Quote :

"Police handcuff 40 innocent motorists at gunpoint for two hours as they act on a tip to catch a bank robber at intersection Police in Colorado stopped 25 cars and arrested and detained 40 innocent people over two hours as they turned their hunt for a bank robbery suspect into a frenzied blind search. Handcuffing every adult at gunpoint, the intersection of E. Iliff Avenue and S. Buckley Road in Aurora, Colorado, turned into a chaotic scene as police swarmed the area looking for the suspected robber. 'Cops came in from every direction and just threw their car in front of my car,' said Sonya Romero, who was one of the drivers who had been handcuffed by police. Scroll Down for Video Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2155427/Police-handcuff-40-innocent-motorists-gunpoint-hours-act-tip-catch-bank-robber-intersection.html#ixzz1x4AJEEsK "

6/6/2012 9:21:03 PM

Hey I used to live very near to Iliff and Buckley!

6/7/2012 9:31:38 AM

seriously guys. black helicopters........

6/7/2012 10:40:05 AM

6/10/2012 6:33:39 PM

http://consumerist.com/2012/06/ripping-up-a-parking-ticket-in-front-of-police-may-get-you-tased-even-if-youre-pregnant.html

Nice.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/06/47162.htm

This is not the first time somebody has been toned up following police mistaking diabetic shock for intoxication. This time, the guy died.

http://articles.philly.com/2012-06-08/news/32125119_1_u-haul-patrol-car-criminal-justice-system

But for video, this goes completely differently. How many times does video evidence have to prove that cops lie as much as anyone else (maybe more so) and their word shouldn't carry any more weight than anyone else. Furthermore, how the hell is the citizenry not clamoring for mandatory officer mounted cameras?

[Edited on June 11, 2012 at 11:10 AM. Reason : asdfs]

6/11/2012 11:07:43 AM

http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/11/funeral-puppycide-mistaken-gunfire-wounded-cop-threats-ransacking/

This one looks like a gem.

6/11/2012 3:51:27 PM

http://youtu.be/jfdEbe7e9GE

Quote :

"I was detained by Portland PD officer J McDonald on 26MAY2012. He detains me without suspicion of any criminal activity in violation of Delaware v Prouse. He admits his sole reason for stopping me is my legally carried firearm in violation of US v DeBerry. He seizes my weapon with no reasonable suspicion that I've committed a crime in violation of Terry v Ohio. He demands my ID without reasonable suspicion in violation of Hiibel v Nevada."

What the guy doesn't say in his description is, after Officer McDonald's supervisor arrives, he asks what he is being detained for, cites his legal rights and authority, and receives his gun back and is allowed to leave unmolested.

Embed pls?

6/22/2012 10:53:23 AM

Wow, so he was only illegally detained.

Look, it shouldn't take somebody educating the police and having to get a supervisor on scene to not be illegally detained. The police are going to lose if there's a civil suit. They clearly violated several of his constitutional rights.

Open carry individuals are probably the least dangerous people in a society to the public or to law enforcement.

The harassment of citizens open carrying is just as detestable as the harassment of journalists or as is more commonly the case non-professional citizen journalists.

6/22/2012 10:25:55 PM

Quote :

"They clearly violated several of his constitutional rights."

Our constitutional rights are being violated every damn day. You can't count on the courts to uphold the constitution. They are part of the corruption.


Unconstitutional search and seizure: When TSA goes through your bags and confiscates items.

Unconstitutional quartering of soldiers: Obama passed the NDAA, he now has the power to declare martial law in peacetime, including taking over your house and land by military force.

Unconstitutional detention: Obama passed the NDAA, declaring that Americans suspected of terrorism can be held indefinitely without habeas corpus without right to a speedy trial. Even if they are found innocent by jury, the government can still hold them indefinitely, in a secret or public prison.

Unconstitutional law abridging the right to protest: Obama made it illegal to protest on federal property.
Unconstitutional law abridging the right to protest: Obama made it illegal to protest where there is secret service. So if you unwittingly stroll along the way without knowing secret service is near by, you can be arrested.

Unconstitutional search and seizure: When police raid your house, you are responsible for fixing the damage, whether innocent or guilty. When police raid your house, they can take all your electronics and laptops and not give them back.


Every single part of the Constitution has been violated. It's time for our revolution.


[Edited on June 22, 2012 at 10:40 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2012 10:38:51 PM

Quote :

" Unconstitutional law abridging the right to protest: Obama made it illegal to protest where there is secret service. So if you unwittingly stroll along the way without knowing secret service is near by, you can be arrested."

Pretty sure an almost identical law has been in effect for over 40 years.

6/22/2012 10:51:08 PM

Quote :

"President Obama signed into law on March 8, 2012 HR 347, also known as the Trespass Bill, which makes it a federal offense to protest near government buildings and grounds, as well as any location where any politician or foreign dignitary protected by the Secret Service is visiting, or at any “special event of national significance.” We will now face up to ten years in jail for causing a disturbance if we happen to be anywhere near one of these anointed venues. "

6/22/2012 11:05:51 PM

Kurtis636, you may have misunderstood my comments.

I was not defending the police.

I was highlighting that a citizen informed of his rights can easily stick it to the cops who think they can harass an individual because they either don't know his rights or assume he doesn't know his rights.

Maybe it would have been clear if, after my comment, I had said:

LIKE A BOSS

6/22/2012 11:44:06 PM

Yup, that would have worked. Sorry to misinterpret your position.

6/22/2012 11:54:37 PM

I'm about 99% certain that guy called the cops on himself.

6/23/2012 1:25:41 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/18/nyregion/thousands-march-silently-to-protest-stop-and-frisk-policies.html?_r=1&smid=tw-share

6/23/2012 9:04:31 AM

Quote :

"President Obama signed into law on March 8, 2012 HR 347, also known as the Trespass Bill, which makes it a federal offense to protest near government buildings and grounds, as well as any location where any politician or foreign dignitary protected by the Secret Service is visiting, or at any “special event of national significance.” We will now face up to ten years in jail for causing a disturbance if we happen to be anywhere near one of these anointed venues. "

You do realize, like I said, that slightly modifies a 1971 law?

Of course you don't.

Yes, in theory, it could mean the secret service would have a slightly easier time arresting some dumb fucker that's trespassing. Cry me a river.

Quote :

"We will now face up to ten years in jail for causing a disturbance if we happen to be anywhere near one of these anointed venues"

Quote :

"(1) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, if— (A) the person, during and in relation to the offense, uses or carries a deadly or dangerous weapon or firearm; or (B) the offense results in significant bodily injury as defined by section 2118 (e)(3); and"

I guess the people you quote often protest with weapons and cause bodily injury to people? Or are they just trying to be sensationalists to get the attention of misinformed people like you who will harp on anything that is anti gubment.

[Edited on June 23, 2012 at 9:51 AM. Reason : ]

6/23/2012 9:43:17 AM

Closer to the convention; closer to martial law

St Louis Missouri Army Tank Urban Driver Training June 21-28 2012
http://youtu.be/LtLU9D-g_mA

6/23/2012 7:20:07 PM

Austin Man Facing 10 Years in Prison After Photographing Cop Making Arrest




It was just after midnight on New Year’s Day when Antonio Buehler spotted a pair of Austin cops manhandling a woman at a gas station during a DUI investigation, so he pulled out his cell phone and began taking photos.

That, of course, prompted one of the cops to storm up to him and accuse him of interfering with the investigation.

Austin police officer Pat Oborski shoved Buehler against his truck before handcuffing him. He later claimed in his arrest report that Buehler had spit in his face.

Buehler was charged with resisting arrest and felony harassment on a public servant, the latter punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

After spending 16 hours in jail, Buehler began seeking witnesses to the incident.

“We started posting flyers around the gas station,” Buehler said in an interview with Photography is Not a Crime Sunday afternoon.

“I went on Facebook and on Twitter and I put something up on Craig’s List.”

By January 4, he had obtained a video from a witness who had been standing across the street watching the exchange between Buehler and Oborski.

The video doesn’t show Buehler spitting on the cop but it might be difficult to capture that from across the street with a cell phone camera.

However, it does show Oborski pinning Buehler against the truck, making it obvious that the cop had stormed up to him rather than the other way around.


http://www.pixiq.com/article/austin-man-facing-10-years-in-prison

[Edited on June 24, 2012 at 10:05 PM. Reason : .]

6/24/2012 10:05:26 PM

6/25/2012 8:27:41 PM

Story behind this facebook picture:






In one of the most egregious violations of the First Amendment’s guarantee of free speech seen in quite some time, Tarek Mehanna, an American Muslim, was convicted this week in a federal court in Boston and then sentenced yesterday to 17 years in prison. He was found guilty of supporting Al Qaeda (by virtue of translating Terrorists’ documents into English and expressing “sympathetic views” to the group) as well as conspiring to “murder” U.S. soldiers in Iraq (i.e., to wage war against an invading army perpetrating an aggressive attack on a Muslim nation). I’m still traveling and don’t have much time today to write about the case itself — Adam Serwer several months ago wrote an excellent summary of why the prosecution of Mehanna is such an odious threat to free speech and more background on the case is here, and I’ve written before about the growing criminalization of free speech under the Bush and Obama DOJs, whereby Muslims are prosecuted for their plainly protected political views — but I urge everyone to read something quite amazing:Mehanna’s incredibly eloquent, thoughtful statement at his sentencing hearing, before being given a 17-year prison term.

At some point in the future, I believe history will be quite clear about who the actual criminals are in this case: not Mehanna, but rather the architects of the policies he felt compelled to battle and the entities that have conspired to consign him to a cage for two decades:

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/13/the_real_criminals_in_the_tarek_mehanna_case/

7/3/2012 1:53:34 PM

7/6/2012 3:27:30 PM

Remember when they said you couldn't bring outside food or drink through security basically forcing you to spend "we have you over a barrel" prices at airport eateries? I was suspicious that this wasn't security theater like most TSA regulations but probably had something to do with kickbacks from certain corporations to TSA and various airport regulators.

Turns out I was wrong. http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/07/05/now-tsa-wants-to-test-passengers-beverages-at-the-gate/. Now they want to test the stuff you buy after you go through security too.

How fucking ridiculous. When are we going to say enough is enough and go back to a semblance or normalcy or at least effective screening instead of this nonsense?

7/6/2012 3:35:28 PM

Quote :

"are we going to say enough is enough and go back to a semblance or normalcy or at least effective screening instead of this nonsense?"

Assume it's never going to happen.

7/6/2012 3:55:35 PM

^^ great vid.

US
5% of world's population
25% of world's prisoners

It's because you make money from jailing people.

In a related note, say hello to RPD's new quota system:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/11285330/

7/7/2012 3:11:04 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170677/Caroline-Stern-George-Hess-arrested-dancing-New-York-City-subway-platform.html?ICO=most_read_module

Quote :

"Couple, 54 and 55, arrested and spent 23 hours in jail for DANCING at train platform A two-stepping couple in their 50s say were trotted off to jail after police in New York City arrested them for dancing on a subway platform. Caroline Stern, a dentist, and George Hess, a movie prop master, were waiting for a train at the Columbus Circle station after a late evening at Jazz at Lincoln Center’s Midsummer Night’s Swing last year when they began dancing the Charleston to a musician playing the steel drums. Ms Stern says she and her boyfriend were feeling the beat and there were very few people on the platform so they started moving to the rhythm. That's when police came in and spoiled the fun, they told the New York Post. 'They said, "What are you doing?" and we said, "We’re dancing,"' she recalled. 'And they said, "You can’t do that on the platform."' The officers demanded their ID. When Ms Stern only had a credit car, the police ordered the couple to go with them. When Mr Hess pulled out a camera to start recording the incident, the officers called for backup and the situation turned nasty, the couple says. They claim more police ran to the subway platform and tackled Mr Hess, 54, to the floor and handcuffed him. Ms Stern, 55, was also cuffed and arrested. Officers charged them with resiting arrested and disorderly conduct for 'impeding the flow of traffic.' Ms Stern told the Post the subway station was nearly empty at the time. 'It was absolutely ridiculous that this happened,' she said. Prosecutors dropped all charges against the couple, though not before they spent 23 hours in jail. As a result of the arrested, Ms Stern and Mr Hess are now suing the city of New York for the arrest."

7/10/2012 5:57:24 PM

The other Syrian threads were past 90 days


Russian Warships Sent on Maneuvers Near Syria
By ANDREW E. KRAMER
Published: July 10, 2012

MOSCOW — Russia, which seems intent on positioning itself as an increasingly decisive broker in the Syrian crisis, announced on Tuesday that a flotilla of navy vessels had sailed to the Mediterranean Sea and some would dock in the Syrian port of Tartus. The naval group includes several landing craft with marines.

The voyage and naval maneuvers seemed designed to convey a message that Russian leaders would protect their interests in Syria, Russia’s most important relationship in the Middle East, even as they restrict new shipments of weapons to President Bashar al-Assad’s government until the conflict subsides, as military export officials had announced on Monday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/11/world/middleeast/russia-sends-warships-on-maneuvers-near-syria.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

7/10/2012 7:50:25 PM

Are you a Jew?
Yes or No?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDCXzqgD99o&feature=player_embedded

7/12/2012 12:42:29 AM

If it was really a police state he would have been killed or put in a gulag. Maybe you'll get this difference at some point.

7/12/2012 8:36:05 AM

Quote :

"If it was really a police state he would have been killed or put in a gulag. Maybe you'll get this difference at some point."

Just think...
if that had happened...
you're way too late and fucked to do anything.

If you see kids playing on the edge of a large drop, you don't wait for them to fall off before you yell at them. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

People, like disco, will defend the government's right to force you to wear a seatbelt for your safety, but people won't defend the people's rights for protecting themselves against tyranny.

[Edited on July 12, 2012 at 11:06 AM. Reason : .]

7/12/2012 11:05:17 AM

7/12/2012 11:13:07 AM

Iran Pres Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Greets Orthodox Jew Rabbis With Respect

http://youtu.be/7xZM7WOO1-s



Just throwing this out there.

7/12/2012 9:26:32 PM

The Official List – Using these words online will put you in the crosshairs Big Brother’s multi-billion dollar spy machine


Domestic Security
Assassination
Attack
Domestic security
Drill
Exercise
Cops
Law enforcement
Authorities
Disaster assistance
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DNDO (Domestic Nuclear
Detection Office)
National preparedness
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(MDA)
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initiative
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team (DMAT)
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event)
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(WHO) (and components)
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& Key Resources)
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equivalents)
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Device)
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http://catchkevin.com/social-network-monitoring-manual/

7/16/2012 2:22:46 PM

Quote :

"The Official List – Using these words online will put you in the crosshairs Big Brother’s multi-billion dollar spy machine"

No offense, but I find this a bit hard to swallow. Any of these words would probably put at least half of the global Internet population on that list, and while I do believe there are abuses by our government in monitoring certain activities, there is literally not enough computational firepower on the entire planet to process and track the activities of every single person who uses any one of these words. Just a thought.

7/16/2012 3:05:55 PM

Quote :

"Iran Pres Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Greets Orthodox Jew Rabbis With Respect http://youtu.be/7xZM7WOO1-s Just throwing this out there."

Those are anti-zionist jews at a holocaust denial event in Iran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yisroel_Dovid_Weiss
is the first guy he was shaking hands with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_to_Review_the_Global_Vision_of_the_Holocaust

Why the fuck am I spending any time with your lies?

[Edited on July 16, 2012 at 3:50 PM. Reason : event]

7/16/2012 3:49:41 PM

Outrage as police shoot and kill the wrong man in hunt for attempted murder suspect, after showing up unannounced in the middle of the night

Quote :

"An innocent man was shot dead by police after deputies mistook him for an attempted murder suspect. Lake County, Florida officers showed up at the Blueberry Hill apartment of Andrew Scott at around 1.30am on Sunday Roused from his bed in the middle of the night by an unknown presence at his property, Andrew Scott answered the door holding a gun. Officers had not announced who they were because they did not want the man they thought was inside, Jonathan Brown, to escape. sheriff's spokesman Lt. John Herrell said their silence was 'tactically advantageous'. On seeing that Scott was armed officers immediately opened fire with a shower of bullets that killed the 26-year-old and left several holes in his front door."

7/16/2012 11:19:01 PM

Quote :

"Officers had not announced who they were because they did not want the man they thought was inside, Jonathan Brown, to escape."

when are we gonna learn that police should always be required to announce their presence, regardless of the situation.

Quote :

"their silence was 'tactically advantageous'"

apparently not

7/17/2012 9:20:20 AM

Why bother posting stuff like that in this thread? While grossly and tragically negligent it has literally nothing to do with becoming a police state.

If there was a chitchat thread titled Cops Who Are Shitty At Their Job it would be perfect for that.

7/17/2012 1:10:20 PM

what's wrong with
1) positively identifying suspect
2) confirming suspect's location
3) surrounding suspect's location
4) working through situations instead of smash and grab

?

I realize it's not this easy every time, but it seems that the go to method now is SWAT/para-military procedures of busting in on people and shooting it out.

7/17/2012 1:55:50 PM

Fugitive caught after 18 years on the run
July 18, 2012
Jeffrey Reed Parish was tracked to a picturesque lakeside town that’s home to many Westerners.

Mexico Police Arrest U.S. Fugitive after 24 Years on the Run
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/07/15/mexico-police-arrest-us-fugitive-after-24-years-on-run/#ixzz210DYdaos

Hungarian police arrest most wanted Nazi war crime suspect
July 18, 2012

(JTA) -- A fugitive suspected Nazi war criminal who helped send 15,700 Jews to their deaths was taken into custody by Hungarian police days after being tracked down in Budapest by a British tabloid newspaper.

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/07/18/3101061/hungarian-police-arrest-most-wanted-nazi-war-crime-suspect



they'll get you and time is no obstacle.

7/18/2012 3:04:44 PM

Are you arguing that there should be a statute of limitations for murder and war crimes?

7/18/2012 3:13:20 PM

Are you saying the world didn't survive with these murderers living among the population for 18 to 60 years?



yes, I am saying there should be a statute of limitation. If you can survive for more than 24 years without getting caught, I believe you have earned your freedom.

[Edited on July 18, 2012 at 3:20 PM. Reason : .]

7/18/2012 3:16:15 PM

So 24 years is your cutoff point?

7/18/2012 3:20:47 PM

Your view of the legitimacy of these arrests and prosecutions depends on what you believe the purpose of prison is. Prison as punishment, deterrent, rehabilitation, or sequestration all lead to different conclusions on what to do when people flee.

7/18/2012 3:22:22 PM

All cases are unique and there is always an exception to a blanket statement.

7/18/2012 3:23:44 PM

Quote :

"Why bother posting stuff like that in this thread? While grossly and tragically negligent it has literally nothing to do with becoming a police state. If there was a chitchat thread titled Cops Who Are Shitty At Their Job it would be perfect for that."

Several reasons. The number one reason being that this is far from an isolated incident and this way of operating, no knock warrants and similar tactics are all too common and frequently result in things like or similar to what happened in this case. Increased police militarization and lack of accountability to the public is a huge step towards a police state.

Dollars to donuts there will be a civil suit and the tax payers of Florida will be out a large chunk of change, but outside of that there is likely to be no legal action taken against the police who murdered a man inside his own home. Hell, there probably won't even be meaningful departmental discipline for those involved in the shooting.

7/18/2012 3:27:16 PM

Quote :

"Several reasons. The number one reason being that this is far from an isolated incident and this way of operating, no knock warrants and similar tactics are all too common and frequently result in things like or similar to what happened in this case. "

I would bet dollars to donuts that thousands of "no-knock" warrants are served each day in this country without incident. But I'm not sure if this constitutes a "no-knock" because they usually apply to search warrants only.

7/18/2012 5:37:41 PM

Quote :

"Remember when they said you couldn't bring outside food or drink through security basically forcing you to spend "we have you over a barrel" prices at airport eateries? I was suspicious that this wasn't security theater like most TSA regulations but probably had something to do with kickbacks from certain corporations to TSA and various airport regulators. Turns out I was wrong. http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/07/05/now-tsa-wants-to-test-passengers-beverages-at-the-gate/. Now they want to test the stuff you buy after you go through security too. "

I travel frequently for my job, and this happened to me about two years back. I fly out of a small regional airport with only 4 gates, so there's only one food place past security. There were vending machines, but they took them out, so now the only source of a soda is this single food place (with crazy prices).

One time as I was boarding, a TSA employee pulled me aside and said he needed to test my drink. I told him I had purchased it inside security, and he said it didn't matter, he had to test it anyways since I had been selected by random screening. There was almost none of the drink left anyways, so I said I'd prefer to not have it back after he was done testing it, he could just throw it away. Apparently this set off alarms in his head as he started questioning me about why I wanted him to throw it away; I had to explain that I wasn't interested in my drink again after he'd had his hands (they were gloved, but still) all over the mouth of the drink and also had a chemical testing strip into the mouth of it (despite not actually touching the fluid, I still wasn't overly fond of the testing strip being around the mouth of the drink). It ended up fine, partially because the TSA employees at my small airport tend to be pretty decent folks, but it was still a really weird incident.

I've talked to numerous other business travelers and none of them have ever had anything like that done. Anyone on here ever run into that?

7/18/2012 6:07:06 PM

^ I've never had a drink examined at the gate. However, one time I had a layover at DFW, and the TSA set up an ID/ticket check and "random" bag search checkpoint at the gate, while the flight was already late boarding. It was all I could do to silently wait and grimace while some overweight TSA guy rifled through my bags.

7/18/2012 10:16:42 PM

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"I would bet dollars to donuts that thousands of "no-knock" warrants are served each day in this country without incident."

I hope we aren't serving thousands of no knock warrants per day.

7/19/2012 9:30:01 AM

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"I would bet dollars to donuts that thousands of "no-knock" warrants are served each day in this country without incident."

The number served doesn't make them any more right.

7/19/2012 11:06:51 AM