oh man. broke out the post count-life comparison beat down! you got me good man.

5/17/2010 3:25:56 PM

ITT breaker05 gets butthurt

5/17/2010 3:57:25 PM

Quote :

"thank you Rush. how many rounds do you have through it?"

Probably 400-500.

5/17/2010 3:58:02 PM

'class 3 permit'

Gotta love folks who know just enough about the world of NFA to get their ass in a sling.

5/18/2010 12:02:21 AM

well please educate me if you know what you are talking about or otherwise stfu.

[Edited on May 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM. Reason : .]

5/18/2010 11:52:02 AM

Alright. First of all, machine guns, destructive devices, short barreled shotguns, and short barreled rifles, as well as the 'any other weapon' category are all part of the National Firearms act. It was put into place just after prohibition ended. It is 'Title II' of firearms law. Thus all guns udner it are Title II items. Title I items are things you can buy at any sporting goods store or gun show with normal paperwork and no additional taxation. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act for info on Title II and see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968 for info on Title I. Title I was then modified by FOPA, passsed in 1986. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act This modification cut off all new additions to the title 2 registry list for machine guns. thus the pre/post 86 reference on many advertisements for full auto stuff. See the bottom of this post for what 'class' means
Items controlled by this act MUST be registered with the federal government, and must have a tax paid to transfer them to a new owner. There is no 'permit' issued to the new owner, just a tax stamp issued, showing that the transfer was allowed to take place, and the tax paid. The federal government 'denies' transfers by refusing to allow you to pay the tax.

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"The Act defines a number of categories of regulated firearms. These firearms are collectively known as NFA firearms and include the following: Machine guns - this includes any firearm which can fire more than 1 cartridge per trigger pull. Both continuous fully-automatic fire and "burst fire" (i.e., firearms with a 3-round burst feature) are considered machine gun features. Short barreled rifles (SBRs) - this category includes any firearm with a buttstock and either a rifled barrel under 16" long or an overall length under 26". The overall length is measured with any folding or collapsing stocks in the extended position. The category also includes firearms which came from the factory with a buttstock that was later removed by a third party. Short barreled shotguns (SBSs) - this category is defined similarly to SBRs, but the length limit for the barrel is 18" instead of 16", and the barrel must be a smoothbore. The minimum overall length limit remains 26". Suppressors - this includes any portable device designed to muffle or disguise the report of a portable firearm. This category does not include non-portable devices, such as sound traps used by gunsmiths in their shops which are large and usually bolted to the floor. Destructive Devices (DDs) - there are two broad classes of destructive devices: Devices such as grenades, bombs, explosive missiles, poison gas weapons, etc. Any non-sporting firearm with a bore over 0.50", such as a 40mm grenade launcher often used in conjunction with military rifles. (Many firearms with bores over 0.50", such as 12-gauge shotguns, are exempted from the law because they have been determined to have a legitimate sporting use.) Any Other Weapons (AOWs) - this is a broad "catch-all" category used to regulate any number of firearms which the ATF deems deserving of registration and taxation. Examples include, among others: Smooth-bore pistols Pen guns and cane guns Short-barreled firearms with both rifled and smooth bores, etc. Disguised firearms Firearms that can be fired from within a wallet holster or a briefcase A short-barreled shotgun which came from the factory with a pistol grip is categorized as an AOW rather than a SBS, because the Gun Control Act describes a shotgun as “…designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder…” Handguns with a forward vertical grip. It is therefore illegal to place an aftermarket foregrip on any pistol without first registering it as an AOW and paying the $200 "making tax" imposed by the Act."

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"A Class 3 SOT dealer is a dealer of NFA firearms A Class 2 SOT manufacturer is a manufacturer of NFA firearms A Class 1 SOT importer is an importer of NFA firearms Type 1 FFL is a Title 1 dealer or gunsmith Type 2 FFL is a Title 1 dealer doing business as a pawnbroker Type 3 FFL is a licensed collector of Curio & Relic (C&R) firearms Type 6 FFL is a licensed maker of ammunition and reloading components other than Armor Piercing ammunition Type 7 FFL is a Title 1 manufacturer of firearms, ammunition and ammunition components other than NFA, Destructive Devices and Armor Piercing ammunition Type 8 FFL is an importer of Title 1 firearms and ammunition Type 9 FFL is a dealer in Title 1 firearms including NFA destructive devices, but no other NFA Type 10 FFL is a manufacturer of Title 1 firearms, ammunition and ammunition components, including NFA Destructive Devices but no other NFA, and not including Armor Piercing ammunition Type 11 FFL is an importer of Title 1 firearms, ammunition and NFA Destructive Devices, but no other NFA To get a Class 3 SOT status, you need a dealer or manufacturer FFL which includes Type 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 or 11 - and pay a yearly $500 tax due every July 1st. To get a Class 2 SOT status, you need a manufacturer FFL, which includes Type 7, 10 - and pay a yearly $1000 or $500 (reduced rate for small manufacturers) tax due every July 1st. To get a Class 1 SOT status, you need an importer FFL, which includes Type 8, 11- and pay a yearly $1000 or $500 (reduced rate for small importers) tax due every July 1st."

5/18/2010 4:56:54 PM

Quote :

"well please educate me if you know what you are talking about or otherwise stfu."

I think you need to put the switch in receive-only. You are not the 800-lb gun knowledge gorilla in the room, young padowan. Lose the fucking attitude and stop making yourself look like a stupid asshole.

5/19/2010 11:58:58 AM

Please tell me you guys remember this:

message_topic.aspx?topic=518707&page=1#11398833

5/19/2010 1:49:20 PM

haha, i do remember that. didn't make the connection that it's the same guy, though.

5/19/2010 2:12:23 PM

I realize this thread is about guns and not sales, which I am in. Hear me out, maybe I can offer some insight.

[Edited on May 19, 2010 at 3:23 PM. Reason : k]

5/19/2010 3:23:10 PM

^ahahah, the one time where I would be amused by that mess of words, and it is erased. Still funny though.

5/20/2010 4:38:10 PM

Browning A5 Light Twelve Vent Rib 26" in 97-99% shape. Asking $1200 obo or trade for high end 1911, AR15 etc.

5/20/2010 7:50:52 PM

any one have a Ruger LCP they want to sell? or maybe a similar pistol?

5/21/2010 12:04:12 PM

^any gun shop or pawn shop has LCPs for around $290

5/21/2010 2:11:33 PM

lawmen's had it <$300 new. Everyone else was at least $40 more. none used.

anyways, picked one up from there. sweet little thing!

now...

FOR SALE: Bersa Thunder 380
7+1 capacity
Factory Magazine
Second owner
At least 1,000 rounds fired
No mechanical problems
Slide shows some wearing and shallow scratches on the surface, though no deeps scrapes
Includes: original box, manual, factory fired brass, key for internal lock, and Uncle Mike's IWB holster
Overall Condition: Good

From what I saw today:
New price: $260
Used price: $230-$250 (great to excellent conditions)

I'd expect something less than these prices, so make an offer. Valid NCDL and CHP/Purchase permit required.

5/21/2010 6:48:27 PM

I also have some HPs and range rounds if you need some to get started.

5/24/2010 1:51:21 PM

^^ how expensive is ammo compared to .22? i'm looking for a plinker

5/24/2010 3:26:51 PM

^about 10 times higher I'd say. I haven't bought ammo in a while... but last time I did, I think .22 was around $0.05/rnd while .380 was around $0.50/rnd. Not to mention, .380 isn't made full-time; it's a seasonal round.

5/24/2010 3:28:17 PM

.380 is one of the worst calibers for plinking you could possibly choose. it's a fine pistol, but .380 doesn't make for a good fun gun.

5/24/2010 6:45:58 PM

Listing this gun for a family neighbor back in Gastonia, NC. Serious inquiries only please. Here's the email he's sending out to folks. I know the guy who bought it and can guarantee all this is legit. I think he just wants something a little bigger.

"Walther PPK, stainless steel, 3 mags, Hogue rosewood grips ($75) and the original plastic grips. Less than 50 rounds fired. Original box and paperwork. Bought the gun at show in Charlotte a couple months ago. Wants to sell and buy a Sig or Kimber .(40). $450 Firm."

Contact me if you have additional questions: cemcgee@gmail.com or (919) 809-9298. I'll try to check this listing through Sat. morning and then when I get back in town on Monday. Thanks.

5/27/2010 2:22:16 PM

A friend offered me $100 cash. If nobody offers more than that by this weekend I'm going to sell it to him.

5/27/2010 4:58:30 PM

still have the bersa

5/27/2010 5:50:02 PM

anyone know anything about a mossberg 702?

5/28/2010 12:48:35 PM

I'm putting a feeler out there in case anyone is interested. I want to sell my Kahr PM9. It's in mint condition and I bought it new and shot maybe 100 rounds through it max. I don't use it enough to justify keeping it. I will post actual pics when I get around to it.

Mine is the PM9093
http://kahr.com/PA-1_9mm_pm.html



obviously you must have permit or CCW
and if you don't know, it's a 9mm

5/28/2010 1:19:20 PM

^^702 is a decent .22. Its not the best, but it works. I prefer a 10/22 or a Marlin 60 imo. Marlin 60's hold more rounds, are wayyy more accurate, and can be found in good condition at pawn shops for like $80

5/28/2010 1:27:09 PM

$175 for the Bersa plus 50rnd box of Blazer 95gr FMJ. Lowest I can go

5/28/2010 5:28:48 PM

Someone needs to jump on that.

5/28/2010 6:33:49 PM

^^Let me ask my buddy.

5/29/2010 1:42:05 PM

Bersa is SPF

5/29/2010 6:56:38 PM

how much you want for the PM9?

5/30/2010 7:14:01 AM

Yes I am curious about the PM9 as well. What were you looking to get for it? also, you said it is in mint condition, but from the picture it looks like you stippled the grip, did you or is that just how it looks?

[Edited on May 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM. Reason : .]

5/30/2010 8:33:15 PM

Interested in the PM9 as well, price?

5/30/2010 9:12:57 PM

^^

Quote :

"I will post actual pics when I get around to it."

and the man's hands in the photo lead me to believe that she meant she was posting a general internet photo and that is NOT hers. Also, that PM9 is completely stock from what I can tell. They have the "stippled" grip molded in from the factory.

Go ahead and add me to the list of people interested in a price as well.

5/30/2010 10:11:39 PM

I'm interested in the PM9 as well. Lemme know a price.

5/30/2010 10:13:31 PM

I don't know why I stumbled into this thread, but I feel it necessary to comment that krazedgirl is actually a dude. That is probably his hand and gun. Have a good day everyone.

5/31/2010 9:21:02 PM

sorry I was out of town for the long weekend but to answer the questions here.

1. Actual pictures are in my gallery. The one in my first post was a generic picture and not me/my gun.
2. I share a TWW account with my gf, hence the username.
3. I paid around $600+ for it. Shot a couple of times. Not sure what I'm looking for. I/you can search gunbroker.com for reasonable prices. Let me get back on this.

6/1/2010 1:58:48 PM

i just want the long magazine

6/1/2010 3:24:01 PM

^^ $200 cash

6/1/2010 4:39:48 PM

$225 check

6/1/2010 5:53:50 PM

$230 IOU
lol

6/1/2010 9:57:33 PM

here's a link to all the active PM9s for sale at gunbroker.com

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Browse.aspx?SearchType=0&Timeframe=0&Keywords=kahr+pm9&Cat=3026&Items=50

6/2/2010 12:16:34 AM

$300 for the kahr.

6/2/2010 8:06:24 AM

^^I'll trade you a like new Glock 22 with night sights, 3 mags, and 6 boxes of FMJ for the PM9.

6/2/2010 1:38:23 PM

What are the chances of anybody having a Beretta M9 they wanna sell?

6/2/2010 7:25:45 PM

anybody have a quad rail for an M4 they want to sell?

6/2/2010 9:05:33 PM

Not sure if I should ask this here or in Fumbler's thread, but could I get a used Glock gen 4 17, 19, or 26 for <$450 (or a new one at a gun show)?. How about the 21/30/36 for <$515?

Otherwise, what would be a good deal for Gen 3 versions of those guns?

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 6:27 PM. Reason : Gen 3]

6/7/2010 6:23:31 PM

$400 is highest offer so far on Kahr PM9....i was hoping for a little more.

6/11/2010 12:51:29 PM

Quote :

"What are the chances of anybody having a Beretta M9 they wanna sell?"

What do you want one for? the 92 series is what you're looking for (M9 is the military designation for it)...but after shooting probably thousands of rounds through them, I know I'd rather have a SIG. There's nothing really wrong with the Beretta--it's dependable and pretty accurate, but I don't really see what's particularly desirable about it, either.

[Edited on June 11, 2010 at 4:03 PM. Reason : I've owned a SIG P226 and have put thousands of rounds through it, too]

6/11/2010 4:02:42 PM

HK P7M8 For Sale. Nice piece. Shot very little. Not sure if this is the right place to list this particular pistol but figured I'd give it a shot. I also have a Surefire M962 Weapon Light Kit for sale. Brand new never used.

[Edited on June 17, 2010 at 5:17 PM. Reason : oh yeah]

6/17/2010 5:15:24 PM

^^I've done a little bit (VERY little bit) of research on the military torture test of them and was very impressed with my initial readings, and I like the way they look. I need to hold one and see how it feels, but I like Sigs too, so I dunno

6/17/2010 7:40:34 PM