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8/20/2009 10:42:02 PM

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8/20/2009 11:20:05 PM

I finally received my Fulton Armory Titan .308 last week (pic below). Now I'm trying to decide what scope to get. I won't be doing any hunting, however I would like an illuminated reticle. I have an AR-15 but this is my first serious rifle. I'll be using it for target shooting and possible (more like certain) zombie invasions. As far as the target shooting goes, I'd like to be have a scope that I could shoot targets at 500 yards with as a median value. The potential to reach out and touch someone at 600-750 yards would be nice.


So far I'm looking at the Mark 4 Leupold LR series scopes: the 4.5-14x, the 3.5-10x and the 6.5-20x scopes. Nightforce and Schmidt and Bender are an arm and a leg and I think spending that much this soon would get me far more scope than I need (can use) at this point. Anyone have any ideas or experience with other brands and have any suggestions? Barska? Nikon?

8/24/2009 9:07:51 PM

Wow. Nice purchase. One of these days I need to pony up and get myself something nice like that.

That being said, I've heard mixed reviews on .308 effectiveness on zombies.

8/24/2009 9:27:10 PM

Do you need target turrets?
If not I'd get the Bushnell 6500 2.5-16x42mm 30mm tube with side parallax focus.
The Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x40mm would be nice, but not as versatile.
I'm a cheap bastard though and would find it hard to justify dropping a shit ton of money on a MK4 when I know a VX-3 will do just fine.

If you need target turrets get the Leupold MK4.
It's hard to beat Leupold. I used to hate them until I realized the quality of their glass is actually better than others in the same price class. The center to edge distortion of even their cheapest scopes aren't matched until you get into the european and high end japanese scopes.
The customer service is the absolute best too. No questions asked, if it's broken just send it back.

8/24/2009 10:42:33 PM

The mark of a good scope isn't just optics quality. The adjustment mechanism is also a big deal...how precise and repeatable it is, stuff like that.

8/24/2009 10:53:46 PM

Yes, very much true. The reason I didn't mention that is because he's already looking into $texas scopes. Very few scopes at the VX-3 level or higher have bad build quality.
The Leupold MK4, IORs, Nightforce, US Optics, etc will have more repeatable adjustments with more robust internal parts than something like the VX-3, but let's face it. There's a point when good enough is good enough (which is why I personally wouldn't go all the way up to the MK4 level of scopes in the first place).

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 11:07 PM. Reason : ]

8/24/2009 11:05:59 PM

Depends on what you're putting it on. a VX-3 is certainly plenty of scope for any normal, sporter-weight hunting rifle.

If you are building something like the .223 I shot one time that would let you consistantly put 5 rounds through one ragged hole at 100 yards, then shoot the staples out of the target...it might pay to buy really top-shelf optics. Stuff like firearms and optics are one of those things where I believe in spending the money for great stuff, as they generally last a really, REALLY long time, so you might as well buy well, buy once.

8/24/2009 11:23:48 PM

The optics and adjustments in a VX-3 are good enough for just about anyone doing just about anything. Now, if you're going to drag the rifle through the field or regularly shoot past 1k yards then you'd want to step up to the big names for their durability and for the small gain in optical characteristics.

My Tikka T3 is a consistent 0.5MOA gun. Many "tactical" rifles are consistent 0.5MOA guns. I still only have a VX-1 on my T3 because I know it'll work fine. Just because it's a capable rifle doesn't mean I have to drop $1000 on a scope.

I'm not saying he shouldn't spend a ton of money; he should spend a lot of money if he has it and wants a nice compliment to his nice rifle. I'm just saying for a recreational rifle he'll hit the point of diminishing returns pretty quick.

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 9:33 AM. Reason : ]

8/25/2009 9:30:24 AM

Teenaged girl arrested for being topless, but not for open carry:

http://phillipbantz.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/armed-topless-teen-free-stater-arrested-in-keene/


Live free or die I guess . . .

8/26/2009 2:20:22 AM

She was there to make a statement about nudity, not guns, and she came off looking like a nutjob - pure and simple. We call those kind of folks "attention whores" around here, and they're not doing anything good for our cause.

8/26/2009 9:27:53 AM

I guess it is kind of strange that guys can walk around without a shirt on but women can't. Either way there's nipple and stuff, it's just that in the female case their titties are bigger and nicer looking (Usually). But some guys have massive tits and yet they can take their shirt off and let everyone see that sickening trash. I mean, I don't want to see topless grandmas everywhere, although unfortunately I have before at the nude beach , but I also don't really understand the law personally.

In this case I really just think it's the way you're raised, because in a lot of cultures people just walk around naked pretty much, even as adults. Those cultures don't find it offensive to be a human, but ours does, possibly because of our religious heritage? I really don't know.


Anyway, did anyone see why they were carrying guns or what they claimed the reason was at least? Was that a side point that they were trying to address or was it just to get them even more attention? I mean, if it was the latter then it definitely worked. I guess there's also the possibility that she always carries it and just happened to be doing something different on that day, which would make me respect her actions a bit more than if she just did the whole thing for attention (Which is what it kind of seems like unfortunately).

8/26/2009 9:42:28 AM

Yeah, I'm not trying to make a point one way or the other, I just thought it was interesting.

8/26/2009 9:56:05 AM

Quote :

"I'll be using it for target shooting and possible (more like certain) zombie invasions."

Do you know something we don't?

8/26/2009 10:19:16 AM

^^^ There are actually some places that are allowing women to go topless. I believe DC is one of these places.
Legal in these US states/cities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom#United_States

However, not all officers know about the law changing and you could end up being arrested/detained until everything gets straightened out.

[Edited on August 26, 2009 at 8:09 PM. Reason : more info.]

8/26/2009 8:08:31 PM

Umm... unless something has changed, NC law also states genitalia. It's technically legal for a woman to walk around topless. However, it wouldn't be hard to charge a woman with disturbing the peace or something similar due to the obvious crowds that would gather.

8/26/2009 9:47:12 PM

The free state project promotes sterile open carry, aka no id on you. they ask that all members who can carry do so at most events, and encourage members to refuse to provide id, or any information, to any government of law enforcement official.

8/26/2009 10:17:15 PM

Just want to say thanks to all you guys pushing for gun rights, especially the SCCC guys in here. Admittedly I'm adjunct faculty and can't join in the demonstrations, empty holsters, etc (a decision I regrettably stand by) but I hear people talking about the group and that's really the point - to get people talking about their rights.

8/26/2009 10:39:30 PM

The first SCCC meeting of this semester will be happening in the next week or two. Keep your eyes and ears open.

8/26/2009 11:30:57 PM

Can anyone recommend a good gun smith in the area? I have Sig that someone dropped that jolted the rear site and caused one of the tritium capsules to come out

It's been like this for a while, and I just haven't tried to fix it yet. I'm assuming I'll need to buy a whole new set of sights and get them installed.

8/27/2009 1:20:46 PM

Is fixing stuff yourself a thing of the past?

This is an easy fix.
If the tritium's still bright then just glue that sucker back in. They're normally only held in with epoxy from the factory...at least the Trijicons are and they manufacture SigLites.

-get some high quality clear epoxy for $5
-clean out the hole by scraping the inside with a wire or pick to remove any remaining adhesive
-rinse the hole out with rubbing alcohol
-clean off the outside of the tritium vial with alcohol
-mix epoxy
-use toothpick to put small amount of epoxy into hole
-insert tritium vial
-quickly wipe away any epoxy that squeezed out or is covering the end of the vial
-let cure
-profit

Or you could drop $100 on some new sights and $30 for the installation fee

[Edited on August 27, 2009 at 10:40 PM. Reason : ]

8/27/2009 10:39:53 PM

Where is the best place to get a two stage parts kit for an AR15 that has good prices and the products are in stock? Also looking for a full length rifle stock spring and buffer tube.

8/28/2009 12:17:31 PM

Quote :

"Is fixing stuff yourself a thing of the past?"

guess I should've been a little clearer. I don't have the capsule, or else I would've popped it back in a long time ago. but thanks

8/28/2009 2:00:45 PM

ah, ok, sorry.

If you're brave enough, you can buy some new sights and replace them yourself.
All you need is a bench vice and a punch.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=783622

Take the slide off, sandwich it in the vice with cardboard or wood to protect the finish from the vice (don't crank down too hard on the vice, just enough to firmly hold the slide), then use the punch to carefully tap the sights out from left to right.
Tap the new sights in from right to left. You may have to gently file a tiny bit of the new sights' dovetails on the left side to get them started into the slide's dovetails.

8/28/2009 2:09:16 PM

^^^ anybody? looked at personal defense they wanted 90 for a parts kit, adco's is 60 but on backorder til who knows when.

8/29/2009 5:45:42 PM

For a lower parts kit, I think AR15.com classifieds is the best bet. There's a guy on there with Rock River LPKs for $67. Other than that blackrifleworks.com and midwayusa both have one for about $75 in stock. Every now and then midway will get the DPMS lpk's in stock for $59 bucks but they sell out almost immediately so you have to act fast. None of these are gonna come with a two-stage trigger which is what I think you were talking about in your above post, so you would probably have to buy that separate. From what I have read Timney triggers are the best for the money but about $300. National Matches are also good though and around $150.

8/30/2009 4:43:34 PM

So more on the riflescope choice: I think I'm going to go with Luepold's Mark 2 4-12x40mm Adj. Obj. T2 scope http://www.leupold.com/tactical/products/scopes/mark-2-riflescopes/mark-2-4-12x40mm-adj-obj-t2/. It's priced pretty reasonably (~$550) and although it doesn't have illuminated sights, I don't think that's something I would really need right from the start. Most of my shooting will be daytime at an outdoor or indoor range. I just can't justify spending >$1k on a scope when I'm just starting out shooting at long range.

I would expect this would be similar quality to the VX-3 except I can get mil-dot and it has target turrets. Anyone have any other experiences?

I was going to pick up some La Rue rings to mount it but I want a removable rail mount so that I could use the Troy ind. BUIS.

9/1/2009 9:27:19 AM

Debating heading up to Anniston, Al to pick out either an M1 Garand or a M1 Carbine. Anyone have any experience/ recommendations with either of these?

9/1/2009 6:54:14 PM

The only big issue I had with my surplus Garand was the operating rod coming unseated from the receiver a bit more than I liked. Mechanically its a very sturdy rifle, just make sure to look it over for excessive wear and tear. You can pull back on the rear of the trigger guard and lift out the trigger group then pull off the stock very easily if you need a better look.

In the end I would certainly recommend picking one up if you can find a good price.

The carbine I had growing up was a great rifle. I remember pulling it out of the attic and putting a few mags through it without issue before taking it down later and realizing that the moving parts were bone dry.

9/1/2009 9:26:25 PM

If you didn't know already, watch your thumb when you load a new clip in the garand. It's not fun.

9/1/2009 10:00:09 PM

^ damn straight, there is a very specific way to correctly load your M1, and a whole lot of ways to piss in your pants in front of your friends.

9/1/2009 10:09:55 PM

whats up with the federal law allowing carry in national parks?

im heading to pisgua national forest this weekend (linville gorge area) and im not sure if state law is in effect or national. can i carry now?

9/2/2009 8:34:20 AM

No. That doesn't go into effect until next year, in February.

9/2/2009 9:18:45 AM

Quote :

"whats up with the federal law allowing carry in national parks? im heading to pisgua national forest this weekend (linville gorge area) and im not sure if state law is in effect or national. can i carry now?"

National parks are usually different than National Forests. You can legally open carry in National Forests in NC.

9/2/2009 9:28:03 AM

That law concerning concealed carry will go into effect on Feb 10, 2010

It will allow concealed handgun permit holders to carry concealed on federal parks and forests so long as you have a permit from that state or your permit state has reciprocity and that state's laws allow you to carry.

[Edited on September 2, 2009 at 9:44 AM. Reason : I went to Glacier National Park in June and got educated on this subject.]

9/2/2009 9:42:35 AM

not to start a typical tww argument, but looks like in NC you can NOT carry in national forests.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/northcarolina.pdf

9/2/2009 12:41:21 PM

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"The only big issue I had with my surplus Garand was the operating rod coming unseated from the receiver a bit more than I liked."

Yeah, I'm buying it more as a "cool to have" piece than something to shoot regularly, though I expect to do so.

It might sound silly, but I'm somewhat torn because the unit I was in on active duty jumped into Normandy mostly with carbines but the one I'm in now hit the beaches with Garands. I might just have to get one of each

9/2/2009 1:09:43 PM

^^ To travel in NC any sort of distance, you go through Uwharrie National Forest. Which, by the way houses a shooting range.
This tells me that forests are ok, and parks are not.

9/2/2009 1:52:49 PM

^^ Didn't airborne jump with a good number of garands as well?

I think the only real solution is to save up and buy yourself a thompson, then tell me how much beer to bring.

9/2/2009 3:21:55 PM

^^^ I thought you were out of the military, hahaha that blows

9/2/2009 7:11:12 PM

Quote :

"not to start a typical tww argument, but looks like in NC you can NOT carry in national forests. http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/northcarolina.pdf"

Just to be clear, open carry is legal everywhere in NC, including national forests (except where guns are specifically forbidden)

9/2/2009 10:43:20 PM

^^^ Field Artillery units were big on the carbines. I used to have the e-mails of a couple of those guys but I can't find them any more There is a pretty active reenacting unit in Belgium that recreates our battalion so I've shot some of those guys e-mails.

^^ Out of the big Army but on AD for training until around the beginning of the year.

9/3/2009 9:22:42 AM

Kay Hagen at USASOC on Bragg:



She needs to lean into the rifle, they should have collapsed the stock for her, and possibly brought the broomstick in. That being said, its nice to have a Senator who looks good in jeans while shooting an M4 and doesn't spew ignorant shit like Sarah Palin.

9/3/2009 3:21:04 PM

^ Whats the story with those stocks anyway? I saw a few at the gun show and wasn't sure what the extra bit on the sides was for.

9/3/2009 3:31:03 PM

Repeatable cheek weld. Some guys find the GI stock to be uncomfortable.

9/3/2009 3:45:56 PM

Better cheek weld is the main thing it solves. Many also have compartments in those side protrusions to store batteries or whatever.

9/3/2009 5:47:21 PM

Anyone know anything about local NC State game lands? I was looking to find a spot to sight in my rifle and do a good bit of shooting at random shit. I've been to the game lands at Shearon Harris before and it was just an empty ditch we found and started shooting into the bottom of. Didn't see anyone or more specifically any wardens all day and had a good time.

To sight in I''ll need 100 yards. Anyone know a spot or have any ideas where I could find something like that?

9/3/2009 6:09:54 PM

pudgy operator up there

+1 on the battery storage, beats digging around in the bottom of your rig pouches for them

9/3/2009 6:51:44 PM

Right on. It looked like a cheek pad, but then there was the perfect space for AA batteries so I didn't know if there was an iPod dock in there too.

9/3/2009 8:38:35 PM

nah, you hook those up to the ICS in your vehicle

9/3/2009 8:51:47 PM