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"everything about this case was created by racial bias, including the fact that zimmerman's not in jail right now"

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"So what would you charge him with then? First degree murder?"

3/9/2012 3:41:15 PM

3/9/2012 3:41:33 PM

So, what is the DA going to look at when they review it? Your racial bias conspiracies or the police report? While you can talk about your conspiracies all day, I don't care to debate those as opposed to debating what will be on the official report that is used by the DA. I'm talking about what is known, what is in the file, and what happens with that.

If you want to play the conspiracy game, let's create a new thread.

3/9/2012 3:43:53 PM

I just want them to release the 911 tapes already

3/9/2012 3:48:49 PM

^this

3/9/2012 3:50:23 PM

I just wanna hear how maniacal and deranged he sounds on the phone before the killing

BUT THEY ALWAYS GET AWAY!!!.....NOT THIS TIME MOTHERFUCKER!!!

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 3:54 PM. Reason : ~]

3/9/2012 3:54:03 PM

haha.

but that statement does have some merit to it. all too often a call to the police is worthless because in the 15-60 minutes it takes them to arrive, the persona/criminal is long gone. So just by following, he wasn't in the wrong. Yes, looking back, he should have just stayed in the vehicle/done a better job of trailing. Up to that point, nothing illegal was done. then the fight broke out. then the kid got shot. who started the fight is probably the key evidence here - up until then, everything is fine (legally speaking)....

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 3:57 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 3:57:34 PM

If only the kid had a CCW he could have just blasted the creeper following him and everyone would be happy.

CCW PERMITS FOR MINORS NOW!

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 4:44 PM. Reason : what's more suspicious, walking back from a store or following someone slowly in a truck]

3/9/2012 4:43:26 PM

3/9/2012 4:45:51 PM

If I shoot and kill someone after having an argument, do you really think it's proper police procedure for them to say, "Whelp, you go home and take a load off. We'll do an investigation. Have a nice day sir?"

Are you fucking kidding me? The dude murdered a guy. Self-defense isn't something you avoid arrest with. The police arrest and detain you pending an investigation, because as of now you're a murderer. If it's ruled self-defense, insanity, gun mis-fire, whatever, that's for the DA to decide. You argue that shit in court. The police aren't the prosecution. A guy murdered someone. He admitted to it. ARREST HIM.

But for the police to fucking let the guy go home after questioning him just smacks of Good ol' Boy White cornbread fucking nigger thug deserved it racism.

3/9/2012 4:46:38 PM

^no, but that's what happened, thus the evidence thus far points to a justified shooting, and not a murder. thanks for agreeing with me. and you don't arrest/charge someone that you have no evidence against.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 4:48 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 4:47:40 PM

What evidence do you have that it was a justified shooting? At all? Anything beyond "black kids are scary in my white community?"

3/9/2012 4:49:33 PM

Don't have evidence? He followed someone then killed him.

3/9/2012 4:50:12 PM

I mean it's not like this shit hasn't happened before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshihiro_Hattori

3/9/2012 4:50:37 PM

what evidence do you have that points to him being a murderer? (note, there is a distinction between murderer and killing someone in self defense)

based on the entire report known thus far, you'd charge the guy with murder?

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM. Reason : /]

3/9/2012 4:51:05 PM

1. Racially motivated. "They always get away" combined with a Black kid in a White suburban community at night.

2. The man pursued the victim, despite the victim posing no direct threat to the man. The victim was not attacking the man. The victim was not armed. The victim did not even know the man until the man approached him.

3. The victim had no criminal record. The man had a prior run in with police.

3/9/2012 4:53:27 PM

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"you don't arrest/charge someone that you have no evidence against."

Actually, the police routinely arrest people and hold them until such time they can gather evidence and/or can build a case against them.

3/9/2012 4:54:21 PM

ahaha, that's your evidence?

1. How do you know the "they" meant a black kid? how did he not mean suspicious people in general? that's how I took it when I first read it.

2. Pursued? He followed and then was approached by the kid (according to the article)

3. Past record != guilt in future crimes.

^yeh, when they reasonably believe the person is guilty, will be charged, and there is going to be evidence to support such. that didn't happen here.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 4:55 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 4:55:19 PM

"They always get away" couldn't possibly be referring to tresspassers or thieves in general, could it?

God is the worst fucking user on this site.

3/9/2012 4:55:27 PM

What possible situation would the kid attack the man?

They say that Zimmerman had a bloodied nose and there was a fight. I will concede this. But why would that happen?

Do you think that the kid just decided, "Fuck it, I'm going to assault this random guy?"

No, of course not.

And why the hell did Zimmerman carry a gun? Do you usually assume that teenagers are walking around with firearms in your community and thus feel the need to arm yourself?

Of course not. But a man who thinks that all Black kids are armed thugs would.

Zimmerman escalated the conflict, likely through racial epithets or taunting the kid. There is no situation in which the kid would assault Zimmerman without threats or provocation. If this is true, then Zimmerman is guilty of murder for starting a fight.

^Ah yes, just like "thugs" or "welfare queens" or "gang bangers" are never code words, right? And remind me where the article mentions repeated thefts in the neighborhood?

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2012 4:57:38 PM

I would hope that at this point we could move away from the police's actions at the time as any indication of guilt, charges, etc...

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM. Reason : ETC. ETCETERA]

3/9/2012 4:58:13 PM

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"He followed and then was approached by the kid"

There's only one testimony here. The testimony of the person who killed the other person. The testimony of the person who doesn't want to get charged with murder. I am sure he would tell the whole truth, right?

3/9/2012 4:59:20 PM

^^^good lord what an idiot.

he didn't arm himself because of the kid. he has a cch permit... he probably always carries... which is perfectly legal.

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"Do you think that the kid just decided, "Fuck it, I'm going to assault this random guy?" No, of course not."

He could. it's happened before, so why not here?

^WHAT FUCKING EVIDENCE/INFORMATION ARE WE GOING TO HAVE? Base your arguments on what is known. Not what conspiracy you create. If evidence points to the guy just shooting the kid, then he is a murderer.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 4:59:50 PM

Yes, that's totally likely. I mean, whatever fits your racially biased just world philosophy I guess.

3/9/2012 5:00:31 PM

In Florida, "Around blacks, never relax" is valid legal defense.

3/9/2012 5:01:28 PM

You're the one coming up with racial slogans, not me.

The mere fact that you think that some people won't pick a fight with another person over nothing proves your ignorance. not saying that happened here, but it happens.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 5:01:51 PM

LOL at your dumb ass comparing the word "they" to "welfare queen" and "gang banger"

your post is nothing but racially-charged drivel.

in the same post, you admit the only ones that know what happened are the kid and the shooter. but you're so quick to insist he's a cold-blooded murderer.

seriously...GTFO.

3/9/2012 5:02:57 PM

Also remind me how an unarmed 17 year old threatens you with serious bodily harm while you're armed with a loaded gun inside your vehicle, causing you to exit your vehicle and confront him and shoot him in the chest.

I'll wait. Come up with a plausible story.

3/9/2012 5:03:16 PM

well, a 17 year old can kill a man with his bare fists...

and being armed is irrelevant for both people.

and again, you conveniently left out the part of the assault.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 5:04:14 PM

I guess the article forgot to mention the kid as 6 foot 5, 250 lbs MMA champion with a black belt in every martial arts discipline.

I mean the guy was so afraid for his life he just had to get out of his car and shoot the kid in the chest.

3/9/2012 5:05:29 PM

assault somewhere in there. what matters is who started the assault. that is not known and will determine if this guy is a murderer or acted in self defense.

so you're saying the only time lethal force is justified is when the assailant wants to put an RPG down your throat?

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 5:06:14 PM

Think of a reason beyond "he just randomly did it. the kid just randomly felt like killing someone that day so he attacked a guy armed with a gun."

3/9/2012 5:06:59 PM

maybe if the black kid had just started chanting USA USA USA, wdprice wouldn't have a problem with a white guy following him for no reason and then shooting him. lock the fucker up

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"The police arrest and detain you pending an investigation, because as of now you're a murderer."

someone doesn't understand the concept of "innocent until proven guilty," but I get your point. in every case where someone kills another person, the killer isn't always arrested immediately, but in this case, he probably should have been

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2012 5:07:18 PM

Why am I even arguing with you? You're just a dumb racist.

"NO YOU'RE THE REAL RACIST. LIBERALS ARE THE REAL RACISTS BECAUSE THEY PLAY THE RACE CARD AND RACISTS ARE BAD AND THEREFORE I CAN'T BE A RACIST."

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 5:07 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2012 5:07:21 PM

.The kid more than likely didn't know the guy was armed... so...

You can create your conspiracy all you want, I'm not playing that game. I'm playing the game involving what is known. I don't know why the kid would have started the fight, that's why there's an investigation. But to just assume that the other guy is guilty because of a lack of evidence isn't right.


Haha, no real argument, just call the opposition racist! A true liberal move. Been using it for years.

Well this has been fun. I hope I never end up in court, especially with any of you on a jury. Innocent until proven guilty is long gone on you guys.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 5:08:31 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_attribution_error

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"The ultimate attribution error is a cognitive error committed by prejudiced people in which negative behaviors are attributed to the personality of outgroup members, and are extended to all of the members of that outgroup. Negative behaviors by ingroup members are attributed to situational, or external causes, and do not have the same impact on judgments of the ingroup as a group. Essentially, people who commit this fallacy will usually see members of other races or religions as genetically and/or dispositionally inferior or flawed, while people from their own racial or religious ingroup, upon committing the same negative behaviors, are good people who are dealing with specific situations the best they can. Conversely, people who commit this error see positive acts from outgroup members as exceptions to the rule, or attribute these positive actions to unfair advantages, by which the outgroup member is “privileged” (i.e. affirmative action)."

3/9/2012 5:09:40 PM

yeah, let's play the game with what we know. black kid is walking down the street in a predominantly white neighborhood, and the "neighborhood watch leader" thinks that's suspicious enough to call the police, much less follow the kid with a gun.

3/9/2012 5:10:34 PM

Thanks for posting that. It appears that I do not fall under that description.

You guys have to learn to separate the facts here. Part of this story is more than likely going to be irrelevant. The guy broke no laws up until the fight. When the fight started is when the important unknown lies.

You can say he's racist for following the guy/thinking he was suspicious due to his race, but since when is that illegal?

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 5:11:20 PM

3/9/2012 5:11:38 PM

Wdprice3, I'm going to submit you to systematic abuse and harassment for the majority of your growing years, where everyone of a majority group assumes you are up to no good simply because of your race.

And then I'm going to follow you one night in a car, slowly, behind you, when you're doing nothing.

When you get fed up and ask me what the problem is, I'm going to get out of the car and confront you.

When we get into an inevitable fight, I'm going to shoot and kill you.

And it will be justified.

Thanks.

3/9/2012 5:12:44 PM

ah yes, the blame everyone else argument

3/9/2012 5:13:26 PM

well, you tell me. What, particularly, is suspicious about a black kid walking down the street with a bag of skittles and a bottle of tea. what, exactly, about that situation makes you think it's necessary to call the cops. because right now, you are saying the "neighborhood watch leader" was perfectly right to call the cops and follow the kid with a gun. right now you are saying that NOTHING about this guy's response makes you raise an eyebrow

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2012 5:13:30 PM

I forgot to mention I'm a CCW holder with a hard-on for being a cop just looking for a chance to blast away bad guys so I run the neighborhood watch in my community.

3/9/2012 5:14:32 PM

self-appointed "neighborhood watch leader"

3/9/2012 5:14:45 PM

Quote :

"well, you tell me. What, particularly, is suspicious about a black kid walking down the street with a bag of skittles and a bottle of tea. what, exactly, about that situation makes you think it's necessary to call the cops. because right now, you are saying the "neighborhood watch leader" was perfectly right to call the cops and follow the kid with a gun "

Hint: It's about racism.

3/9/2012 5:16:10 PM

inorite? them skittles is coloured!

3/9/2012 5:20:24 PM

wdprice3 tells people not to make up conspiracies.

Instead we should believe the guy who shot the kid with no witnesses. After all, what reason would he have to lie (besides not being charged with murder)?

3/9/2012 5:21:27 PM

yeah, but it takes 2 to have a conspiracy. if you kill everyone else involved, you're in the clear!

3/9/2012 5:26:29 PM

I'm still confused as to why they let the dude go home. He lives in a gated community at age 26? And he once got into a scuffle with police before without an arrest?


I'm gonna go ahead and assume that this dude is pretty well connected. If he was smart, he would have at least sprinkled some crack on the kid before the cops showed up.

3/9/2012 5:50:07 PM

THE COPS DON'T CARE ABOUT DEAD NIGGERS
THE COPS DON'T CARE ABOUT DEAD NIGGERS
THE COPS DON'T CARE ABOUT DEAD NIGGERS
THE COPS DON'T CARE ABOUT DEAD NIGGERS
THE COPS DON'T CARE ABOUT DEAD NIGGERS
THE COPS DON'T CARE ABOUT DEAD NIGGERS

3/9/2012 5:51:51 PM