^^ lol

10/2/2019 7:41:30 PM

Alright, we gotta know where this shit originated. I really wanna know which direction the shit flows.

Like does Giuliani invent this shit and launders it through John Solomon, Barr, Pompeo, Trump or vice versa, or are all these hacks being fed from the FSB or what.




/bc no one reads the last post

10/2/2019 7:43:51 PM

Perhaps Rudy’s goal is just to make our brains melt. It’s working..

But seriously the rightwing echo system is vast and well-organized and Democrats have ZERO idea how to deal with it. There is no equivalent anywhere to it.

I think someone has posted about it on here before but google the “hack gap.” It’s real and it’s a sort of Overton window for what news is covered.

I’m actually surprised the resident media critic, Earl, hasn’t spoken of it but then I remembered he likes RW narratives and Trump.

[Edited on October 2, 2019 at 8:28 PM. Reason : X]

10/2/2019 8:25:29 PM

I speak about it all the time. You just don't like what I say. Without even talking about, its only an issue because capitalism and journalism cannot coexist. Rightwing policies generally make more money.

Hack gap is a direct result of the passion gap. Republicans have values and and an agenda they are passionate about. A show like Tucker Carlson is much easier to follow because they.

a. explain a point
b. tell why its wrong
c. then provide the alternative way things should be.



They are also at an advantage by wanting to preserve the past. The natural advantage is that their ideal is known and anything new or unfamiliar can be pointed out as bad which appeals to human nature. This makes it easy for them to manufacture outrage.

How would the democrats manufacture outrage? The party motto is "we're decent, unlike republicans". This puts them in an impossible position to compete against a party that runs off of tangible, visible items such as guns, security, and abortions.

Trump's media advantage was manufactured by democrats. Democrats need the hack gap in order to exist. Take Trump as an example. If your entire platform is "wE hAvE tO sToP tRuMp", you actually depend on Trump's campaign and media coverage to pose a threat.


So blame anyone who ever said "vote democrat so the republican can't win" for the hack gap since it inevitably puts them in the drivers seat.

[Edited on October 2, 2019 at 8:59 PM. Reason : not a peep about biden on cnn abc cbs nbc etc]

10/2/2019 8:52:57 PM

Quote :

"But seriously the rightwing echo system is vast and well-organized and Democrats have ZERO idea how to deal with it. There is no equivalent anywhere to it."

it's pretty bonkers that democrats can't counter this narrative or control the discussion. trump admitted to a crime, he confirmed what the whistleblower said, hammer those points.

10/2/2019 8:55:05 PM

We’re like one news cycle away from Trump and his allies straight up calling Adam Schiff a”dirty Jew.” We already have “shifty” and “Soros picked” directly from a Trump (Junior).

The read antisemites are the squad, though

10/3/2019 7:38:16 AM

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-02/trump-s-impeachment-saga-stems-from-a-political-hit-job-gone-bad

article traces a majority of these Ukraine/China/the Bidens conspiracy theories back to some Peter Schweizer book (sequel to CLINTON CASH more or less). Its the exact playbook on how they attempted to crater Hillary.

Of course, Schweizer and his "research team" are only able to put these books together because of the Mercer family who bankrolls their "institute" (as well as bankrolling Steve Bannon, Cambridge Analytica, Brexit, Breitbart, largest individual donors in the entire 2016 Election, etc).

10/3/2019 8:38:04 AM

And, of course, it got mainstreamed because the fucking New York Times paid for exclusive excerpts from the book (Clinton Cash). Complete and utter malpractice by them but it’s been a while since they’ve been good (unlike WaPo).

[Edited on October 3, 2019 at 9:06 AM. Reason : X]

10/3/2019 9:06:13 AM

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1179767712333086721?s=21

76-d chess. Eat shit, libs.

10/3/2019 10:39:18 AM

it's not even lunch and already today trump has publicly asked both ukraine and china to investigate biden

10/3/2019 11:07:54 AM

maybe its the alex jones strategy. blow up something you already know to be false into something bigger then play the "what? im a performance artist!" card

10/3/2019 11:11:19 AM

i think it's just the keep doing the thing so people think it's normal and not completely inappropriate and illegal strategy

[Edited on October 3, 2019 at 11:16 AM. Reason : .]

10/3/2019 11:16:09 AM

this looks fake as hell. sounds fake as hell. if it's real, no wonder we lost in 2016.

[Edited on October 3, 2019 at 11:42 AM. Reason : oops extra tags]

10/3/2019 11:42:14 AM

Quote :

"i think it's just the keep doing the thing so people think it's normal and not completely inappropriate and illegal strategy"

Yep, I think so. Keep trying to normalize all the unprecedented craziness. I imagine that's why they keep sending Giuliani out (I watched him on Hannity last night... wow)

10/3/2019 11:45:51 AM

the pied piper strategy was real

10/3/2019 11:46:06 AM

Quote :

"But seriously the rightwing echo system is vast and well-organized and Democrats have ZERO idea how to deal with it. "

The only way to beat somebody playing the victim card is to just hit them with the facts.

10/3/2019 11:46:41 AM

lol wut? You have to be kidding.

Spit facts at the the wing that literally invented 'Alternative Facts'?

Christ, you're such an idiot.

10/3/2019 12:58:37 PM

I'm waiting for a candidate to bring up Trump's tiny dick. Like bring it up in ads, and in debates, and to his face. He is very proud of his misogyny, and his sexual assault, and his failed business ventures.

But he gets hella defensive when you bring up his small hands, and small dick, and being white trash.

To liken it to vidja games, those are his blinking weak spots.

10/3/2019 3:34:14 PM

His name was Marco Rubio. R.I.P.

10/3/2019 4:28:01 PM

52% of people believe asking for help from Ukraine is an abuse of power.

The law, politics, and ethics are all on the side of democrats here they just have to get competent people running the show.

10/3/2019 5:39:13 PM

52% don't mean shit; it's his disapproval rating. That just basically means that the people that disapprove with Trump think that he fucked up by asking Ukraine to do him a favor.

10/3/2019 7:25:05 PM

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_cache/files/a/4/a4a91fab-99cd-4eb9-9c6c-ec1c586494b9/621801458E982E9903839ABC7404A917.chairmen-letter-on-state-departmnent-texts-10-03-19.pdf

Quote :

" House chairs investigating Trump and Ukraine just released the full text messages that were leaked today between Kurt Volker, Gordon Sondland and Bill Taylor. They are...explosive. "

10/3/2019 11:25:21 PM

Lmao apparently Trump talked to Xi on June 18th and asked him to look into Biden AND WARREN and said he would be quiet about the hong kong protests during trade talks with China. Turns out his press conference today about China was just him trying to get out ahead of this leak. If the Warren part is true then theres no more plausible deniability about him targetting political opponents.

[Edited on October 3, 2019 at 11:39 PM. Reason : everything he does seems to be strategic]

[Edited on October 3, 2019 at 11:40 PM. Reason : this could be big if true]

10/3/2019 11:38:06 PM

^^
Just finished reading that. I’m lolling at the last message. Sonland and clearly trying to cover his ass about discussing crimes over text ha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Sondland

Sonland is deep trumpist. Makes sense he was the one helping him do the dirty work.

[Edited on October 4, 2019 at 12:02 AM. Reason : ]

10/3/2019 11:51:19 PM

“.....POTUS REALLY WANTS THE DELIVERABLE....”


Can’t wait to find out what that means.

10/4/2019 5:10:24 AM

Quote :

" everything he does seems to be strategic"

......

10/4/2019 6:45:16 AM

look at this line from the story about china:



from
Trump raised Biden with Xi in June call housed in highly secure server
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/trump-biden-call-xi-secure-server/index.html

10/4/2019 8:40:48 AM

also, wtf why are people discussing diplomatic strategy via text message? shouldn't it be assumed that adversaries are reading all of that?

10/4/2019 8:50:22 AM

does it really matter when they have so many leakers they cant identify? they might as well use dry erase boards for everything.

[Edited on October 4, 2019 at 9:03 AM. Reason : -]

10/4/2019 9:02:45 AM

Discussing ways to cheat in elections via text - fine

Hillary's emails - lock her up



Thinking of sending that link with all the texts to trump-loving relatives. Eager to see how much back-peddling they can do.

10/4/2019 9:12:28 AM

They won’t. It’s a cult.

Trumps supporters have backed his lies every step of the way as he continued to cut limb after limb out from under them.

We have now reached the inevitable conclusion of “youre god damn right I did it but I was obligated by duty to do it.”

That may work on MAGAs like Earl, but doubt it works on swing voters and normal people.

[Edited on October 4, 2019 at 9:19 AM. Reason : X]

10/4/2019 9:19:18 AM

^

Quote :

"Before the speech, audience member Tim Trebil, was asked about the Ukraine issue, said it wasn’t proven that Trump asked Ukraine to investigate Biden in the July call with that country’s president. Yet, just a few hours earlier in Washington, Trump told reporters he had asked Ukraine to probe Biden and that he wanted China to do so as well. Told that, Trebil said, “Then I believe Biden should be investigated. [Trump’s] the sitting president, and he’s looking out for the security of the country right now. If, in fact, he said that, I’m in complete support of that.”"

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-trump-villages-medicare-socialism-20191003-okymqbrs65dxtdwtrv7dk2gy5q-story.html

10/4/2019 10:03:53 AM

Quote :

"Thinking of sending that link with all the texts to trump-loving relatives. Eager to see how much back-peddling they can do."

"Just 4 in 10 Republicans say they think President Trump discussed an investigation into Democratic presidential rival Joe Biden during a phone call with Ukraine's president, despite Trump acknowledging having done so, according to a new Monmouth University poll."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/463948-poll-just-40-percent-of-republicans-say-trump-mentioned

10/4/2019 10:09:29 AM

I guess this happens all the time, but reading Sondland's bio on wikipedia...wtf is he doing as ambassador to the EU? No qualifications whatsoever. A hotelier does not an ambassador make.

10/4/2019 10:34:57 AM

Quote :

"I guess this happens all the time"

What is 'this'?

10/4/2019 11:12:16 AM

Political appointments of friends/donors that don't make any sense.

But Trump promised to fill positions around him with the best and brightest...that was one of his talents, right? Lol.

10/4/2019 12:22:05 PM

unimportant ambassadorships are sometimes given as rewards for support but ukraine isn't an unimportant position. the previous ambassador, for example, had a career in foreign service including as the deputy director of the russia desk in the state department and was a deputy chief of mission at the embassy in kiev. prior to being the ambassador to ukraine she was the ambassador to krygyztan and then armenia,

10/4/2019 12:31:53 PM

^^ you may be laughing now, but you were willing to believe he’d be “hiring the best and brightest” in the primaries

[Edited on October 4, 2019 at 12:41 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2019 12:33:55 PM

^^^ That's what I thought, but it was you so I thought I'd ask.

Yeah, normally those types of appointments are for relatively inconsequential posts, like ambassador to Tahiti or FEMA administrator.

[Edited on October 4, 2019 at 12:38 PM. Reason : Distracted by Carolyn Kennedy's ambassadorship]

10/4/2019 12:37:01 PM

They will do the same thing with obstruction too. They will just say you can't obstruct a bogus investigation. emails acidwash benghazi out.

Democrats are that guy who never talks to girls or makes a move and thinks "All I have to do is show her how much of an asshole the other guy is" and then blames everyone else when she chooses another guy.

Who the hell are these hypothetical "swing voters" who are just now finding out Trump is corrupt or just now deciding its not ok? Everyone knew Trump was corrupt before 2015 but accepted that. Hell, they knew he was a misogynistic and racist too. You still don't get it.

10/4/2019 1:06:12 PM

>i wouldn't vote for a dem candidate because trump isn't even that bad

>who doesn't know how bad trump is?

10/4/2019 1:49:57 PM

speaking of the last ambassador:
Trump Ousted Ambassador After Giuliani Claimed She Was Blocking Biden Probe
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/giuliani-trump-ambassador-ukraine

10/4/2019 2:57:40 PM

https://twitter.com/ericcolumbus/status/1180179482537336832?s=21

Lol, Ron Johnson is basically the picture perfect example of why it IS good politics for the Dems to impeach. He was twisting himself into pretzels last night and this morning to defend Trump and then when the texts were released just admitted there was a potential quid pro quo for nakedly self-interested Trump reasons.

It’s insanity to think Trump and especially GOP senators want this.

10/4/2019 2:58:17 PM

Quote :

"^^ you may be laughing now, but you were willing to believe he’d be “hiring the best and brightest” in the primaries "

Hey I admit that I was really hoping he was going to be different than what we've seen. He got my vote once. Won't happen again.

10/4/2019 2:58:37 PM

I could be misremembering, but is this the first time you’ve admitted to voting for him?

10/4/2019 3:40:56 PM

https://www.wral.com/franklin-grahams-tour-evokes-evangelical-support-for-trump/18677070/

10/4/2019 3:56:06 PM

The only other thing I want to know is how the Ukraine call jeopardized national security.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/04/767205170/trump-demands-full-house-vote-on-impeachment-before-complying-with-lawmakers
Trump offered American leaders dirt on himself if they would impeach the sitting president first. A clear quid pro quo with huge election ramifications?

Quote :

">i wouldn't vote for a dem candidate because trump isn't even that bad relative to other presidents >who doesn't know how bad trump is?"

Go on...

Trump represents an unmasked version of the same monster that has run this country as long as I know. The main difference between Trump and the other monsters is that they wore cute masks that hid their ugliness behind inspiring speeches. Trump doesn't give a fuck about optics.

You lost yourself when you confused "just as bad" with "not bad" .

10/4/2019 4:22:32 PM

>trump isn't that bad compared to other presidents
>who are these swing voters who don't recognize that he's worse than other presidents

top kek

10/4/2019 4:30:43 PM

^^I'm pretty sure that's all Trump cares about, is optics. He's put is ego before country in just about every decision he's made. How can you even say he doesn't care about the optics when every time he has a town hall he touts attendance?

10/4/2019 6:55:44 PM

And yet you were stupid enough to vote for him/defend him early on...

10/4/2019 10:18:47 PM