:44:39] 
[22:44:39] Could not open work queue, generating new queue...
[22:44:39] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[22:44:39] + Attempting to get work packet
[22:44:39] - Connecting to assignment server
[22:44:39] - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.111).
[22:44:39] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[22:44:39] Loaded queue successfully.
[22:44:41] + Closed connections
[22:44:41] 
[22:44:41] + Processing work unit
[22:44:41] Core required: FahCore_81.exe
[22:44:41] Core not found.
[22:44:41] - Core is not present or corrupted.
[22:44:41] - Attempting to download new core...
[22:44:41] + Downloading new core: FahCore_81.exe
[22:44:41] + 10240 bytes downloaded
...
[22:44:43] + 825684 bytes downloaded
[22:44:43] Verifying core Core_81.fah...
[22:44:43] Signature is VALID
[22:44:43] 
[22:44:43] Trying to unzip core FahCore_81.exe
[22:44:43] Decompressed FahCore_81.exe (2396160 bytes) successfully
[22:44:48] + Core successfully engaged
[22:44:53] 
[22:44:53] + Processing work unit
[22:44:53] Core required: FahCore_81.exe
[22:44:53] Core found.
[22:44:53] Working on queue slot 01 [August 5 22:44:53 UTC]
[22:44:53] + Working ...
[22:44:53] 
[22:44:53] *------------------------------*
[22:44:53] Folding@Home Gromacs Simulated Tempering Core
[22:44:53] Version 1.10 (Oct 4, 2007)
[22:44:53] 
[22:44:53] Preparing to commence simulation
[22:44:53] - Looking at optimizations...
[22:44:53] - Created dyn
[22:44:53] - Files status OK
[22:44:54] - Expanded 563742 -> 2772113 (decompressed 491.7 percent)
[22:44:54] - Starting from initial work packet
[22:44:54] 
[22:44:54] Project: 4107 (Run 71, Clone 19, Gen 16)
[22:44:54] 
[22:44:54] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[22:44:54] Entering M.D.
[22:45:00] Protein: p4107_ww_unf_Amber03_Extended
[22:45:00] 
[22:45:00] Writing local files
[22:45:00] Extra SSE boost OK.
[22:45:00] Writing local files
[22:45:00] Completed 0 out of 1500000 steps  (0%)

8/5/2008 6:43:10 PM

figured it out, you need -smp flag now

8/6/2008 2:09:03 AM

If you have a chance, post this on the website. This could affect a lot of people.

8/6/2008 5:50:24 AM

uggh the SMP client expired again? They need to come out with a final version of this thing already

8/6/2008 8:03:07 AM

Everyone please update your clients.

Since the SMP client expired on Aug. 2nd, we've had about a 20-25,000 point drop in our "points per day" as a team.

REMEMBER to start the client with the -smp flag!!!!

8/7/2008 11:29:46 AM

Looks like the GPU2 client expired too. Here's the download link for that: http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther



If anyone runs into any problems installing the new (6.22) SMP client, let us know.

This is what I did.

1) Downloaded the Deino MPI one from here: http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther (they say it's more stable or something)

2) Followed the instructions they had here: http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1783 (don't use any passphrases)

3) Used the executable/instructions found here http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=4609

I don't know if the 3rd step is required, but since they said that newer executable works better I used that one. Works fine as a service, just make sure to use those two flags (-smp and -denio if you use the deino version). I'll try to install two of them on my Q6600 in the next couple days. I don't expect any issues.

8/7/2008 2:18:33 PM

Ok I just updated my SMP. Im a little slow. Also have you guys found a way to run the gpu2 as a service? Its annoying to have to be logged into each machine to start the gpu2 process. Maybe I am missing something obvious.

8/8/2008 10:49:43 AM

Well you need a console version to run it as a service, which is available on the download page:http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther

And it sounds like people have been successful in running it as a service (the download page says running as a service doesn't work in Vista...I assume that's accurate but who knows)


Here's some discussion about it:
http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?s=0b9f5f5c0d06881660333bdef41e9bce&showtopic=36854&pid=343741&st=0&#entry343741

and more importantly here (older version though):
http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=4007

8/8/2008 12:57:19 PM

we are about to get passed by "whoopass" a team that's only been in existence for 2 months and averages over 700,000 PPD
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=131015

8/9/2008 9:10:35 PM

GPU2 FTW (for them at least)

8/10/2008 6:01:10 PM

Yeah, it's a little disheartening. I mean, I started folding under 'denithor' this weekend to see how many ppd my new 8800GTS 512MB would crank out (averages >5,000 ppd when F@H servers are up). And within like three days I've already passed my mom's total accumulated over about the last three years running the basic client on a Celeron 1.7Ghz box.

Talk about changing the whole ballgame...

8/11/2008 2:40:29 PM

^ wait what name do you usually fold under?

Quote :

" New SMP Client: 1) Downloaded the Deino MPI one from here: http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther (they say it's more stable or something) 2) Followed the instructions they had here: http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1783 (don't use any passphrases) 3) Used the executable/instructions found here http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=4609 "

ok so i tried it without step 3 (the different executable) and it worked fine. I also tried the non-deino client and that also worked fine.

8/11/2008 8:34:18 PM

I was thinking about getting another story posted on the main page of this site to try and get some new team members: default.aspx

What do you guys think? Anyone want to volunteer to write it?

8/12/2008 4:27:43 PM

Has it really been over a year already since we've been frontpage'd?

story.aspx?story=1096

Just be sure to point it to our website and copy the article there as well.

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 4:36 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2008 4:36:10 PM

Perhaps we should write an article focused on the "revolutionary new GPU client" along with a report summarizing the results to date?

8/12/2008 7:16:00 PM

Quote :

"neodata686: Alright i'm gonna do it. 2 desktops with core 2 duos, one with an 8800gtx and the other with a 9600gt. Both running vista 64. What are my options? Smp and nvidia client on both?"

I think he posts this like every other month


^ yeah we should definitely mention the GPU client

8/13/2008 10:41:09 AM

http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/13/51-card-nvidia-folding-rig-can-crank-out-265-200-points-day/

8/13/2008 11:55:22 AM

whats the deal with the new CUDA client? Will it mean more points?

Quote :

"Sure, it's all well and good to play around with the Folding@Home client on toys like the PS3, but if you're really serious about out-nerding the rest of the pack, you need big-boy hardware, like this 51-card NVIDIA-based rig built by nitteo of the overclock.net forums. That's 51 8800-series GPUs on 13 MSI P6N Diamond mobos, enough for an estimated 265,200 folding points per day when they all go online -- and we're guessing that number will go up when that new CUDA-based folding client released yesterday is installed. Now let's just hope all those cards can stand the heat, hmm? More pics at the read link."

8/13/2008 12:40:20 PM

http://www.overclock.net/overclock-net-folding-home-team/370859-nitteo-s-f-h-gpu2-farm.html

8/13/2008 1:11:52 PM

someone broke it:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

8/13/2008 5:21:48 PM

broke what?

8/14/2008 8:47:20 AM

Which driver do i need to run the GPU client? Just started the smp client, but the GPU one is saying i have an incorrect driver. Oh and which viewer can i use that displays both SMP/GPU PPD?

8/14/2008 10:56:41 AM

i think you have to have CUDA drivers installed for the GPU client to work

and FahMon monitors GPU and SMP clients

8/14/2008 11:03:38 AM

Alright. Yeah downloading the CUDA driver now. How do i go through the settings again for the smp client?

8/14/2008 11:07:03 AM

Quote :

"How do i go through the settings again for the smp client?"

http://www.ncsufolding.com/?page_id=4


Can one of the more experienced GPU users write up some GPU2 client installation instructions (including CUDA if needed) for use on the website and here? If one person can at least start then someone else could finish/touch up if needed. Thx!

8/14/2008 11:11:50 AM

^no like once i've already gone through them. I think i set the cpu cycles to only 100% when idle but they don't seem to be going to 100% at all. I was just going to run it when i wasn't at the computer.

8/14/2008 11:15:39 AM

Quote :

"I was just going to run it when i wasn't at the computer."

why? i run two SMPs and it doesn't slow the PC down at all





[Edited on August 14, 2008 at 11:30 AM. Reason : V no you can only do multi-SMPs on quad core or greater]

8/14/2008 11:19:08 AM

So running 2 smp clients on a dual core would work? I guess i'll install fahmon and see what's most efficient. I still can't get the GPU client to work. Installed the CUDA driver but it still says wrong driver. Might have something to do with me remoting to my desktop. I'll try it again when i'm actually there.

-grr must have done something wrong. SMP is running and the cores are being used but it's still at 0%, and PPD is "0.00*" on FAHMON. Do i have to wait a while for it to update the PPD?

^k, one for now.

[Edited on August 14, 2008 at 11:31 AM. Reason : .]

8/14/2008 11:21:56 AM