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6/15/2009 2:45:49 PM

P-51 50 cal. gun??

6/15/2009 4:08:30 PM

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"I'll definately post some holsters for sale on tww when I make them."

Please do.

I'd also like a Kydex rig for a GP-100/L-Frame revolver so I can use it for IDPA, but I can't find anyone that makes one. Assuming I gave you the pistol to work with, could you make an IWB like yours for it?

6/15/2009 4:42:22 PM

I have a GP-100. If that's what you have then I might be able to make something.

It won't be for a little while though, I'm moving and all my projects are on hold.

6/15/2009 5:31:13 PM

^ Check out Plastics & Fiberglass Products Company on Capital (inside beltline about a mile on the right). They carry 4'x8' sheets of kydex that's 2-3 mm if I remember correctly. It's fantastic for making IWB holsters (though you do have to be careful on the first few since it's so much thinner that it molds & melts much quicker). Cost is ridiculous. I think I paid $70 for the sheet when I bought it about a year and a half ago. I made a good 25 holsters out of 1/3 of the whole sheet before I quit buying guns & had someone offer to buy my holster making equipment for about 3x what I paid for it.

6/15/2009 8:45:25 PM

Plastics and fiberglass moved from their old address, i cant remember the new one....but make sure to call before heading out there

6/15/2009 10:45:31 PM

I'm unable to locate anyone who has Speer Gold Dots in stock

6/18/2009 1:59:46 PM

http://www.doubletapammo.com/
Their "Bonded Defense" loads are gold dots.

I have Double Tap's 125gr 38 Spl +P and they're big boomers as far as 38s go. DT says they're 1100fps out of a snub nosed J frame, but many chrono results from various sources clock them at 1050fps or a little more from J frames. DT's a little optimistic, but they're still hotter than the big name manufacturers. In my airweight they feel like 125gr 357 Gold Dots in my GP-100. Easily manageable for the average shooter.
I imagine their other loads are good too (especially if you shoot 10mm).

I like DT's prices; around $35/50rds

Last time I was at PDHSC they had Winchester Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1 (mall ninja sounding name) loads. They should be as good as gold dots and come in 9mm, 40S&W, 38Spl +P, and 45ACP.

[Edited on June 18, 2009 at 6:19 PM. Reason : ]

6/18/2009 6:14:14 PM

ok- I'm looking at getting a cheap gun cabinet (one that locks) and attaching it to a wall... I pretty much want something that will deter most would-be thieves. The is a 10 gun one that they sell at Dick's for 130- is it worth it?


http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3377107


I mean, I know someone with the right tools and determination can get into that thing pretty quickly, but I've seen videos showing that this is the case with even some of those $1000 safes... I just want to get something that will keep someone who is just trying to do a quick smash, stash, and dash away from my firearms (especially if I'm about to start investing in some new rifles)

[Edited on June 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM. Reason : 4]

6/23/2009 7:57:52 AM

^^ Some of the highest power loads on the market and the pricing is incredibly good. Not only that, but like he said, you're getting Gold Dots loaded in Starline nickel coated cases with carefully selected low flash powders. That stuff is the heat son.

They claim their 115gr 9mm +P Gold Dot hits 1415fps and 511ft.lb. out of a Glock 17!

Their 125gr .38 Special +P load is absolutely incredible. They claim around 1100fps and 330ft.lb. out of a 1.875" S&W Model 642 barrel. Out of a 4" barrel you can seriously expect near 9x19mm performance with this round.

6/23/2009 10:29:47 AM

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"ok- I'm looking at getting a cheap gun cabinet (one that locks) and attaching it to a wall... I pretty much want something that will deter most would-be thieves. The is a 10 gun one that they sell at Dick's for 130- is it worth it? http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3377107 I mean, I know someone with the right tools and determination can get into that thing pretty quickly, but I've seen videos showing that this is the case with even some of those $1000 safes... I just want to get something that will keep someone who is just trying to do a quick smash, stash, and dash away from my firearms (especially if I'm about to start investing in some new rifles)"

When I was going back and forth about getting a safe or cabinet, I ended up going with the safe - it's simply more effective at doing what it's supposed to do.

The shin sheet metal cabinets can be gotten into with hand tools - if anyone got in your house when you weren't there, they could likely find something to pry or beat it open with without a lot of trouble. Would you really trust thousands of dollars in investment to a flimsy cabinet that most folks could get into with common hand tools?

Safes, on the other hand, are nearly indestructible when mounted properly. When you see these videos online of people getting into $1k safes in two minutes, they never do it to one bolted to a wall in a closet or closed corner, do they? They're not designed to withstand heavy damage all over, but when placed properly and bolted down, no hand tool is going to be able to exert the necessary force to get in.

Having been there, I recommend saving $4-500 you would use for another gun and buy a decent quality safe instead. In my opinion, it's the single best investment I ever made for my collection, bar none. Dick's has some very reasonably priced basic models that would do the trick if you just have a few guns, and they're frequently on sale.

[Edited on June 23, 2009 at 10:45 AM. Reason : .]

6/23/2009 10:44:30 AM

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"I'm unable to locate anyone who has Speer Gold Dots in stock "

Davis had some last week.

6/23/2009 12:26:34 PM

They were charging like $45 for a box of 20 rounds the last time I went there. After I saw that I walked out and never looked back.

6/23/2009 12:29:30 PM

price gouging? in my ammo shops?

it's more likely than you think

6/23/2009 12:30:52 PM

I did not look at the prices but that is not suprising. That place has always sucked.

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"I'm unable to locate anyone who has Speer Gold Dots in stock "

What caliber do you need?

[Edited on June 23, 2009 at 12:49 PM. Reason : ?]

6/23/2009 12:47:46 PM

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"price gouging? in my ammo shops? it's more likely than you think"

I know what you're sayin, but when a store across town sells the same box of rounds for ~$30 there's no reason to be payin $45 for them! Davi's is a HUGE ripoff, particularly when it comes to ammo.

6/23/2009 1:07:28 PM

^^I got a box for free

6/23/2009 5:11:00 PM

always remember, a safe is just a carrying case for your guns to leave in, if you don't put it tight in a corner, with baseboards removed, no gap to wall, and bolt it down massively.

6/23/2009 5:27:08 PM

^^^i was agreeing. just saying it's to be expected at some places and to be careful and avoid them.

[Edited on June 23, 2009 at 5:27 PM. Reason : SON]

6/23/2009 5:27:20 PM

If you want ammo, then yall need to go to Lawmen's.
It's $23 for a box of 50 Gold Dots

6/24/2009 11:12:48 PM

I'm going to be moving to a different county in NC, does anyone know if I'm going to have to pay to get a new CCP permit with the sheriff in that county? or will wake "transfer" it or something?

6/24/2009 11:22:09 PM

It doesn't matter so long as its in NC. I did the same, got mine from Wake literally days before I moved to Charlotte and purchased some pistols with it at a Charlotte gunshow. I'd bring some sort of proof that you lived at an address in Wake such as drivers license or something to validate the filing. I don't know if that's required but the two dealers I was buying from requested both the old address and new address.

6/24/2009 11:42:08 PM

I'm not talking about buying stuff with it as much as actually transferring the permit

I know that you have to go in person to update your address if you move, I'm just not sure if they'll issue me a new one with my new address (which will be in another county) or if I'll have to reapply in the new county

6/25/2009 12:11:35 AM

You will probably need to bring proof of the new address to get it changed, but you can always just call the Sheriff's office and ask.
There isn't any fees that I'm aware of.

6/25/2009 12:20:17 AM

I think the fee is $10 to get a card with the new address on it.

[Edited on June 25, 2009 at 10:02 AM. Reason : Wake County anyway.]

6/25/2009 10:01:50 AM

but the man's moving to a completely different county

6/25/2009 10:28:20 AM

you do not have to reapply in the new county.

It's been a 1 1/2 years since I did it but if I remember correctly, I went to Wake county & filled out the form and they then sent that to my new county (Caldwell). Once Caldwell got it, they gave me a change of address printout. At that point, I could pay them (forget how much) and they would issue me a new card. Otherwise, I just had to keep the change of address form with my permit and show them together. That is actually what I ended up doing since the lady was nice enough to trim it down and laminate it so that it was the same size as my permit.

If your experience is anything like mine, CHECK UP ON RALEIGH. I actually had to get Caldwell involved because she lost my paperwork. They got on the phone with her and verified me so that I could do everything by fax. This was after the woman told me that she was working on it or had sent it out 3 different times.

6/25/2009 6:34:19 PM

I'd like some input on a concealed carry weapon.

Been doing a lot research, as this will be my first handgun purchase and soon will be my first carry weapon.

I have a strong bias toward heavy caliber and high capacity. I am more than willing to change how I dress, deal with it being uncomfortable, spend a lot of time at the range, and whatever else is required to accommodate that. I don't really do anything halfway, so time and effort are not issues.

My first choice is the Glock-30 compact .45, with a 10+1 mag (12+1, I believe, if I use the Glock21 mags, which are interchangeable).

First, is this possible? I've held one in my hand, but I have no baseline to compare it with regarding how well it would conceal.

Second, has anyone used smartcarry? http://www.smartcarry.com/photos.html

And, although a lot of folks hate on it, I am open to ankle-carry, if it means I can handle something bigger than would be reasonable on a hip in office clothes. Most situations where I, personally, would need it would likely allow me time so a quick draw is not a big factor (road rage, store hold-up while I'm a customer, home invasion, etc.). Surprise muggings and random acts of violence directed at me are not nearly as likely as those, in my estimation.

Feel free to call me an idiot and suggest something different. Looking for general input. Thanks



[Edited on June 25, 2009 at 8:20 PM. Reason : a]

6/25/2009 8:16:41 PM

The glock 30 is actually a touch larger than a 19/23 size frame.
I don't think it would be too comfortable at smart carry though I don't have experience with that form of carry.

The G21 mags will fit, but stick out farther, and usable best as a backup.

From what I hear, the G30 is an extremely manageable gun, but you are going to be spending a lot in ammo to become proficient. You can spend an extra $150 and get a conversion barrel to shoot a smaller and cheaper caliber.

6/25/2009 8:27:18 PM

The 23 was my second choice. I keep having to tell myself that there's nothing wrong with a .40, and it has a lot of other things going for it comparing size, ammo availability and price. A lot of folks have been suggesting it. And if it's good enough for the FBI, it's gotta be good enough for me.

6/25/2009 8:40:48 PM

Better the 32 or other small gun you carry every day, and the larger gun for social use, than the 40 or 45 that you end up not carrying to work when its warm, or when you have to sit in an office chair for long meetings, etc. If ever I feel I do not have enough gun, I always wish I had my tactical 870 slung, or my calico, or a rifle, never that my pistol was one of the largest ones back home in the safe.

6/25/2009 9:40:38 PM

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"Once Caldwell got it, they gave me a change of address printout. At that point, I could pay them (forget how much) and they would issue me a new card. Otherwise, I just had to keep the change of address form with my permit and show them together."

AFAIK (in raleigh) go to the wake county sheriffs office and fill out a change of address form, pay $10, show them your ID with new address on it and they print out a change of address card that you can carry with you. They told me to do that instead of paying another $90 to get a new card. They never said anything about contacting the new city I was in and waiting for that to clear. If they told me the wrong info, I'll be in for a surprise on Monday. Interesting...

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"Better the 32 or other small gun you carry every day, and the larger gun for social use, than the 40 or 45 that you end up not carrying"

I hear that a lot and it's very good advice. I am seriously considering getting an LCP or something similar b/c of the size, clothes issue.

[Edited on June 26, 2009 at 12:53 AM. Reason : d]

6/26/2009 12:43:29 AM

if you want a daily carry gun I'd strongly recommend 9mm. I know you said "I'd rather have bigger and more uncomfortable" but think about how much that's going to weigh on you every single day. Also, with modern ballistics, the stopping power of 9mm is not that far behind 45. If there's some reason you absolutely have to use ball ammo then you have a point, but for self defense I see no reason not to use hollow point ammo regardless of caliber

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"Load vel. energy penetr F.Dia. One-stop .45 auto 230gr Hyd-shok 850 349 12 0.78 94% 230gr Goldsabr 875 391 14 0.75 93% Corbon 185grJHP 1150 544 11.3 0.70 92% .40 auto Corbon135gJHP 1300 507 9.8 0.56 96% Fedrl 155grJHP 1140 448 12 0.65 94% 165gr Goldsabr 1150 485 12 0.68 94% 9mm auto Corbon115grJHP+P 1350 466 14 0.55 91% Rem.124grGoldSabr+P 1180 384 12 0.65 83% Win 115grSiltip 1225 383 8 0.72 83%"

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/calloadgoshin.htm

not sure how accurate this is, but it shows that the highest possible stopping power is actually a .40 cal. my understanding is that 40 cal is among the newest caliber in cartridge technology and operates under a very high pressure. bigger isn't always better.

also, in comparing .45 to 9mm, there's only a 3% difference in the most effective loads for each (91% chance of a 1 hit stop to 93%). You can easily get 10-14 rounds out of a LCP, where at 10 will likely be your max for .45 cal.

[Edited on June 26, 2009 at 1:36 AM. Reason : also, 9mm = $9/box, 40cal = $16/box, give or take]

6/26/2009 1:30:43 AM

Carrying even a sub-compact Glock on your ankle for long periods of time is very strenuous and uncomfortable. You can find a good IWB holster that will work so much better. Even customer IWB holsters can be made tuckable. I've worn a G22 in a IWB holster in a car for 4+ hrs without a problem. But I just recently started to carry my G27 and its so much easier, like its not there. With both guns, I had to buy a real gun belt, and shop around for decent shorts with the right placement of the belt loops; but now I carry worry free.

6/26/2009 1:48:57 AM

^^ practice ammo, blazer brass 9mm, 9.97/box, blazer brass 40 WAS 12.47 for the last boxes I bought.

6/26/2009 5:34:10 AM

sill is 12.47 AFAIK. just federal and not BB. did prices go up for you?

6/26/2009 7:43:56 AM

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"91% chance of a 1 hit stop to 93%"

Is that an example or are those real numbers? One shot stops in handguns are extremely rare, probably closer to the inverse of those percentages.

The gun world has to look beyond the concept that carrying a handgun gives you a magic wand that dispenses badguys with ease. It needs to be viewed as what it is, a marginally effective tool in what needs to be a well-rounded self defense system.


On another note, today is the one year anniversary of DC v Heller.

6/26/2009 7:49:02 AM

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"I have a strong bias toward heavy caliber and high capacity. I am more than willing to change how I dress, deal with it being uncomfortable, spend a lot of time at the range, and whatever else is required to accommodate that. I don't really do anything halfway, so time and effort are not issues. "

I'm with kyle, you may want to reconsider buying a Glock 30 for carry. You may find it comfortable enough, but it will work for fewer occasions than say, a S&W J frame, Kahr PM9, etc.
Glocks are simply too thick for me to carry and having to change all my clothes to fit one would be a pain in the ass. Then I wouldn't carry it anyways just because it'd be heavy.

I think you should get a Glock 30 if you want it, but then get a second carry gun for lighter clothes.

Quote :

" My first choice is the Glock-30 compact .45, with a 10+1 mag (12+1, I believe, if I use the Glock21 mags, which are interchangeable). First, is this possible? I've held one in my hand, but I have no baseline to compare it with regarding how well it would conceal."

It will conceal like a box of fudge rounds.
The butt of the grip will poke out your shirt unless you're a huge person. I'm 5'-8" and 170 lbs and I can't conceal a compact Glock. Some people somehow do it, but not me.

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" Second, has anyone used smartcarry? http://www.smartcarry.com/photos.html "

I've never used one, but people who have used them say they're slow. It's a trade off like many things. They conceal well, but are very slow.
I think a compact Glock might be too big for that unless you simply have tons of space in your pants.

I'd suggest getting an Alabama Holster Company Appendix holster.
Appendix carry works for me. I carry a J frame in a homemade IWB holster over my appendix and I can wear any shirt that's looser than a wife beater. It doesn't print no matter how I move and it's comfortable.

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"The 23 was my second choice. I keep having to tell myself that there's nothing wrong with a .40, and it has a lot of other things going for it comparing size, ammo availability and price. A lot of folks have been suggesting it. And if it's good enough for the FBI, it's gotta be good enough for me."

The 40S&W generally makes more power than the 45ACP and has more recoil. Just because it's a smaller diameter doesn't mean it's not as effective.

As far as calibers, it doesn't matter what you carry for the most part. Any of the popular calibers, 380ACP and up will do fine as long as they hit vitals.
My personal carry calibers are 38 Special, 380 ACP, and 9mm. Yeah, that's it. I have a lot of shooting experience and have owned all the popular calibers, yet all of my carry guns shoot 0.35" bullets.
I'm comfortable with the fact that I shoot enough to get good hits on a target and I don't care too much about the caliber as long as it punches a hole. A hole is a hole, and a 0.1" wider hole isn't worth worrying over.

Carrying is a game of compromise. I carry a handgun because my shotgun won't fit in my pants. I carry a 9mm because I shoot that particular gun well, but would prefer the same gun in 10mm (which they don't make). I carry a J frame when I don't have enough loose clothes to hide the 9mm, but I give up both capacity and some power. I carry a 380 when it's hot and the J frame would otherwise bug the hell out of me, but I give up a lot of power.

The bottom line is I always have a gun of some kind. If I only have one gun, it wouldn't be a big gun because I wouldn't carry a big gun all the time.

6/26/2009 9:42:16 AM

Just a side note, the Glock 30 is almost the size of a Glock 19 and it's wider.

Get a Glock 26 dude, hands down.

6/26/2009 9:44:42 AM

I'd agree with the 26, or a 27.
A double stack 45 is just too fat. A double stacked anything is too fat for me.

6/26/2009 10:00:44 AM

http://www.hyattgunstore.com/product.php?productid=17168&cat=909&page=2



Anyone have experiences with the 1100 tactical?

6/26/2009 10:33:26 AM

A friend has one that he uses in 3-gun competitions.
There's not much to say, they work great just like any other 1100.

They don't have the features of other shotguns, but they're cheaper.
if you get one, you should swap the sights for a ghost ring set.

Ghost rings kick butt on shotguns. They're as quick as front beads but you can use the ring for more accurate shooting.

6/26/2009 10:37:33 AM

yes, I'd most likely go for ghost rings. my poor little 1200 winchester might be getting a replacements

6/26/2009 10:45:44 AM

I don't know how you feel about the stock, but I like regular stocks more than the extended pistol grip stocks on shotguns.
They just seem to point faster for me.

If it was looking for a gun like that, I'd get the regular synthetic 1100, knock off the vent rib, cut the barrel down to 20", then add ghost ring sights and a mag extension, and refinish with Gun Kote. Maybe have it recut for choke tubes too.
I don't know how handy you are with tools, but if you did it yourself you'd probably get exactly what you want and still come in under the cost of the tactical.

I should be a gunsmith...

6/26/2009 11:01:51 AM

nice point. What's the deal with cutting the barrel? That an acceptable practice? I'm a 18" barrel guy myself (one of my odd requirements is to be able to one-hand the gun and the barrel not touch the ground).

About a year ago i came across an 11-87 Police edition (exact same as above^, minus the mag tube extension) for $380 used.... love to find that thing again and swap the rear stock

6/26/2009 11:08:24 AM

Cutting the barrel is acceptable as long as you're good with hand tools.

The ATF measures barrel length from breech face to muzzle. To do this, you:
-take the unloaded shotgun with the action closed, put a dowel in the barrel all the way til it hits the breech face, then mark the dowel at the muzzle.
-Measure 18.25" from the end of the dowel and mark it. Measure between the two marks and that's how much you can cut off.
-Mark the barrel at that cut off distance from the muzzle.
-Cut the barrel with a hack saw.
-Use a really good square to check for squareness and file down the muzzle with a mill file until it is perfectly flat and perpendicular.

That's it. Pretty easy.

Then you:
-Cut the vent rib off. Leave the rib's attachment points as a reference for the top of the barrel.
-Sand the finish off where you're going to attach the front sight base.
-Mark the spot you want to attach the front sight base using the rib's attachment points as an index.
-Clean the barrel and front sight post with acetone.
-Apply flux to front sight base, heat up front sight, put on brazing solder (silver brazing solder, the high temp kind, not normal stuff).
-Apply flux to barrel, heat barrel and front sight up, then position the front sight and let the solder flow between the two pieces.
-File down rib attachment points as well as any excess solder.
-Refinish with Gun Kote.
-Profit

[Edited on June 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM. Reason : ]

6/26/2009 11:40:36 AM

WRT Smartcarry, drawing while standing isn't too hard, drawing while on the move gets more difficult. It will conceal a single stack or a revolver under only a t-shirt, but speed (even when you set the grip above the belt) is an issue.

A buddy of mine has a FIST appendix that he really loves.

6/26/2009 1:19:58 PM

well, it's time for me to find a gun repair shop damn 380 won't fire - I'm pretty sure it's the magazine catch, as it won't move and sits just above any magazine put in it...

any recommendations?

6/26/2009 5:42:48 PM

dangit, missed the edit.

One of the guys at PDHSC said the magazine should make contact with what he called the magazine catch (first picture) but the Bersa manual says that's the ejector.

The magazine catch (I believe), according to Bersa, is loose (moves freely) independently of the magazine (pictures 2 and 3). I can post more pictures if need be.

Ejector with magazine just below it


Magazine catch (?) up


Magazine catch (?) down




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6/26/2009 6:24:19 PM

damn, son. you got a macro setting on the camera?

6/26/2009 6:29:28 PM