Columbia, Mo. is closer to Fayetteville, Ar. than any other SEC cities are. If Arkansas works, they do too.

Also opens up the KC and St. L markets.

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 10:25 AM. Reason : x]

8/12/2011 10:25:06 AM

The super-conference talk is 90% bullshit and 100% conflated by ESPN to have something to talk about.

8/12/2011 11:01:57 AM

half of what ESPN reports is shit they made up in a backroom

8/12/2011 11:12:00 AM

You guys have it all wrong

FSU to the SEC, BC to who gives a fuck... round-robin basketball schedule!!

8/12/2011 11:39:18 AM

I like it.

8/12/2011 11:41:08 AM

Throw out Miami, too. And Georgia Tech.

ACC Tournament Fridays are back!

8/12/2011 11:43:12 AM

Quote :

" FSU to the SEC, BC to who gives a fuck... round-robin basketball schedule!!"

I'd dig that, but no way the ACC gives up its football Championship Game...too much money at stake.

Any type of realignment that ditches BC is good with me.

8/12/2011 11:49:51 AM

has the ACC CG had a sellout yet

8/12/2011 11:52:44 AM

Working near Greenville and having so many ECU friends on Facebook is damn near unbearable right now. They all think they're coming to the ACC.

8/12/2011 11:53:08 AM

The four NC schools break away to form the Tobacco Road Football Was Fun But Let's Get Back To What We're Good At Conference

8/12/2011 11:54:04 AM

^^^I doubt it...but it's still (I assume...don't have any figures) a solid amount of revenue coming in

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 11:54 AM. Reason : more arrows]

8/12/2011 11:54:36 AM

the ACC championship game, iirc, has been a real revenue disappointment. It's never sold out, and I don't think it's bringing in anywhere near the kind of money it was projected to.

8/12/2011 12:17:44 PM

Any one that seriously thinks ezu is joining the acc should be shot on site.

8/12/2011 12:24:39 PM

all ECU fans should be shot on sight

8/12/2011 12:25:04 PM

ACC expansion has been a bust, and the championship game has contributed very little revenue to schools. I'm actually surprised more people aren't up in arms calling for Swofford's head because of it. Killed the basketball product and our football conference is still a joke. The only way ACC expansion was going to be a good move financially was if the conference had more than 1 team in a BCS game at least once every 4 years. Hasn't happened yet, so we've simply been dividing the same size pie of revenue with 3 extra teams. GG John Swofford!!

I'm 100% for contracting back to 10 teams and having round-robin basketball. No one gives two shits about playing miami and BC in basketball or football, they should gtfo.

8/12/2011 12:56:41 PM

^yes, this is what I meant in my post.

When the expansion talks heated up this summer (Pac-10, MWC, etc), they did a piece on the financial implications on a radio program I like. The gist of it was that these financial predictions for sports league expansion are about as bad as they can be.

Expansion revenue increases are always over projected and the people reporting on them are sports writers, not business people, so they never get questioned about it. I really don't think anyone can say that the ACC expansion has been a good deal financially, right?

8/12/2011 2:00:41 PM

the problem hasn't been the expansion itself, its that the ACC has been fucking horrible since the expansion (and no, not because of the expansion). You get an undefeated FSU vs. an undefeated VT, GT, etc. with both ranked in the top 10 and the Championship game will be nuts.

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 2:15 PM. Reason : d]

8/12/2011 2:14:54 PM

^ Yeah but you gotta realize too while performance hasn't been great the money to the institutions definitely increased with expansion.

Honestly though 12 teams is probably the perfect balance as far as football and basketball are concerned. I'd love the round robin back but at least at 12 you get to play most everybody a decent number of times. Once you get past 12 stuff starts to get unwieldy in both sports so I hope the SEC votes down TAMU and we don't go through another round of expansions.

8/12/2011 2:18:44 PM

^^ i agree with that.

expansion hasn't hurt basketball, NC State has hurt ACC basketball over the last 5 years.

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 2:19 PM. Reason : f]

8/12/2011 2:19:01 PM

I'm not sure how this factors into expansion money talk but the ACC did just sign (maybe it was last year) a huge TV/radio/Media deal. it's worth over a billion dollars. and i think the media deals maybe a bigger piece of the pie than bowls.

but i hate the expansion we only get to play Duke once and basketball and rotate in football. plus fuck BC! and Miami too since their football team sucks now.


http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/08/acc-espn-officially-announce-new-tv-agreement/

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 2:22 PM. Reason : sa]

8/12/2011 2:20:11 PM

Just because the ACC championship game hasn't sold out doesn't mean it isn't still driving revenue.

I'd like to see the numbers that show the conference(financially) is worse off now then before the expansion. Didn't the ACC just sign a pretty decent TV deal? Do you think they get that TV deal without expansion and those extra markets?

I have no idea, I'm asking because it seems to me that from a sports enjoyment/ACC fan point of view, the expansion hasn't really been great especially for basketball but I'm not convinced that financially it hasn't been better off than before the expansion from a strictly numbers point of view.

8/12/2011 2:29:09 PM

^ i absolutely believe the ACC would've gotten a similar deal without expansion. Without a doubt. That deal wasn't driven by a bottom's-up estimate based on # of households, metro areas of schools, etc. It was based on the quality of the content on a national scale, primarily driven by Duke and UNC basketball. The fact that BC and Miami are in the conference now drove little of that, if any. Except now that deal revenue is split among 12 teams instead of 9.

For example, check out the latest SEC TV deal. It's massive compared to the ACC one. And what large TV markets are SEC schools present in, Atlanta and Nashville?

I will admit that NC State has hurt the conference in basketball, but I also believe the loss of rivalries due to expansion has hindered it as well. No one cares about BC-clemson games, or Miami-NC STate. Yet that's what the conference is trying helplessly to sell. Kinda sad, actually.

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2011 2:57:45 PM

i remember one of the criticisms on Swofford was that while he got a nice TV deal, it paled in comparison to the SEC's. as in the SEC's deal blew the ACC's out of the water, and people think he could have/should have done better by the ACC considering the money that a network would be willing to pay.

8/12/2011 3:08:34 PM

^In fairness:

1. no way the ACC is getting the same deal as the SEC
2. The SEC deal was made when the economy was in better shape. I think the ACC deal was actually better than a lot of analysts expected at the time.

8/12/2011 3:21:17 PM

maybe these numbers are wrong but it looks like on a per year basis that the ACC got a better deal.

ACC 1.86 billion for 12 years (155 million a year.)

compared to the SEC

2.25 Billion for 15 years (150 million a year)

they are essentially the same.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2008/08/sec_tv_deal_with_espn_on_footb.html

8/12/2011 3:21:27 PM

^ See http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2010/05/17/daily2.html

Quote :

"That annual figure of $155 million dwarfs the average of $67 million the league was getting from its previous media deals, which expire at the end of the 2010-11 season, but falls well short of the $205 million a year that the SEC gets from its new 15-year deals with CBS and ESPN."

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 3:26 PM. Reason : the article above doesn't factor in the CBS money only the ESPN]

8/12/2011 3:25:28 PM

the Big East's bball deal expires in 2 or 3 years, and is currently "only" worth about $200 million

wouldn't be surprised to see that conference go through some major changes over the next couple years, and possibly be dissolved when their TV deal runs out, or at least get rid of all the football schools

8/12/2011 3:29:03 PM

oh, i agree the ACC isn't going to get the same size deal as SEC, absolutely not. my point was simply that the SEC got a huge deal without having schools in Miami, Boston, and DC - so it's not like really having that exposure is driving some huge value for the ACC. If people in Boston were rabid BC fans, or if all South Floridians all were avid followers of The U, then there would be some value. But that's simply not the case and never will be...

8/12/2011 3:40:19 PM

Quote :

"You guys have it all wrong FSU to the SEC, BC to who gives a fuck... round-robin basketball schedule!!"

I'd say fsu and clemson to the SEC would make the most sense, two years ago I prob would have supported that but I actually have a feeling fsu is going to get good at football again, clemson is just hot air though, plus we'd still have two hopeless bball schools in miami and vtech but i guess that's better than four (although clemson and fsu have actually been making the ncaa some lately, hamilton is a solid coach)

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 4:40 PM. Reason : k]

8/12/2011 4:36:59 PM

RT @ChrisLevel: high ranking #TexasTech official confirms that SEC is in talks with Texas A&M and an ACC school.

8/12/2011 4:51:45 PM

if the Eagles were running this, then we would be surprised at the ACC school that ends up going

but i think we all know it'll be FSU, as much as they've been mentioned

8/12/2011 5:05:20 PM

FSU won't be joining the SEC

I still think its VT

8/12/2011 5:08:24 PM

well if we're stuck at 11 then, adding a school like pitt would to get back to 12 would be great

8/12/2011 5:12:52 PM

is there any way possible to get rid of BC, can't TWW **** **** them into some deworming scandal or something

8/12/2011 5:14:46 PM

What if we just stop inviting BC to games

Like Swofford unveils the basketball schedule and there aren't any games for BC

Then he just shrugs and turns off the lights

8/12/2011 5:17:08 PM

do like robert mcnamara and suggest a blockade of the northeast

eh? history reference...eh?

8/12/2011 5:18:59 PM

^^

+1

8/12/2011 5:34:02 PM

Quote :

"high ranking #TexasTech official confirms that SEC is in talks with Texas A&M and an ACC school."

haha, there must have been a billion of these "official from (school not affiliated with the SEC) says SEC is talkin to folks" tweets/news bits today.

Also, I don't think that FSU is the best school for them to steal from the ACC. Sure, FSU has the football pedigree and the natural rivalry with Florida. But its all about the money and I don't think FSU is going to add that much TV money because UF is already bringing them that market. VT makes more sense for them. Brand new market to sell networks on and they're a perennial (almost ) big time football school with a big fanbase to go along with it.

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 7:03 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2011 7:02:10 PM

Quote :

"@MrCFB Tony Barnhart Florida State prez Eric Barron has given ACC commish John Swofford his personal assurance that there has been no contact with SEC."

8/12/2011 7:07:46 PM

VT is about as disappointing as FSU every year, only FSU seems to always get a top 5 preseason ranking somehow.

i agree in general though that VT would be a better steal. i could see VT thinking their academics were too high for the SEC though.

8/12/2011 7:07:54 PM

i know geography is pliable in situations like this, and i suppose Virginia is considered the Southeast, but i would call it more Mid-Eastern Coast. travel has to be a concern, but then to big time programs that's chump change. i suppose if TCU can be in the Big East, VT could easily be in the SEC.

in the event that it did come to that, the ACC should do anything in its power to keep them. if they leave, we lose the ACC's most consistent national power in football (as far as BCS bowls go).

8/12/2011 7:36:54 PM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/801786-sec-expansion-why-adding-texas-am-would-benefit-the-sec

Hope that worked...

No mention of us in the article that I saw, but check out the picture.

8/12/2011 7:37:53 PM

Quote :

"i suppose Virginia is considered the Southeast, but i would call it more Mid-Eastern Coast."

agreed, and TCU being in the Big East is a joke (geographically)

but its not like Va Tech would bring any crazier travel issues than Kentucky already does

8/12/2011 7:39:17 PM

bc to the sec

mark it down

8/12/2011 7:41:04 PM

Quote :

"VIAGRA PHISH 72"

8/12/2011 7:42:11 PM

Quote :

"MIDDLE EAST COAST"

^^I'd guess that the center of the SEC is Tuscaloosa. Lexington is just as close as everything else(7 hours). Blacksburg is just as far as the furthest, Fayetteville Arkansas.

That puts VT 9 hours away from tuscaloosa which I assume to be the center of SEC country.

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM. Reason : k]

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 8:34 PM. Reason : VT not UVA]

8/12/2011 8:29:11 PM

no one is talking about UVA going to the SEC...it's VT, and Blacksburg is about 2.5 hours south from Charlottesville

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 8:37 PM. Reason : ^...oh you fixed your blunder]

8/12/2011 8:36:53 PM

at the end of the day, who gives a shit about geography for conferences? Its not like its impractical. Conference USA and Pac10 have been traveling forever, why can't everyone else?

8/12/2011 8:39:21 PM

in conclusion, the best school for us to dump would be clemson

8/12/2011 9:37:57 PM

^^ no one gives a shit about those conferences. For a guy that supposedly lives and breaths college football you totally dont understand the culture of southern football.

geographic center?



[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 9:53 PM. Reason : x]

8/12/2011 9:49:46 PM