Your dog's probably mad it has to ride around in a Pontiac all day.

6/22/2015 5:29:47 PM

^^^^ Don't get a pit. Fucking black people...

[Edited on June 22, 2015 at 5:33 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2015 5:32:49 PM

Why not?

Are you prejudiced against a breed you know nothing about?

White people with german shepards are on the same level as black people with pits. I've yet to meet a white person that has a German Shepard that isn't a retard. I kicked one a few weeks ago for trying to attack my pit.



How you gonna hate on my furbaby like that?

[Edited on June 22, 2015 at 5:37 PM. Reason : ,]

6/22/2015 5:34:33 PM

Obviously because they tear up your shit. And kill people. And other dogs.

[Edited on June 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2015 5:39:49 PM

She just has separation anxiety, which I've never encountered in a dog before....How do I train a dog when it only does the bad habit when I'm not around....

6/22/2015 5:41:09 PM

Yeah Aussies are way better.

6/22/2015 5:42:01 PM

Lol at synapse on the last page.

6/22/2015 5:46:35 PM

lol

I missed his last post.

6/22/2015 5:48:10 PM

i was more referring to him finding and quoting all my fast food posts.

6/22/2015 6:54:51 PM

I prefer the term "fast casual" over "fast food". Fast casual places are way better.

6/22/2015 6:57:44 PM

well i prefer real mexican food over the bland moe's/chipotle stuff.

most of it i get out of the backs of minivans or the trunks of cars.

6/22/2015 7:02:34 PM

Been mentioned before but the style of food that Chipotle serves with rice in large tortillas started in San Francisco. It's not really Mexican. But yeah if I want Mexican I'll go to a Mexican restaurant.

6/22/2015 7:05:25 PM

then maybe they should change their name.

6/22/2015 7:08:10 PM

Pit Bulls are pieces of shit. Not surprised BJ likes them. Makes a ton of sense, actually

6/22/2015 7:13:16 PM

if it was a tranny pit bull, you'd be tapdancing a different tune

6/22/2015 7:22:24 PM

I'd have that mongrel destroyed right quick

6/22/2015 7:36:00 PM

Baja Burrito was so much better BACK IN THE DAY

This chipotle shit is way overrated

6/22/2015 9:31:29 PM

^^Subway > than science project women

6/22/2015 10:04:58 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/23/glenn-and-buzz-stray-aid-center_n_7646098.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592



I love pits.

6/23/2015 2:53:11 PM

Oh don't get me wrong I've met some great pitbulls. Just in general they're an aggressive breed. Unless the owner proactively trains it well then it's going to be aggressive. Probably 9 out of 10 pitbulls I've met at dog parks or on trails are aggressive. I can't remember the last time I ran into an aggressive collie, aussie, lab, retriever, etc.

6/23/2015 3:22:40 PM

I've never gone to a dog park and not came across at least one asshole that brings their aggressive dog out knowing it does not know how to behave. Which is why my dogs don't get taken to play parks. Luckily everyone near me has dogs so we just let them play outside.

Pits by nature aren't aggressive, its bad ownership. Before making a conclusion about pits, take a second to think about the demographic most likely to own a pit. Then look at crime figures associated with said group. etc..you see where that goes.

6/23/2015 4:18:50 PM

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"Pits by nature aren't aggressive, its bad ownership."

Doesn't sound like the ASPCA agrees with you: https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls

Nor do these jurisdictions: http://www.dogsbite.org/legislating-dangerous-dogs-appellate-court-decisions.php

[Edited on June 23, 2015 at 4:30 PM. Reason : For the record though, I would probably have a pit as a pet]

6/23/2015 4:29:49 PM

I read about half that aspca crap and not one statement says pitbulls are aggressive. It says some of the breeders breed them for aggression. There is no "aggressive" gene so you can't breed aggression into a dog.

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/Breeds/Terrier/AmericanPitBullTerrier

I had this same debate on facebook last week with a ghetto pitbull "breeder". He insisted they were crazy dogs that shouldn't be trusted.

6/23/2015 4:38:23 PM

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"Pits by nature aren't aggressive, its bad ownership. "

Yes they are. They were bred that way. Certain breeds of dogs were bred to do certain things. There's a reason why my aussie continuously tries to herd everyone in my hiking group and never gets more than a 100 feet or so from us at any certain point in time. I didn't teach her that behavior.

Pitbulls were bred to be aggressive. It would take generations to breed that aggressiveness out of them. Sure an owner can do a good bit to curve their aggressive tendencies but at the end of the day pure bred dogs are bred for a reason. It's very challenging to reverse hundreds of years of breeding in just one generation.

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"There is no "aggressive" gene so you can't breed aggression into a dog."

Says who? There's obviously a herding gene, a hunting gene, etc for other breeds of dogs. Obviously not that straight forward but certain breeds have certain characteristic traits. That's just how it is.

[Edited on June 23, 2015 at 4:43 PM. Reason : s]

6/23/2015 4:41:42 PM

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"Yes they are. They were bred that way."

Technically some of these bred that way...not all of them.

6/23/2015 4:44:36 PM

Yeah I'm not saying everyone has a 1st generation dog from a breeder. I'm saying if you left a certain dog to it's own instincts it will normally act like it's breed.

6/23/2015 4:45:47 PM

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"I read about half that aspca crap and not one statement says pitbulls are aggressive"

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"The reality is that dogs of many breeds can be selectively bred or trained to develop aggressive traits."

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"Some pit bulls were selected and bred for their fighting ability. That means that they may be more likely than other breeds to fight with dogs. It doesn’t mean that they can’t be around other dogs or that they’re unpredictably aggressive. Other pit bulls were specifically bred for work and companionship. These dogs have long been popular family pets, noted for their gentleness, affection and loyalty. And even those pit bulls bred to fight other animals were not prone to aggressiveness toward people. Dogs used for fighting needed to be routinely handled by people; therefore aggression toward people was not tolerated. Any dog that behaved aggressively toward a person was culled, or killed, to avoid passing on such an undesirable trait. Research on pet dogs confirms that dog aggressive dogs are no more likely to direct aggression toward people than dogs that aren’t aggressive to other dogs. It is likely that that the vast majority of pit bull type dogs in our communities today are the result of random breeding—two dogs being mated without regard to the behavioral traits being passed on to their offspring. The result of random breeding is a population of dogs with a wide range of behavioral predispositions."

6/23/2015 4:48:35 PM

If you leave a dog to its own devices you are shit owner and its not the dogs fault if it decides it doesn't trust anyone. Thanks for proving my point.

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"Results as of March 31, 2011[1] American Pit Bull Terrier: 804 tested; 86.4% passed American Staffordshire Terrier: 627 tested; 84.2% passed Staffordshire Bull Terrier: 117 tested; 89.7% passed Total: 1548 tested; 85.8% passed To put this in perspective, consider: All Breeds: 30,876 tested; 83% passed Collie: 856 tested; 79.9% passed Cocker Spaniel: 227 tested; 81.9% passed Australian Cattle Dog: 187 tested; 79.1% passed Beagle: 72 tested; 80.6% passed Golden Retriever: 764 tested; 84.9% passed"

Temperament testing results 2011. Now if you want to believe in stereotypes and genetically breeding aggression go for it. I've been around pits and other dogs. I can make any dog into a crazy attack animal.

6/23/2015 4:49:12 PM

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"There is no "aggressive" gene so you can't breed aggression into a dog. "

I believe your logic is flawed, sir.

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"If you leave a dog to its own devices you are shit owner and its not the dogs fault if it decides it doesn't trust anyone. Thanks for proving my point."

Except you're completely ignoring their words, especially the ones about breeding. In fact the stuff I quoted doesn't even deal with nurture, just nature.


[Edited on June 23, 2015 at 4:51 PM. Reason : like, you know what bred means right?]

6/23/2015 4:49:20 PM

All pits are aggressive and all blacks love watermelon. K I'm done.

6/23/2015 4:52:12 PM

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"All pits are aggressive and all blacks love watermelon. K I'm done."

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"You're doing it all wrong doofus. The idea with strawman arguments is they need to be *remotely* believable"

[Edited on June 23, 2015 at 4:54 PM. Reason : The ASPCA isn't saying all, they're saying some.]

6/23/2015 4:53:41 PM

Never said leaving a dog to it's own instincts I'm saying a HUGE portion of a dogs behavior comes from characteristic traits of it's breed. Cattle dogs naturally herd things. Hounds, terriers, etc naturally have hunting/sporting instincts. Different breeds act differently because they're different breeds. That's all I'm saying. In general pit bulls are more aggressive then say a golden retriever. That's a fact no matter which way you look at it and it's due to how they were bred.

6/23/2015 4:54:13 PM

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"it's due to how [some of them] were bred."

6/23/2015 4:54:51 PM

Sure I'm speaking in generalities. I mean look at pugs. They were bred to be the way they are. They have trouble breathing and often are obese. We're talking hundreds of years here. Humans bred them and as a result they have genetic defects. Why so many pure bred dogs have health issues. Behavior is just another genetic trait and it was a result of hundreds if not thousands of years of breeding.

So when you say "some of them" then sure maybe one line of pit bulls were bred to be less aggressive but in general if you're talking pure bred dogs (whatever that means any more) then they're still going to have a much greater chance of having aggressive tendencies.

[Edited on June 23, 2015 at 4:59 PM. Reason : s]

6/23/2015 4:57:59 PM

The ASPCA also has no science behind it. Show me some gene's that can be manipulated to control how a animal behaves if you are going to label breeds as aggressive based off past actions by dogs that happen to be a specific breed.

Pitbulls are the black men of dogs and it pisses me off.

^Slaves were bred to be hard working and submissive etc. We can agree that experiment failed. We can also ignore the pure bred arguments since unless you have a AKC Staffy your "pitbull" is technically a mutt since they are just mixes of bully breeds.

[Edited on June 23, 2015 at 5:02 PM. Reason : ,]

6/23/2015 4:59:34 PM

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"K I'm done."

6/23/2015 5:01:16 PM

Ok so how else can you explain why certain dog breeds act certain ways? Herding, hunting, retrieving...theses are all behavioral traits. Being naturally aggressive toward other dogs is just like being naturally inclined to chase after small game. I don't see what you're missing here....

6/23/2015 5:01:48 PM

And to be fair, the ASPCA did clearly delineate between dog-aggressive and human-aggressive.

6/23/2015 5:03:10 PM

No I don't see what you are missing here. You are saying breed xyz does this. And I'm saying show me some science that proves what you are saying. I'm not debating that each breed has a specialty, I'm just asking for some genetic proof.

6/23/2015 5:03:39 PM

I'm actually a pit lover as well...was fucking with BJ earlier. I think they're incredibly sweet and loyal dogs. I think I read an article once that said they are the easiest dog to rehabilitate. I think that article also said they're also the most likely breed to snap without warning. I don't trust most of the statistics because I know that they're also the most mistreated breed. Of course there are going to be more Pit attacks when they're are thousands more puts that are bred to kill and/or treated like shit. However, you also read many stories of a Pit attack where the quotes are "he's never attacked anyone!" and "he's never shown aggressive behaviors!" I think they're definitely something in their breed where this comes from, but don't care to research it. For that reason I'll never get a pit...as well as the fact that a lot of people are scared of them. I take my dog everywhere, I don't want people avoiding me with my dog.

6/23/2015 5:07:33 PM

[Edited on June 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM. Reason : ^^]

6/23/2015 5:08:16 PM

this debate makes me want some chipotle.

6/23/2015 5:10:27 PM

shit's good yo

6/23/2015 5:11:33 PM

My pit says Qdoba > Chipotle

6/23/2015 5:13:03 PM

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"I'm not debating that each breed has a specialty,"

All I'm saying. In general dogs act like their breed. There's always exceptions and edge cases, etc.

In general pit bulls are more aggressive than golden retrievers to other dogs. You can blame that on whatever you want but I'm saying it's genetics and breeding.

I just googled dog behavior and genetics and got quite a few research papers and books. Looks like there's plenty of information out there.

6/23/2015 5:13:25 PM

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"My pit says Qdoba > Chipotle"

That's probably cause Qdoba gives u more meat, which Pits are bred to enjoy biting into.

6/23/2015 5:14:34 PM

Random article I found:

http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/anp/2013/07/30/the-science-of-how-behavior-is-inherited-in-aggressive-dogs/

Really good explanation about why dogs do what they do.

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"Research implicates the frontal cortex, subcortical structures, and lowered activity of the serotonergic system in impulsive aggression in both dogs and humans. Impulsive aggressive behavior in dogs seems to have a different biological basis than appropriate aggressive behavior. Kathelijne Peremans, DVM discovered this by studying two different populations of impulsively aggressive dogs. Each dog had executed one or more attacks without the classical preceding warnings, and the severity of the attacks was out of all proportion to environmental stimuli. Peremans found a significant difference in the frontal and temporal cortices of these dogs, but not in the subcortical areas, compared to normal dogs. Peremans also found significant dysfunctions of the serotonergic systems among these dogs. Serotonergic dysfunction has been widely shown in many different species to be connected to abnormal, impulsive aggression. Peremans studied dogs of various breeds, selected purely on the basis of their behavior. Peremans was not interested in implicating any particular breed, but rather in finding the mechanism behind the behavior in any dog it occurred in. She found that all of the dogs with a history of abnormal impulsive aggression shared the same physical abnormalities in the brain. The gender of the dog made no difference. Neither did whether the dog was castrated or spayed. Peremans left open the possibility that we will later find other physical factors that contribute to abnormal impulsive aggression. For example, the adrenergic system may also play an important role."

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"Form follows function: one cannot have a dog whose entire body and brain are adapted to executing the killing bite, without having a dog who will execute the killing bite."

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"Now that we know exactly which brain abnormalities the breeders of fighting dogs have been selecting, the assertion that this aggression is not heritable is no longer tenable. It is also not tenable to assert that not all the dogs of these breeds will carry the genes that make them dangerous. These genes may occasionally drop out through random accident, just as golden retriever may acquire the genes to be impulsively aggressive. But the failure to have these gene, in the aggressive breeds, is just that––a failure. It is therefore misleading to assert that the aggressive breeds will only have the selected genes as a matter of accident, or that most of them will be fit to interact safely with other animals and humans. "

He references a few different studies that look sound. Good read though.

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"[Alexandra Semyonova, a dog behaviorist and former Dutch SPCA inspector, is author of The 100 Silliest Things People Say About Dogs (Hastings Press, 2009.)]"

[Edited on June 23, 2015 at 5:25 PM. Reason : added author]

6/23/2015 5:21:27 PM

way overrated. Qdoba is heads and shoulders better

6/23/2015 5:24:07 PM

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"heads And shoulders"

6/23/2015 5:56:54 PM

^^^You do know that just because pitbulls have muscular looking jaws does not mean they have the strongest bites. Look it up, the pitbull is not the strongest biter.

6/23/2015 6:24:45 PM