Vice!!1!

https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7vz8d/michigan-matthew-deperno-plan-b-banI

Quote :

"When he was asked about the state’s abortion laws and whether Plan B can be banned in Michigan, DePerno responded, “What’s Plan B?” After he was informed that it’s the morning-after pill, DePerno said “gotta figure out how to ban the pill from the state,” ... “You have to stop it at the border. It would be no different than fentanyl,” DePerno said. “The state has to ban it, and it should be banned. But it’s just an issue of how do you enforce it. How do you make sure that it stops? That’s your problem.”"

These people.... how, as a grown adult who is obsessed with banning abortion, not know what Plan B is?

9/21/2022 12:01:22 PM

Heads in the sand.

9/21/2022 2:23:10 PM

I don't know what it is, but it should definitely be banned until we can figure out what it is and then ban it.

9/21/2022 8:46:35 PM

You know, I'm not a fan of abortion in general, but this shit in Texas is downright cruel. Forcing a woman who wants a child to carry a more or less dead one to term to the detriment of her ability to have another child? That's fucking barbaric. Nothing about that is "pro-life."

12/9/2023 8:57:26 PM

But they cannot give an inch or otherwise the terrorists have won.

12/10/2023 7:57:37 AM

I wonder how many of them even have an inch to give

12/10/2023 10:05:02 AM

Jesus Christ

12/11/2023 10:23:57 PM

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4355865-kentucky-woman-suing-for-abortion-learned-her-embryo-has-no-cardiac-activity/amp/

it was always about control

fuck these ghouls

hopefully stories like these will radicalize some who were anti-choice

12/12/2023 12:16:00 PM

I wouldn't say I've been radicalized, but it's sure as fuck making me feel a shit ton more sympathy towards the pro-choice side. I'm not sure how much of this is due to the original shitty decision (yes, it was bad) galvanizing the two sides into ever-more extreme positions as opposed to just the current hyper-partisan environment, but it's hard to justify the outright cruelty of these laws at this point. What good is a "medical emergency exception" if you've basically got to wait for the woman to die before it kicks in?

12/13/2023 12:09:27 AM

there is no “extreme position” from the left/pro-choice side

12/13/2023 12:16:44 AM

Yeah, there kind of is. Most European abortion laws are fairly to the right of what we had pre-dobbs, and much to the right of what many on the left here have argued for at times.
Granted, now the Overton Window has been pushed so damned far to the right, that is dragging the left back, out of mere necessity. Yet, at least 5 states allow abortion at any time, for any reason, which is quite extreme compared to anywhere in Europe

[Edited on December 13, 2023 at 12:50 AM. Reason : ]

12/13/2023 12:37:03 AM

My position has always been that it is generally morally wrong, and that it is definitely distinct from other situations of personal choice... there is another entity involved. I get why pro-choice activists say it, but I find the "clump of cells" argument distasteful and disingenuous.

But... As is evident in what we're seeing now, having the state control this matter is in itself too much of a danger. When it extends to the very inner self of a woman, especially when a woman may be in poor conditions, unable to stand up for herself. It makes it easy to cage her down.
I do think that abortion should be legal and accessible up to at least a bit after the first trimester with clear exceptions for afterwards in cases of the mother's health and other complications. The law should be tilted to give the benefit of the doubt.

I have not studied this to any significant depth, but I do wonder if Roe v Wade was in a way a setback. Had the issue not become national and develop such polarization, would individual states have eventually developed common sense laws on their own over time? I don't know, but I do wonder.

But regardless, with the politicization of the issue, what I really do feel is pity for the woman and the child. I also would like to mention how men need to be more responsible. Often, be it by threatening to leave if they do or don't abort, whatever it may be, the innocent woman is ensnared. Society, family, her own body - no one spares her.

[Edited on December 13, 2023 at 8:03 AM. Reason : =]

12/13/2023 7:55:34 AM

Quote :

"Yet, at least 5 states allow abortion at any time, for any reason, which is quite extreme compared to anywhere in Europe"

that still isn’t extreme, and nobody mentioned anything about Europe.

12/13/2023 10:50:13 AM

^



It is a comparatively extreme position. But if you're trying to make some ideological implication like "the idea that a woman should not be able to have control over her body cannot be extreme" - that's a different story.

Please do elaborate.

12/13/2023 12:49:58 PM

If killing a fully viable child 2 days before birth for any reason or no reason isn't an extreme position, I don't know what is. I only reference Europe because they are generally considered to be too the left of the US on most social issues; it's a reasonable barometer in that regard. The fact that their laws are almost all 12-14 weeks suggests that the US was quite to the left of that, especially in areas that allowed full term abortions.

[Edited on December 13, 2023 at 8:32 PM. Reason : ]

12/13/2023 8:30:48 PM

Quote :

" If killing a fully viable child 2 days before birth for any reason or no reason isn't an extreme position, I don't know what is"

cite your source

12/13/2023 9:21:35 PM

You can't cite a source on an opinion. But I agree (with the opinion).

12/14/2023 1:36:25 AM

The chart I sent above says only 13% of Americans support it.
I think that is evidence enough.
37% of Americans described their political views as moderate, 36% as conservative and 25% as liberal.
So if not even all the self identified liberals are on ya with this, not to mention, not even 1/5 of women, you can that it's extreme.

That's why I asked him if he's trying to say something like "the idea that a woman should not be able to have control over her body cannot be extreme", to clarify, because that would give some sense to his statement.
But to no avail, as a reply was not awarded.

12/14/2023 9:49:19 AM

^^

asking for evidence of abortions 2 days before birth

12/14/2023 10:07:14 AM

What do you guys think of abortion due to disabilities (non-lethal insane super super rare stuff), sex selection? Especially as prenatal testing for things like even autism start to become more common?

And, not abortion, but a somewhat related thing... Sex-selective IVF? It's legal in America.

12/14/2023 10:25:46 AM

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/university-alabama-pauses-ivf-services-court-rules-embryos-are-childre-rcna139846

fucking infuriating

2/21/2024 6:35:56 PM

Not sure how I feel about IVF (not legally, like in general, I'm not speaking to this issue)

what do you guys think about surrogacy

2/21/2024 8:35:09 PM

11/4/2024 1:13:27 PM

I find it sad that women have been so gaslit by the left that they feel the need to go out and do this:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/12/health/morning-after-pill-plan-b-sales-trump/index.html

Contraception isn’t going anywhere folks.

11/12/2024 8:53:33 AM

Same as it ever was: how the news is created and driven by marketers, and that no one does anything to stop it.

Quote :

"It's why I found myself at 2:00 A.M. one morning, at a deserted intersection in Los Angeles, dressed in all black. In my hand I had tape and some obscene stickers made at Kinko's earlier in the afternoon. What was I doing here? I was there to deface billboards, specifically billboards I had designed and paid for. Not that I'd expected to do anything like this, but there I was, doing it. My then-girlfriend and future wife, coaxed into being my accomplice, was behind the wheel of the getaway car. After I finished, we circled the block and I took photos of my work from the passenger window as if I had spotted it from the road. Across the billboards was now a two-foot-long sticker that implied that the movie's creator-my client Tucker Max-deserved to have his dick caught in a trap with sharp metal hooks. Or something like that. As soon as I got home I dashed off two e-mails to two major blogs. Under the fake name Evan Meyer I wrote, "I saw these on my way home last night. It was on 3rd and Crescent Heights, I think. Good to know Los Angeles hates Tucker Max too," and attached the photos. One blog wrote back: "You're not messing with me, are you?" No, I said. Trust me, I'm not lying ... The vandalized billboards and the coverage that my photos received were just a small part of the deliberately provocative campaign I did for the movie I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell. Tucker, the client, had asked me to create some controversy around the movie, which was based on his bestselling book, and I did-somewhat effortlessly, it turns out. It is one of many campaigns I have done in my career, and by no means an unusual one. But it illustrates a part of the media system that is hidden from your view: how the news is created and driven by marketers, and that no one does anything to stop it. In under two weeks, and with no budget, thousands of college students protested the movie on their campuses nationwide, angry citizens vandalized our billboards in multiple neighborhoods, FoxNews.com ran a front-page story about the backlash, Page Six of the New York Post made their first of many mentions of Tucker, and the Chicago Transit Authority banned and stripped the movie's advertisements from their buses. To cap it all off, two different editorials railing against the film ran in the Washington Post and Chicago Tribune the week it was released. The outrage about Tucker was great enough that a few years later it was written into the television show Portlandia."

11/12/2024 9:18:54 AM

Quote :

" I find it sad that women have been so gaslit by the left that they feel the need to go out and do this: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/12/health/morning-after-pill-plan-b-sales-trump/index.html Contraception isn’t going anywhere folks."

you’re doing the thing that the right loves to do by co-opting a term that the left uses

women have already lost body autonomy with the fall of Roe v. Wade, and a federal judge has recently attempted to ban Mifepristone

there is zero reason to believe that a fully empowered Right won’t continue to attack women’s healthcare

11/12/2024 9:50:02 AM

Bro. Women in Texas are literally dying after going to 3 ERs in 24 hours with sepsis because routine procedures for miscarriages are essentially banned as doctors are terrified to even look at a uterus. Women are right to be scared.

Yes, TWW libruls, you read that username right

[Edited on November 12, 2024 at 10:36 AM. Reason : ]

11/12/2024 10:30:58 AM

stop gaslighting us, plz

11/12/2024 10:38:39 AM

Quote :

"Bro. Women in Texas are literally dying after going to 3 ERs in 24 hours with sepsis because routine procedures for miscarriages are essentially banned as doctors are terrified to even look at a uterus. Women are right to be scared."

Texas and Alabama have laws that are too restrictive on abortion, but the 3 ERs in 24 hour case seems pretty clear case of malpractice and the responsibility of her providers.

Texas Law covering allowances for risk to life:

Quote :

"(2) in the exercise of reasonable medical judgment, the pregnant female on whom the abortion is performed, induced, or attempted has a life-threatening physical condition aggravated by, caused by, or arising from a pregnancy that places the female at risk of death or poses a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function unless the abortion is performed or induced; and"

Summary of first visits to the ER in the Barnica case. Note the 2nd of her visits is diagnosed as sepsis:

Quote :

"The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave."

Sepsis is considered life threatening and should have triggered allowances.

Somewhere between doing intake forms and becoming an ER doctor you have to bear some of the responsibility of the calls made even in the presence of scary laws which could jeopardize your Porsche Cayenne and Aspen vacations.

11/12/2024 12:02:28 PM

have any of the hospitals commented on this

11/12/2024 12:33:00 PM

You can talk yourself into an arrest/PR nightmare but you can't talk yourself out of one. The statement from the hospital from the above case:

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"The doctors involved in Barnica’s care at HCA Houston Healthcare Northwest did not respond to multiple requests for comment on her case. In a statement, HCA Healthcare said “our responsibility is to be in compliance with applicable state and federal laws and regulations” and said that physicians exercise their independent judgment. The company did not respond to a detailed list of questions about Barnica’s care."

[Edited on November 12, 2024 at 12:47 PM. Reason : a]

11/12/2024 12:46:23 PM