It was Halloween. Fans had other priorities. This game occurs a week later and the stands would at least wait until the 4th quarter for the mass exodus

11/2/2015 12:23:22 PM

Love how people always include the year one record with the complete crap that TOB left behind. That was totally Doeren's fault

11/2/2015 12:35:24 PM

was just listening to David Glenn and he said he was at the game and the fans in the parking lot and the stadium were "oustanding" (i think that's the term he used)

11/2/2015 12:49:44 PM

^^yes, DD deserves some slack for taking over that shitty team.

but it doesn't change the fact that as NC State's coach, he is 4-16 in the ACC. i actually kinda like DD...i'd consider myself a DD supporter. but his record is his record.

11/2/2015 12:51:11 PM

the same red flags that were there during his first year are still there in his third, regardless of talent-level

11/2/2015 1:07:32 PM

Tob must've left the worst team in school history behind since it was our first winless conference season in school history rolly eyes x8

11/2/2015 1:21:59 PM

more like toughest division in school history

11/2/2015 1:26:42 PM

He lost to Wake Forest. That entire first year is all on him.

11/2/2015 1:30:32 PM

(every coach we've had in the last couple decades has lost to WF)

11/2/2015 1:36:19 PM

You seem to think most coaching takes place during the game. games are won and lost 3 and 4 years prior to being played. most of a head coaches job is behind the scenes. recruiting, training and developing players over the 4 years they are with you. building teams of players with skills that fit together. building a culture. none of this happens instantly.

11/2/2015 2:00:35 PM

hahaha

11/2/2015 2:02:28 PM

same reason why Michigan has been struggling in Harbaugh's 1st year

these things take time

11/2/2015 2:20:59 PM

Earl pulling out some next level shit here

11/2/2015 2:21:39 PM

^^Just because Michigan's program started at a higher level than ours, doesn't mean that statement isn't true. Right now, their junior and senior class are the #4 and #6 rated classes from their respective years and harbough, is only getting slightly better results than us with classes in the 50s.

Hell, if you look at our 2011 guys, ranked in the 70s, guys like rose, hill, hakim jones. Those are our "star" players and they were mostly 2 star recruits. Subjectively speaking, we are outperforming teams with more experienced talent and Michigan is underperforming with respect to their upperclassman talent level.

[Edited on November 2, 2015 at 2:52 PM. Reason : clemson's 11,12,13 classes rank 10,15,15. subectively speaking, we shouldn't have been in the game]

11/2/2015 2:46:05 PM

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"we are outperforming teams with more experienced talent "

11/2/2015 2:53:56 PM

i thought the Clemson game was a pretty good game.

11/2/2015 3:04:18 PM

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"(every coach we've had in the last couple decades has lost to WF managed to win at least one conference game every year)"

FTFY

11/2/2015 3:35:23 PM

so you're telling me you wouldn't be criticizing him if we went 5-7 instead of 3-9 in the first year? In hindsight, what difference does that make knowing that we turned the corner in year 2?

11/2/2015 3:43:43 PM

I'm through with this fucktward, he's a whiny phony coach whose always making excuses. The table was set with him with the Louisville game, perfect environment, 4-0 start albeit shitty competition, and haven't lost since the previous year. That was a clusterfuck of coaching, you can blame the weather, bad fumble luck, but still shitty coaching when you punt in your own opponents territory. Having a kicker this bad is laughable, I never seen a kicker as bad even in the worst conferences I mean you can't make this stuff up. Losing to a shitty VT team that Even ECU beat is pathetic. Every game that we have a lead against a good opponent that lead magically evaporates because hs sucks. He will win some decent games probably against UNC because he hates them as much as the most spirited State fan, but he's not the guy to raise the bar for this team. He only beats the shittiest teams in the ACC, and when he plays the top ones they occasionally blow us out or hang 40-50+ points on us. Rinse and repet, I've seen this shit too many times while UNC will play for a conference championship, LOL.

11/2/2015 3:46:19 PM

well, you only have a few more weeks to deal with him, then he is off for Memphis according to the experts...


Possible candidates:

Norm Chow - Ex HC at Hawaii, former State OC
Ryan Gasser - TE and Special Teams coach at Toledo
Marcus Woodson - DB coach at Fresno State
Butch Davis - former HC at Miami and UNC. Might be snatched up my Miami again
Hal Mumme - former HC at Kentucky, NMSU, Valdosta State

It's a toss up between Chow and Mumme for me, Mumme would bring the Air Raid to the Carter-Finley.

11/2/2015 4:03:30 PM

shut up fattie

11/2/2015 4:06:21 PM

The Twittersphere is saying Butch Jones might want to step up to a big boy football league, so that's a possibility. Once Clemson wins the ACC's 2nd title in the last 3 years, all the haters will have to respect the powerhouse that is the ACC.

ACC! ACC! ACC!

11/2/2015 4:17:20 PM

Jibbles like Norm Chow because his last name is Chow and Jiggles likes eating. Get it?

11/2/2015 4:23:54 PM

guys, I am keeping this objective, we are all adults here. You should be excited by the candidates, I know I am. Someone mentioned it a few pages back about the lack of ST effort, getting a coach with ST coaching exp would be huge

[Edited on November 2, 2015 at 5:15 PM. Reason : x]

11/2/2015 5:14:27 PM

It's nice when someone posts the same troll bait 15 times and can't get engagement

It's a new day in sports talk

11/2/2015 5:22:59 PM

thank you ^

I would like that post if I could

11/2/2015 6:06:57 PM

How about Dan Quinn? Neither he nor Doeren can win a division game, so it'd be a good transition.

11/2/2015 6:10:43 PM

I havent heard his name come up from any of the experts

11/2/2015 6:24:42 PM

I want Doeren gone so badly that I hope UNC beats us by three touchdowns just to get him out of here. He's one of the worst football coaches I ever seen and this football program is a joke. Lets see year 1, won 0 ACC games and blames it on not having his right QB. Remember the THIS IS OUR STATE slogan, and remember going 0-4 against ALL IN STATE teams. Year 2, beats Only the shittest ACC teams and wins a bowl game against South Flordia. Year three is still pending but we play 4 shitty non-conference teams and wins (he gets credit), and continues the trends of beating only the shittest teams in the ACC. Nothing to see here folks, three years and a crappy ACC record is pretty telling of how good a coach is. I'm not asking him to win the ACC, but at least beat teams like Louisville & VT. Jacoby will be yet another NCSU QB in the pros he's good he just have the leisure of playing for DD. We invest millions into state of the art facilities but still can't pay enough money to hire a big time football coach?

[Edited on November 2, 2015 at 8:02 PM. Reason : ..]

11/2/2015 7:59:43 PM

yrey is clearly a plant

11/2/2015 8:27:18 PM

Pretty sure he beat Central Florida in Year 2, not "South Flordia".

11/2/2015 8:38:03 PM

Get over it- Doeren is here at least through Jalen McClendon's 2nd year as starter.

11/2/2015 8:38:11 PM

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"Pretty sure he beat Central Florida in Year 2, not "South Flordia"."

well he said bowl so you're right but we did beat USF last year too

11/2/2015 8:51:07 PM

lolololol at all the Dave hate. People acting like we're not a better football at this point than we were last year.

Unless he leaves on his own, he'll be here next year at the very least, and likely the year after that.

11/3/2015 9:13:24 AM

Careful out there on that limb.

11/3/2015 10:47:15 AM

its a pretty sturdy limb, not that worried

11/3/2015 10:49:14 AM

Jibbles' mom should of swallowed him

11/3/2015 1:06:47 PM

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"Unless he leaves on his own"

be careful my friend, it could very well happen, soon

11/3/2015 10:29:08 PM

I wouldnt be surprised if he got a call from minnesota. Knows the region, from Kill's coaching tree. Think people are complaining now, wait until we're looking at skip holtz on the sidelines

11/3/2015 10:49:00 PM

^ heard that too...you cant blame him for taking a step up, but I agree, knock on wood in a glass house and you may not get what you want or need

11/3/2015 10:54:01 PM

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"He lost to Wake Forest. That entire first year is all on him."

That's the dumbest argument I've read in a long time. There's plenty of legit ways to talk shit about his first year, but that is not one of them.

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"he's a whiny phony coach whose always making excuses"

Sorry, I can't get past your whose to ask what excuses he makes. Maybe next time.

11/3/2015 11:08:12 PM

jaybee must be mad that nobody is biting on his trollbait. he can't fathom having something in front of him and not biting into it.

11/4/2015 12:04:07 AM

Yeah it's one of those "if a drunk fat guy falls in the forest..." scenarios.

11/4/2015 12:08:55 AM

? I dont think speculation about the new head coach at NC State is trolling


Sandman at least can have a rational discussion. I am thinking Gasser with Chow as the OC may be the best option. He worked miracles when he was at State before with Rivers: "Under Chow's tutelage, quarterback Philip Rivers broke seven school passing records and was named ACC Freshman of the Year"

11/4/2015 2:04:06 PM

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"jaybee must be mad that nobody is biting on his trollbait. he can't fathom having something in front of him and not biting into it"

I chuckled

11/4/2015 2:23:41 PM

When I posted essentially the same thing earlier on this page, he acted like I was talking about people making fun of him

11/4/2015 3:13:02 PM

exactly, proud of you for maturing rwoody. Now, let's stay on topic. If Chow can work a miracle with P. Riv then he can definitely do something with our QB next week given the current college football environment and prevailing trends.

11/4/2015 3:36:01 PM

11/4/2015 3:42:09 PM

As long as he keeps beating 100% of the teams with less talent while improving our talent , he has ultimate credibility. I can never remember a time in NC State athletics where we consistently took care of business all games against weaker opponents. Until now.

11/7/2015 2:29:20 PM

let's not start sucking each others' dicks yet

11/7/2015 2:31:48 PM