hopefully the bacon has been marinated in gender fluid

[Edited on April 15, 2016 at 1:46 PM. Reason : lucky #7]

4/15/2016 1:46:41 PM

So maybe this has been covered already, haven't read the whole thread, but why is this being referred to as a LGBT issue? Isn't it just a T issue? Gay people, lesbians, and bisexuals are not seeing any sort of discrimination from it. I get that a lot of the time those groups fight for things together but it seems a little odd to me.

4/15/2016 8:16:08 PM

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"It was called "Gender Identity Disorder""

I remember that now.

4/16/2016 8:45:26 AM

I understand the thought process behind reclassifying it as "not a disorder" to try and be PC, but I think acknowledging that this is a mental disorder, and that these people need help, is more important.

4/16/2016 2:27:31 PM

your mistake has been pointed out to you

4/16/2016 2:42:12 PM

so what about prison? would it be discrimination to send a person to prison for their biological sex?

4/16/2016 6:33:24 PM

It absolutely could be, prison is hell for a lot of transgender people

4/16/2016 6:37:15 PM

I guess I can see that being true about a host of mental disorders, so what would be an appropriate standard for deciding which prison an individual would go to, specifically being transgender?

4/17/2016 11:06:41 AM

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"It absolutely could be, prison is hell for a lot of people"

FIFY

4/17/2016 11:11:22 AM

Seems like it would just be case by case based on what makes the most sense. There doesn't need to be absolute rules for everything, does there?

4/17/2016 1:09:34 PM

http://wral.com/15647393

4/17/2016 7:42:48 PM

^^

4/17/2016 8:01:08 PM

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"The doctors explain that, in some cases, babies are born with chromosomes that suggest a sex that does not match the child’s physical anatomy. The discrepancy can be caused by biological issues, including chromosome abnormalities, abnormalities in anatomic development, environmental exposure during pregnancy, genetic mutations, and tumors that produce sex hormones, they said. Read more at http://www.wral.com/nc-endocrinologists-hb2-causes-unnecessary-hardship-for-patients/15647393/#fkGQJiKScHMQImHv.99"

Such bigots... calling it an "abnormality" is offensive... we should call it something else so these babies commit suicide at a lower rate and aren't victims of bullying.

4/18/2016 1:36:52 AM

you say abnormality, I say mutant superpowers. but then you couldn't call them x-men.

4/18/2016 10:05:27 AM

xx-men, perhaps?

4/18/2016 10:34:19 AM

^ don't know why but I thought about xmen when I read the story yesterday

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"Seems like it would just be case by case based on what makes the most sense. There doesn't need to be absolute rules for everything, does there?"

Ideally, maybe there shouldn't have to be a rule for everything. But Charlotte's city council made a rule that any business that serves the public must allow transgender individuals to use any facility they choose. On a case by case basis, I can see how it will be no big deal for some businesses but might be a big deal for others.

I really don't see how a policy like this can not discriminate against someone.

4/18/2016 11:59:22 AM

i think you need to look up the definition for "discriminate"

4/18/2016 12:06:03 PM

^^ charlotte protected in law what people were already doing, it prevented discrimination.

HB2 forces all businesses to do things 1 way, removing any choices, in addition to setting limits on min wage and law suits. If your angle is 'government overreach" (like mccrory tried to say) HB2 is the actual overreach in this case.

4/18/2016 12:32:25 PM

in regards to the bathroom forcing part of HB2, it does not cover all businesses, only state buildings and schools

[Edited on April 18, 2016 at 12:39 PM. Reason : .]

4/18/2016 12:38:58 PM

I thought it included all businesses open to the public(the Charlotte ordinance). In that case, a YMCA would be required to allow an individual to choose whichever locker room they wished. If that causes them to lose business or go against their beliefs then how is that not discrimination?

[Edited on April 18, 2016 at 1:34 PM. Reason : alksjlk]

4/18/2016 1:33:59 PM

i can't find the exact text, but my understanding is that it prevented discrimination everywhere, yes

my comment was to moron, HB2 does not force all businesses to do things 1 way (discriminate), the bathroom part of the law only applies to government buildings and schools. Under HB2 any other private place is allowed to have policies that prevent discrimination.

4/18/2016 8:25:50 PM

^^ discrimination is usually in the eye of the beholder

4/18/2016 9:26:24 PM

which is why I don't know if there can be a policy where someone doesn't cry foul

4/18/2016 9:57:17 PM

Discrimination is in the eye of the beholder, and then when it isn't there it is invented by the left.

I have the exact same rights as a mentally ill transgender person, to use the bathroom that matches my biology. That is not discrimination. Mental delusion does not grant you additional rights above that of the majority, no matter how desperately the media and gullible masses attempt to frame this into an "oppressed victim" narrative.

4/19/2016 12:42:59 AM

"black people have the exact same right to use the bathroom that is designated for their race as i do"
"gay people have the exact same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as i do"
"handicap people have the exact same right to just walk up the stairs that i do"
etc...

idiot

4/19/2016 5:27:46 AM

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""black people have the exact same right to use the bathroom that is designated for their race as i do""

I wish a brave SJW such as yourself had been alive in the segregation era, I'm sure you would have made a great argument that "Race is a dynamic, fluid social construct" and that people should be able to use whatever bathroom they "feel" they currently identify with.

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""handicap people have the exact same right to just walk up the stairs that i do""

Are you now comparing being "trans" to being handicapped? I think that is very Transphobic of you. Also hypocritical after you claimed "Trans" isn't a disorder.

4/19/2016 2:10:53 PM

k

4/19/2016 2:15:44 PM

http://www.wral.com/court-overturns-virginia-school-s-transgender-bathroom-rule/15651089/

That should do it... Maybe save NC a few bucks too.

4/19/2016 2:15:54 PM

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"^^ charlotte protected in law what people were already doing, it prevented discrimination. "

This is the thing that gets me. People were already doing it. There were no bathroom police going around and checking birth certificates. By and large, transgendered adults were using the bathroom of their choice all across the state, in both businesses and public buildings, and no one was hassling anyone about it. I don't see why the morons here in Charlotte felt the need to push this issue, and in such an amazingly stupid way, because the status quo was ultimately what they wanted. Instead, they drew attention to it and allowed the morons in Raleigh to do their thing with HB2, ultimately making life (in the short term) worse for ALL LGBT people in the state, for absolutely no gain. I feel like the aims of Jennifer Roberts would have been much better served by not poking the bear in Raleigh like this, but that's just me.

4/19/2016 9:51:32 PM

I can only imagine everything wasn't as hunky dory as you suggest, but I'm haven't read too much into the impetus for the Charlotte law.

4/19/2016 9:54:02 PM

People in Charlotte don't give a fuck what you do in the bathroom. Get some head, do a bunch of blow, take a shit and smear it on the walls. It's all good in the crown town.

4/19/2016 9:58:46 PM

so what if you stop calling restrooms that correspond with gender identity and call them rooms that correspond with anatomical differences? would that satisfy both sides?

4/20/2016 7:54:54 AM

No. No matter what is said or done one group or another is going to be pissed. People are too fucking stupid and too nosey for there to be peace on any issue.

4/20/2016 9:02:25 AM

perhaps they wanted the bear to not get re-elected.

4/20/2016 9:19:52 AM

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"This is the thing that gets me. People were already doing it. There were no bathroom police going around and checking birth certificates. By and large, transgendered adults were using the bathroom of their choice all across the state, in both businesses and public buildings, and no one was hassling anyone about it. I don't see why the morons here in Charlotte felt the need to push this issue, and in such an amazingly stupid way, because the status quo was ultimately what they wanted. Instead, they drew attention to it and allowed the morons in Raleigh to do their thing with HB2, ultimately making life (in the short term) worse for ALL LGBT people in the state, for absolutely no gain."

This has basically been my thoughts on the matter. I am not sure all of this attention on the matter has helped or will help anyone going into the future.

4/20/2016 9:38:27 AM

i'm still amazed that everyone is only talking about the bathroom part of HB2, which is hardly the worst part of the new law

4/20/2016 10:21:46 AM

your roads are fine.

4/20/2016 1:42:57 PM

the men's room can be renamed "the dangle room"

4/20/2016 2:54:49 PM

^^ this guy dances the macarena

[Edited on April 20, 2016 at 3:11 PM. Reason : wears abercrombie]

4/20/2016 3:11:01 PM

I'm going to identify as transgender and go into the women's locker room like



note: I just saw this pic in the Euphalo thread and wanted to use it

[Edited on April 20, 2016 at 4:05 PM. Reason : I realize the law only applied to government bathrooms]

4/20/2016 4:01:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfO1veFs6Ho

The line between reality and delusion... blurred by liberals.

4/21/2016 2:05:02 AM

Hahaha LOL, "liberal redneck" weighs in on the issue

https://www.facebook.com/tncrowder21/videos/10100695098160038/

4/21/2016 7:11:49 AM

Trump came out in favor of transgendered people using whatever bathrooms they want. I think if he locks up the nomination we will see more "liberal" type comments from him.

4/21/2016 9:51:20 AM

^ Of course you will. He's a Democrat and always has been

4/22/2016 8:46:34 PM

Democrat is the new Republican

4/22/2016 9:03:37 PM

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"He's a Democrat and always has been"

Nope.

Not even close.

4/23/2016 12:01:37 AM

Aside from his retarded immigration policies, and his views on healthcare, how is he not a Democrat?

He's pro big government, pro-choice, pro-lgbt. I haven't heard his stance on entitlements, but hell, even Bill Clintion wasn't huge on entitlements.

What else is left that would identify him as a Republican? Real question.

4/23/2016 9:49:50 AM

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"What else is left that would identify him as a Republican? Real question."

Plenty: http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

And to the "always has been" point:

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"A 2011 report by the Center for Responsive Politics showed that over the previous two decades of U.S. elections, Donald Trump made contributions to campaigns of both Republican Party and Democratic Party candidates, with the top 10 recipients of his political contributions being six Democrats and four Republicans.[207] After 2011, his campaign contributions were more favorable to Republicans than to Democrats.[208] Trump was an early supporter of Republican Ronald Reagan for U.S. president,[209] and in February 2012 endorsed Republican Mitt Romney for president.[210] When asked in 2015 which recent president was best, Trump picked Democrat Bill Clinton over Republicans George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush.[211][212] The Clintons' foundation has received between $100,000 and $250,000 from Trump,[213] and they attended Trump's 2005 wedding reception.[214] Trump wrote in 2008 that Hillary Clinton would be a "great president or vice-president."[215] Trump's party affiliation has changed over the years. Until 1987, he was a Democrat;[3] then he was a Republican from 1987 to 1999.[2] He then switched to the Reform Party from 1999 to 2001.[2] After a presidential exploratory campaign with the Reform Party, he wrote an OpEd in the New York Times stating that he was leaving the Reform Party because of the involvement of "David Duke, Pat Buchanan and Lenora Fulani. That is not company I wish to keep."[216] From 2001 to 2009 he was a Democrat again;[2] he switched to the Republican Party again from 2009 to 2011.[2] An independent from 2011 to 2012, he returned to the Republican Party in 2012, where he has remained.[2]"

4/23/2016 10:14:55 AM

PhD authored article I hadn't seen previously posted.

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2016/01/16143/

A pull quote:

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"There exists no consensus among psychiatrists on the question of which nonconformists fall—or should fall—into the medical category of mentally disordered. There is no consensus among the nonconformists either. Difficult, too, is the fact that most transgendered people do not regard themselves as mentally ill and do not wish to be identified as “disabled.”"

4/23/2016 12:17:35 PM

^^Ok, so all of his points aren't Democratic, but many certainly aren't Republican either. He wants to

cut defense spending (D)
cut Dept of Ed and EPA (R)
pro planned-parenthood (D)
pro affirmative action (D)
anti PC (R)
0% corporate tax (R)
pro charter schools, school competition (R)
pro eminent domain (?)
waffles on climate change (?)
not pro-Isreal (D)

I mean he's all over the place.

4/23/2016 3:00:55 PM