57 years of cheating

11/7/2014 6:36:37 PM

1957, first NCAA recognized National Title by UNC

11/7/2014 7:48:04 PM

McAdoo is suing the school in a class action suit.

break out the popcorn

11/7/2014 11:37:34 PM

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"McAdoo told CNN he had expressed interest in studying criminal justice, but was told on his first day of scheduling that he had to pick from three majors that fit his football schedule -- Exercise and Sport Science, Communications, and African-American Studies, where the paper class scandal existed. McAdoo said his pre-determined schedule included some of the paper classes."

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"McAdoo's lawsuit could potentially uncover even more than the damning Wainstein investigation, which was by far the most thorough and provided a slew of information that had previously been discounted by UNC. The difference is in the power of subpoena. McAdoo's lawyers will be able to depose people who declined to talk to Wainstein -- potentially key participants whom Wainstein called out for refusing to cooperate, like the former director of football Cynthia Reynolds and the former interim head football coach Everett Withers."

11/7/2014 11:42:51 PM

That first quote, just wow.

11/8/2014 12:14:20 AM

Hopefully he's not using the same lawyers as last time though. The ones who didn't even check to see that his bullshit paper was plagiarized from many sources.

11/8/2014 12:44:55 AM

I believe that paper was one of the sham class "recycled" papers though.

One they gave to paper class students on the regular.

11/8/2014 1:16:32 AM

More criticism in the Charlotte Post this morning about why the sole focus on AFAM despite athletes majoring in other departments.

http://www.thecharlottepost.com/news/2014/11/08/opinion/afam-studies-isn-t-only-scapegoat/

11/8/2014 9:34:31 AM

I'm sure McAdoo can also be called out for just wanting attention and being crazy

11/8/2014 9:48:11 AM

^^

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"Asa Kelly is a senior at UNC-Chapel Hill."

i'm really torn. on one hand i love burning down unc... but on the other hand, i don't care about undergrads talking about social issues.

11/8/2014 11:31:08 AM

new dan kane. http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/11/08/4305374_2005-unc-basketball-champs-2-semesters.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1

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"In the 18 years of paper classes, men’s basketball players accounted for 363 enrollments, an average of 20 enrollments per year. The football team accounted for 1,377 enrollments during that period, but the football team has roughly nine times the number of athletes. "

consolidates a lot of information.

[Edited on November 8, 2014 at 8:01 PM. Reason : ]

11/8/2014 8:01:15 PM

Quote :

"McAdoo told CNN he had expressed interest in studying criminal justice, but was told on his first day of scheduling that he had to pick from three majors that fit his football schedule -- Exercise and Sport Science, Communications, and African-American Studies, where the paper class scandal existed. McAdoo said his pre-determined schedule included some of the paper classes."

Probably the three departments that had programs in place to keep athletes eligible.

11/8/2014 8:09:25 PM

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""@mtdukes: Notice posted in the NC State tailgate lots demanding a more complete UNC-CH investigation. http://t.co/cM99dGtXp3 ""

[Edited on November 8, 2014 at 8:10 PM. Reason : A]

11/8/2014 8:09:37 PM

Yep this link posted above

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/11/08/4305374_2005-unc-basketball-champs-2-semesters.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1

Is by far the best place to read about the summary of what is going on involving the basketball team if you don't want to sort through this thread.

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"During the season that the UNC men’s basketball team made its run to the 2005 NCAA championship, its players accounted for 35 enrollments in classes that didn’t meet and yielded easy, high grades awarded by the architect of the university’s academic scandal."

Also about what I said regarding McCants:

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"One of the basketball players, Rashad McCants, had previously told ESPN he took nothing but paper classes in the spring 2005 semester. His transcript showed he was in three independent studies plus one lecture class that had no instruction. He received straight A-minuses, making the DEAN'S LIST."

I want them to say this in a Grand Jury environment. I love how everyone is constantly trying to shield Roy no matter what.

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"The Wainstein documents also reveal a friendly relationship between Crowder and Wayne Walden, coach Roy Williams’ hand-picked academic counselor for the basketball team. They show the two working together to get players into the classes and Walden providing tickets and other team freebies to Crowder. Walden told investigators he was aware that Crowder was grading the papers, but he said he can’t recall telling Williams."

Well I can't recall a lot of things when am first asked, but give me some time and I will remember most of the time if it is important...

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"In the 18 years of paper classes, men’s basketball players accounted for 363 enrollments, an average of 20 enrollments per year."

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"the 2005 team alone had 10 of 15 players with that major"

[Edited on November 8, 2014 at 8:56 PM. Reason : Ruh-Oh!!!]

11/8/2014 8:28:30 PM

since the day the report came out, i've repeatedly said that basketball players took far more fake classes per scholarship than football...one the order of 53% more. glad dan kane is putting that in print

11/8/2014 9:56:25 PM

I really hope they drop the hammer right before the NCAA tournament. Allow UNC to have a monkey breathing down their neck all season and then make an example of them right as the tournament kicks off so that the entire country gets to hear the narrative.

11/8/2014 10:15:04 PM

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"Probably the three departments that had programs in place to keep athletes eligible."

not even mane, one of the emails was about that woman that was the head of the philosophy department putting someone in her feminism class.

this shit is everywhere. i hope it just ruins unc as a university, i really do.

11/9/2014 3:10:48 AM

I really want Illinois to open their season by putting up a 2005 National Champions banner. I actually hope the NCAA hasn't done anything by then and Illinois just does it.

11/9/2014 6:10:19 AM

I just hope Dan Kane continues to dissect each season, including 1993. get thoes smug mf'ers Dan

11/9/2014 9:10:48 AM

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"I really want Illinois to open their season by putting up a 2005 National Champions banner. I actually hope the NCAA hasn't done anything by then and Illinois just does it."

That's not how this works.

That's not how any of this works.

11/9/2014 11:51:55 AM

Illinois Fighting Illini

2005 Helms Bakery National Champions

11/9/2014 1:01:00 PM

so the State Fans Nation article yesterday ended with

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"Just remember, no matter what you think…this will all be over by Friday."

What does that mean? Did I miss something - like, is the NCAA supposed to announce something Friday?

http://www.statefansnation.com/2014/11/news-unc-news/

11/9/2014 1:05:28 PM

I think they're making fun of the UNC people who said something similar years ago when all this mess started.

11/9/2014 1:21:54 PM

oh ok that makes sense. thanks.

11/9/2014 1:37:43 PM

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"I really hope they drop the hammer right before the NCAA tournament. Allow UNC to have a monkey breathing down their neck all season and then make an example of them right as the tournament kicks off so that the entire country gets to hear the narrative."

lol like this would ever happen

11/9/2014 2:30:36 PM

well i'll be. look what's on the front page of my reddit feed: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/09/report-unc-took-26-bogus-classes-during-2005-spring-semester-national-title-run/

the article is sloppy as all hell, but i ain't mad at him.

Quote :

"On average, during the 18 years that the paper classes were being offered at UNC, the basketball team averaged 20 enrollments per year."

i haven't seen it put quite like that before... that's really a lot to average over that long of a span of time.

11/9/2014 4:32:01 PM

^ somehow the preponderance of those enrollments will have been under bill guthridge and matt doherty. just watch

11/9/2014 10:56:44 PM

i wonder how much money is being thrown at matt doherty to not talk if he gets subpoenaed. dude is still right of mind and has nothing to lose relative to roy.

when he's found dead in the front seat of his car from a heroin overdose, don't believe it.

11/10/2014 12:14:23 AM

y'all remember when some UNC fan made a fake NCAA news website just to blow smoke around this when it first cropped up? that may have been the first place the "over by friday" thing started.

11/10/2014 7:49:20 AM

I thought it was the IC mods (Greg Barnes I think)...that made the famous "this will all be over by Friday" comment back during the week of the LSU game. They said just a few players will be suspended for one game and maybe one or two players (Austin and Little) would be suspended for more games...but that it and that "it will all be over by Friday".

lulz

11/10/2014 8:15:40 AM

ah yeah, that sounds familiar. still, the fake website was a nice touch

11/10/2014 8:17:21 AM

^^I think that's right. And I guess that was something like 2 weeks into the initial investigation. hahahaha

[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 8:54 AM. Reason : d]

11/10/2014 8:54:01 AM

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"^ somehow the preponderance of those enrollments will have been under bill guthridge and matt doherty. just watch"

Guthridge is part of the Carolina Club. Doherty, sure, he'll be thrown under a bus.

11/10/2014 11:09:13 AM

Yeah Gut is up there. He had like 2 Final Fours in only 3 or 4 seasons there. Plus all his time as an assistant under Dean.

Doh is somehow gonna be made to be the scapegoat for this

11/10/2014 11:37:59 AM

Doherty was a rogue coach

11/10/2014 12:04:36 PM

these were posted over on PP. nothing we don't know already, other than that someone on PP listens to 102 JAMZ and/or is a Twitter follower. dude's name is Tydreke (not Tadrick) Powell, btw (audio: http://d24edc7kaf4agn.cloudfront.net/1639552/unc-player-on-academic-controversy.mp3?rhihttphost=media.102jamz.com)

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" 102 JAMZ @102_JAMZ · 6h 6 hours ago "You know Roy Williams knows. He's a snake. One thing about # UNC if you ain't got a class with a basketball player, you better!" -Powell"

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"102 JAMZ @102_JAMZ · 6h 6 hours ago "I got my degree in communications & I took the paper classes. I went to # UNC from 2007-2011." -Tadrick Powell"

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"102 JAMZ @102_JAMZ · 6h 6 hours ago "Butch Davis came into a meeting once and said to us 'if you wanted an education, you shoulda went to Harvard." -Tadrick Powell # 3LC"

11/10/2014 4:39:58 PM

^Who is he...a former football player I guess?

11/10/2014 4:41:47 PM

I like the one about the girl taking a test for a football player and then they all rain the train on her.

Jennifer Wiley anybody??

^ Tydreke Powell. I think he was a pretty solid defensive tackle for them.

[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 4:55 PM. Reason : ,]

11/10/2014 4:54:49 PM

yeah. four-star DL who started a couple years, served as captain, and got honorable mention All-ACC once

most interesting part of his senior year bio on goheels is "Afro American studies major"

11/10/2014 4:55:53 PM

yeah...went undrafted...apparently is on the Vikings but doesn't have any stats...practice squad maybe?

11/10/2014 4:56:10 PM

Quote :

"RAIN THE TRAIN"

I'll allow it

11/10/2014 4:59:19 PM

wonder who the bball player was whose name they bleeped out

11/10/2014 5:01:21 PM

^^ I believe its a combination of running the train while making it rain on the girl.

11/10/2014 5:02:46 PM

What a bunch of lying ass dirty cheaters I hope this is the beginning of people selling them out.

11/10/2014 5:40:17 PM

as someone born and raised in the Triad, to anyone else from the area


102 JAMZ!

11/10/2014 5:42:16 PM

What a glorious monday.

11/10/2014 6:46:22 PM

Ahoskie representin'!

11/10/2014 6:57:09 PM

102 Jamz goin' national

11/10/2014 7:41:09 PM

lol @ him saying they were told to intentionally fail some learning disability tests

11/10/2014 8:07:16 PM

^ I can't wait for UNC to try and say that Willingham's research was bogus because players were intentionally tanking the tests.

11/10/2014 8:20:00 PM