just got back from the game, how did Tennessee do in the 2nd round?

3/22/2013 3:52:36 PM

LOL

3/22/2013 3:52:47 PM

Exactly.

3/22/2013 3:53:25 PM

^

Trolling doesnt suit you bro.

3/22/2013 4:01:19 PM

3/22/2013 4:08:47 PM

Basically...it sucks when your athletic program is worse than State's....I mean, really bad.

Tennessee is slowly falling to the bottom of the SEC and it's going to be a rough climb to get back to the top. At least in the ACC, the top sucks, so it's not like it's a big jump to get up there. The Vols football program is in shambles.

3/23/2013 10:44:23 AM

Circles and cycles. When UT was at its relatively recent peak, say 95-05, they beat Bama 9 out of 10 years, a win over Georgia was a given and and LSU was an afterthought (unfortunately in some cases). But the years right before that, Bama dominated. Shit comes and goes. Even the most stable program over the last 20+ years, Florida with their retarded recruiting base, had a few down years under Zook and weren't really anything until Spurrier. And I think losing to Kentucky (who actually was decent at one time with Couch and hasn't always been as shitty as they are now btw) was the low point. Nowhere to go but up or stay the same.

And not sure what you are using to gauge it being worse than State... Higher attendance, worth more, more bowl games, more National Championships in football. Of course State is better in men's bball and bass fishing but that's about all I can think of... Even the UT men's bball program is worth more than State's according to Forbes

[Edited on March 23, 2013 at 11:20 AM. Reason : R]

3/23/2013 11:16:40 AM

Sounds like you're just hoping Tennessee will be good again because of "cycles." In that case, our next basketball championship is right around the corner...

Here ya go Jibbly:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-01-28/tennessee-athletics-department-debt-200-million-sec-derek-dooley-dave-hart

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"Its enormity is a testament to the sport’s incredible growth during the past two decades and the power of the Tennessee brand. It also effectively conceals an athletic department that built enormous debt while trying to maintain its place among the richest and most powerful football programs in the Southeastern Conference. "

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"Now, after staggering to losing football seasons in four of the last five years and seeing attendance drop to levels last seen in the 1970s, the Vols find themselves mired in more than $200 million of debt, the most in the SEC, with reserves of just $1.95 million, the least in the conference. "

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"These days, however, Tennessee football has lapsed into irrelevance. Only a season-finale win over hapless Kentucky enabled the Vols to avoid a winless 2012 SEC season. .... Attendance dropped to an average of 89,965 in 2012, the lowest since 1979. A couple of late-season games against Troy and Kentucky reportedly drew about 60,000 actual fans in the stands, even though the announced attendance—or tickets sold—was a little more than 81,000. "

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/feb/10/tennessee-athletic-department-wrestling-with-in/

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"Donations to the University of Tennessee athletic department, and the number of people who gifted that money, fell by more than 25 percent in 2012."

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"In the last two years, UT has lost — or fired — the head coach of its four marquee programs: football, men's basketball, women's basketball and baseball. Hamilton stepped down amid program turmoil."

I mean...Butch Jones has to work out. You've gotta be nervous...right??

3/23/2013 11:47:18 AM

Well yeah, i mean, i guess one could think that they will never ever win a game for the next 100 years, but all teams go through cycles, including UT in the past. And Bama, and LSU, and Florida, and ND, and USC (went through one of the longest, they were basically shit for most of my childhood) so there's no reason to think that UT will be some random, odd, one of a kind exception.

And everyone made a big deal of that debt article, but Alabama and LSU were in similar debt the year before, all just financing shit and the way things are structured, mainly due to major stadium construction. http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/dollars/post/_/id/2837/vols-financially-strapped-but-not-alone

And of course attendance is low, that's a by product of a down swing right after a particularly good period. You are confusing symptoms with the overall cause... "Attendance and income are lower, therefore the program will never be good again" but its more like "attendance and income are lower because the program is not currently doing as well as the were previously"

[Edited on March 23, 2013 at 11:59 AM. Reason : D]

3/23/2013 11:56:20 AM

But both of those teams have stability.

Your team doesn't. So right now, your team is STILL on the downward slope in a conference that is ridiculously tough to break back into the top.

3/23/2013 12:00:21 PM

If anything it shows that even If you are at the peak, you can still be in debt due to the way financing schedules work out so year to year debt really doesn't matter when it comes to being an indication of the health of a program.

Plus, college football wasnt started in 2011, and I don't have the financial records of every university for every year, but those programs could have also had similar periods of debt when they were doing bad in the field and they are fine now...

The money is the least of my worries. Get a defense that can stop a child and the money will work out just fine.

3/23/2013 12:15:45 PM

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"Plus, college football wasnt started in 2011"

It wasn't...but you can't deny that the college football is a completely different animal than it was 15 or 20 years ago. Megaconferences, $5 million dollar coaches, coaches getting fired just a few years after winning national championships (Auburn), coaches on hot seats with multiple ten win seasons and conference championships (Richt), etc.

Your "cycle" might have been disrupted or gotten a lot longer.

3/23/2013 2:40:02 PM

Maybe. We will see. But I bet 20 years ago people were saying "it's not like it was 20 years ago with coaches making $1 million dollars now, national ESPN coverage, highlights of every game seen every week, something called the internet rhat is supposed to be coming soon, etc.

3/23/2013 2:47:11 PM

Message boards have fucked up everything. Herb Sendek would still be here if not for Statefansnation.com

3/23/2013 3:07:39 PM

http://m.johnsoncitypress.com/News/Local/article.php?id=105938

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"EAST TENNESSEE STATE"

[Edited on April 2, 2013 at 9:35 PM. Reason : ]

4/2/2013 9:34:19 PM

BTTT

4/9/2013 5:25:14 PM

4/16/2013 8:54:25 PM

It's no longer 2012

4/16/2013 10:24:26 PM