How quickly could I get a concealed carry permit? Is there some sort of waiting period after you take the class? I found a handgun I want to purchase, but I do not have another valid pistol permit. I can get the guy to hold it for me, but I'd rather just get the concealed carry permit than to apply for another one from the sheriffs office.

11/16/2009 12:03:16 PM

Probably something like 3 months.

11/16/2009 12:12:52 PM

I went in to the WCPS office 2 weeks ago today. Still no phone call back yet They said it would be about 10-15 days, but can take up to 90...

11/16/2009 12:13:44 PM

Your best bet will be to shell out for the pistol permit.

11/16/2009 1:13:27 PM

When I renewed my CCP they said the closer to the holidays, the longer it gets. Up to 6 months...so get it in sooner than later.

11/16/2009 1:24:36 PM

^legally cannot take that long.

the only waiting period for CHPs is from application to issue, which may/can take up to 90 days. some counties do it in 2 weeks, others as they get to them, others make sure it takes 90 days. cough up the $5 for a purchase permit

11/16/2009 1:27:14 PM

Thanks guys. I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. Would be awesome if I could go get a concealed carry permit this weekend and pick up the new piece on Monday, but it sounds like that isn't an option. I still want to get it though. Anyone on TWW still teaching the class?

11/16/2009 2:34:42 PM

Unfortunately, at the very least it usually takes a couple weeks. Go ahead and put in for it, and apply for a purchase permit while you're in there.

11/16/2009 7:11:29 PM

Yeah, I actually thought I had one, but it turns out that it was expired. Pulled it out of the file cabinet and found out that they're good for 5 years. It's cool. I can give him a deposit in good faith and get him to hold it for a few weeks for me. I'll go ahead and get three permits this time.

[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 11:03 PM. Reason : l]

11/16/2009 11:02:15 PM

On Wednesday, Students for Concealed Carry on Campus will have a range day at PDHSC at 6:00pm.

At 7:15 we will be having dinner at one of two places:
With NO rain: Cook Out on Western
With rain: McDonalds on Western

The location was picked due to closeness to campus and ability to carry.

11/16/2009 11:55:40 PM

Quote :

"Updating AR-15's Image The National Shooting Sports Foundation is trying to rebuild the image of the AR-15 rifle and you can help. The NSSF has coined the term Modern Sporting Rifle to more accurately describe the AR-15 platform and is asking that shooters do the same. The NSSF asks you to be an informed gun owner and to use the following facts to correct misconceptions about these rifles. If AR-15-style modern sporting rifles are banned, your favorite traditional-looking hunting or target shooting semi-automatic firearm could be banned, too. ´ AR-15-platform rifles are among the most popular firearms being sold. They are today's modern sporting rifle. ´ The AR in "AR-15" rifle stands for Armalite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. "AR" does NOT stand for "assault rifle" or "automatic rifle." ´ AR-15-style rifles are NOT "assault weapons" or "assault rifles." An assault rifle is fully automatic -- a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934. ´ AR-15-style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger. ´ Versions of modern sporting rifles are legal to own in all 50 states, provided the purchaser passes the mandatory FBI background check required for all retail firearm purchasers. ´ Since the 19th century, civilian sporting rifles have evolved from their military predecessors. The modern sporting rifle simply follows that tradition. ´ AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag. ´ And, they are a lot of fun to shoot!"

didn't know about the "armalite rifle" being the origin of AR

I wonder if the press will ever call an AR a modern sporting rifle- doesn't seem scary enough for their tastes

11/17/2009 10:15:52 AM

An AR will always be an "assault rifle" to the sheeple. There's no changing that.

11/17/2009 11:58:33 AM

it is quite unfortunate... I hate how people are told things when they are younger and rarely ever try to actually educate themselves about the subject

its like how people are told at a young age that sex is morally wrong, and in America, we are more scared of it than we are of violence

or why pot is looked at as a horrible horrible thing, when in actuality alcohol is much more dangerous


and if you stand against the normal social standpoint, you obviously are a nut who has issues that need to be dealt with


I'm not saying that I think everyone should carry guns everywhere, or that everyone should break out into orgy 2 times a day, or that we should all go out and get high every night when we get home from school or work- I just think it is harmful for society to put blanket stereotypes on things when lots of research show otherwise


as for now, I will obey the laws of society, but I do disagree about how things are looked at and depicted in general

11/17/2009 1:00:41 PM

so after my research and your suggestions I have narrowed my 357 search down to a taurus tracker or gp100. Any final thoughts on these? I like the 7 shots on the taurus and the perceived indestructibility of the gp as one of the main selling points on each. I plan on attending the Dixie Gun and Knife Show this weekend and might pick one up this weekend. Would it be suggested I try both out before purchasing either? This will be the first hand gun I have ever purchased. Any final thoughts would be appreciated.

11/17/2009 5:51:09 PM

Tracker pros:
-A lot of people like the grips on the Tracker more than the GP. Current production GPs have Hogue grips rather than the old style Ruger grips with wood inserts. I actually like the old ones, but the Hogues are probably cheaper.
-Should be cheaper than the GP.
-Looks cool
-The sights IMO are a little nicer than the Rugers, but not enough to make a difference in the decision.
-7 shot
-Lighter than the GP

Tracker cons:
-It won't hold up to as many full power loads as the GP...but lets face it, most people will never shoot enough for that to matter.
-Fit and finish isn't as nice
-Porting...that's really a personal preference, but a minor con for me.
-Taurus warranty work will take a longer turn around time

GP pros:
-Built like a tank. You'll shoot a Taurus loose before a Ruger.
I've read that GP-100s can't actually take as high a pressure (proof loads, junk thats way over pressure) as a S&W 868, but it can take a lot more normal full power loads.
-Better fit and finish.
-Supposedly better customer service from Ruger.
-Extra weight could make shooting easier by lowering the recoil.

GP cons:
-Doesn't look as cool
-Costs more

I had a Tracker in 22LR and it was ok. trigger was heavy and long, but that was because rimfires need extra powered springs to light off the rounds. The centerfire triggers are great...well great for what it is.

I currently have a GP-100 and if I had to do it again I would still pick the GP. Can't really say I have any complaints.

I think the price difference is in the $80-100 range. IMO that price difference is a good representation of the difference in quality between the two.
Either will work and either would be a good deal at their price.
You don't necessarily have to shoot the guns, just fondling them will give you a good idea of which you like more.

11/17/2009 6:35:47 PM

I'm looking for a Holster that will fit a 1911 double stack with a tac light. Most I have come across are for single stacks, anyone got any ideas?

11/18/2009 10:58:14 AM

Quote :

"I have narrowed my 357 search down to a taurus tracker or gp100."

The S&W 686/586 is worth considering as well, if you haven't already discounted it. The new ones all have those infernal locks though.

11/18/2009 12:09:22 PM

why is the internal infernal lock such a bad thing? I just got a 642, and it has it... but I don't see myself ever using it. If for some reason I wanted to "inactivate" the pistol, I will just release the cylinder and use a standard pistol lock through one of the chambers (I can see how it would be frustrating/dangerous to think a gun is in working order and it not really be or vice versa)

11/18/2009 12:25:58 PM

because they're known to fail with no warning whatsoever and render the gun completely inoperable.

11/18/2009 6:56:14 PM

i see- i hadn't read anything about that...

11/18/2009 7:06:48 PM

The issue with the S&W locks is the spring that holds the locking bar down. Under recoil, some of the locks will pop up and engage temporarily locking the gun.
The fix for those guns is to either remove the locking bar or grind the locking lug off of the bar.

Taurus' hammer locks have also had similar problems. Under recoil some of them will unscrew and lock the gun up.
The fix is to put locktite on the locking screw.

I've owned both makes of revolvers and have not had any problems with either lock.

11/19/2009 10:17:42 AM

does anyone own a Springfield XD??

Thoughts?

11/19/2009 10:29:24 AM

I'm a 1911 guy for life but I love my XD. Great accuracy out of the box, it out-glocks the Glock and I've never had any issues with it, but I've only put 300 rounds through mine.

If you like the look of the gun, I don't think you'll be at all disappointed with the XD. Mine's the 5" Tactical, so if you're looking for a CCW I can't help you, but I do recommend it to all entry level shooters.

11/19/2009 12:27:53 PM

The first handgun I ever shot was an XD. Had a 4" barrel IIRC. Very nice gun as it felt very comfortable the first time I held it. I will be getting an XD for sure, probably even as my first gun. I haven't gotten around to shooting other pistols yet, however, I've also yet to hear anything negative about the XD.

11/19/2009 2:01:13 PM

I shot an XD45 Full size and it's a nice gun. Fits in smaller and medium hands rather well.

The grip safety is not bad, doesn't get in the way, never know it's there.

Not too heavy. Accessories are plentiful and included.

I might have gotten one instead of the sig, maybe.

Lower bore axis is a BIG plus.

11/19/2009 2:50:23 PM

Quote :

"The issue with the S&W locks is the spring that holds the locking bar down. Under recoil, some of the locks will pop up and engage temporarily locking the gun. The fix for those guns is to either remove the locking bar or grind the locking lug off of the bar."

would you know anyone in the area that could do that for me? I would hate to mess up my pistol and void any warranty, but I really also would hate to have a problem in a situation where I was relying on it



and ^^^^Jeepin4x4 - you should ask big baily- that was his first gun (a XD45 full size) and he loved it. I fired it several times, and for a 45 I liked it (I liked the feel of the glock a little better, and I think ultimately I would prefer an MP, but that is all personal taste). It is a solid gun, especially for the price

11/19/2009 6:57:12 PM

I don't know if gunsmiths will do that for you due to liability reasons.
It could be seen as removing a safety feature. IMO it's not removing a safety feature, it's really just the same as not using the supplied lock from other guns.

Anyway, it's real easy to do:
-unload gun

-take off grips

-use the appropriate size screwdriver to take out the screws holding the side plate on. be careful not to scratch the finish next to the screws. walmart has a good set of gunsmith's screwdrivers for cheap.

-being very careful, stick your finger into the grip frame and try to pull the side plate up. DO NOT PRY IT. If you bend that plate you'll be screwed. Do not use a screwdriver to pry it. If it won't come out then put the gun on your knee and tap the side plate near the grip frame lightly with a rubber mallet then try lifting it again. It may take some finger strength, but stop if you have the slightest hint that you might bend it.

-once inside, take out the firing pin transfer bar

-cock the gun, stick the end of a paperclip in the hole that's on the hammer strut.

-decock the gun and remove the hammer strut/mainspring assy

-without moving anything too much (because you'll forget how it goes back in), lift the hammer up and out of the gun

-take off the cylinder latch and lift the internals of the latch out

-the lock should now be exposed. wiggle it and its spring out

-leave the lock out or grind the little bitty lug off the lock if you want and reassemble

This is all from memory and may not be correct. Use this info at your own risk. If you run into problems just ask.
If you're an idiot when it comes to mechanical things then don't try it.

I left the lock in my 637. I've shot a ton of rounds and am confident mine isn't one of the screwed up ones that locks itself.

BTW, it will void your warranty regardless of who (you or gunsmith) did it.
But, if you ever have to send it back to S&W for service work then put the parts back in and make sure you leave the loctite on your screws or add more of the same color.
You got this used right? If so you don't get a warranty anyway.

[Edited on November 20, 2009 at 11:42 AM. Reason : ]

11/20/2009 11:39:41 AM

Just bought this.

11/20/2009 12:09:42 PM

^^will this work on a hammerless gun? I don't really know how to "decock" a DAO pistols

11/20/2009 12:34:57 PM

To decock after you put a pin in the hammer strut you can just pull the trigger.

It should be the same process for the hammerless gun.

11/20/2009 2:07:14 PM

^^^ awesome.



Anyone going to the show this weekend?

11/20/2009 2:34:17 PM

No. But I should, despite the fact that I don't have my permit yet When (assuming you are) are you going D?

11/20/2009 3:15:56 PM

I'm 80% going on sunday at 11am.

11/20/2009 3:36:24 PM

yeah, if i went, it would be on sunday

11/21/2009 9:20:36 AM

Just got back from the show - reloading prices are down, a lot. Primers everywhere for 35/K CCI/Win, any size you want. Powder was <$20/lb many places.

Ammo was plentiful and more affordable in months past, things are beginning to normalize again in that sector, though GA's ammo cans went up $10 I heard.

Good selection, good prices, and if you're in the market for an AR or AK, there's a relatively new NC-based mfg. I saw there, Timberwolf Tactical. I didn't inspect them really closely, but all of their rifles were well put together and had a good quality finish. I was very impressed with their $475-ish G-Kit AK47's, which had the best looking finish I have seen on any AK, for any money.

Overall, I was pleased with what was there, and it certainly wasn't a waste. I bought a jug of IMR Trailboss, a thousand CCI Large Rifle Primers, a Lee Auto-Prime and shellholders, and my girlfriend got a Magpul handguard for her AR.

It was definitely a refreshingly "normal" gun show to attend.

11/21/2009 1:03:25 PM

That's really good to hear.

11/21/2009 2:29:45 PM

hmm, maybe I do need to go tomorrow after all. Anybody there got 9mm in stock at a reasonable markup? or 22 bulk packs?

11/21/2009 5:30:41 PM

Walmart in garner had some 22 at the beginning of the week


and lawmen's has 9 for 11-13 a box right now (I know it's not 9-10 like you see at wally world, but it is nice that they have it)- they have 2 box limits right now though. I went on wednesday and they would only let me buy 2 boxes of 38 and 2 boxes of 9mm

11/21/2009 6:04:26 PM

for your entertainment:

11/21/2009 6:25:13 PM

wow, that's awesome.

At least he's objective.

11/22/2009 12:06:40 AM

11/22/2009 6:13:53 PM

that does bring up an interesting point - if you had to choose one over the other, are y'all 1911 people or composite "glock" style pistol type of people


I personally don't have much experience with 1911s (never owned one) but I do like how they fire. But for carry and keeping around, I'd rather have something that can hold 18+1 and not have a stupid long magazine extender. tough call, but until I own one, i think i will have to go with my polymer frame pistol

11/23/2009 8:56:51 AM

I've owned both a 1911 and polymer guns. I love the 1911 for its ergonomics, classic looks, and general shoot-ability. That being said, I could buy one Glock 17, a couple of spare mags, and plenty of ammo for the price of just one Wilson Combat CQB. Glock (or any other suitably reliable polymer gun) wins this one hands down.

11/23/2009 9:12:21 AM

The 18+1 argument is kinda weak. I have a para double stack in .45 ACP. Carries 16+1, and is a nasty bitch.

However I try to reflect my choices on Tier 1 SOCOM shooters, some of the best in the world; word on the street is you are seeing as many Glocks there as you do 1911s these days. My world has been turned upside down!

So if you like Glocks, buy a Glock, if you like 1911s buy one, I don't think there's a fault in either choice.

11/23/2009 12:51:26 PM

well, the majority of 1911's out there hold between 6-9 normally (because the majority are single stack), whereas the majority of the polymer guns are double stacked and hold b/w 13-18... but there will always be exceptions


and as for this just being a matter of preference, that is exactly what i was asking- some people are chevy guys, some people are ford guys. I was just curious what some of the regular posters on here preferred

11/23/2009 1:41:48 PM

^^ price is still the issue there, as is the added weight (especially if you're planning on carrying concealed) and the unnecessary and redundant safeties. Well, they're arguably necessary on a SA pistol designed to be carried with the hammer back, but they're not necessary for a functioning pistol.

Quote :

"if you like Glocks, buy a Glock, if you like 1911s buy one, I don't think there's a fault in either choice."

True. Buy what you'll carry, its better than not carrying what you bought.

11/23/2009 6:04:39 PM

Well I snapped off a grip screw bushing on one of my 1911s today trying to change the grips....so currently I'm not a 1911 guy. Finicky bastard.

11/23/2009 8:07:20 PM

I miss mine, but I simply don't have the money to buy another one or to feed it .45 ACP. Sooner or later I'll get one but I doubt I'd ever carry it unless I knew I was doomed and wanted to go out in style

11/23/2009 8:12:51 PM

I like my springfield 1911 more than my Glock 30, but I'd rather have my Glock in my hand if I ever found myself in a life or death situation. Also, the Glock was half the cost of my 1911.

11/23/2009 8:18:28 PM

That's kinda the way I feel, except for replace "Glock" with "SIG", and the gap between how much I like them is probably closer.

Glock is OK as a moderately priced, tactical pistol...and they fit my hand well. If they were DA/SA, I'd probably be all over them.

11/23/2009 9:20:04 PM