his last concussion was last October, right?

8/28/2012 10:56:42 PM

he still may not be cleared by doctors

as a lifelong Detroit fan, honestly it wouldnt shock me if he retires

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 12:01 AM. Reason : c]

8/29/2012 12:01:19 AM

I'll probably drop him then

8/29/2012 7:13:35 AM

I'm going with Kevin Smith as one of my starters. Went with the wait on RB's strategy and ended up with Smith and Doug Martin as my two top backs. Could be risky.

Had someone propose Gore and Heath Miller to me for Greg Olsen (my backup TE to Gates). But I really don't know if I want to upgrade my RB's with Gore? Anyone really high on Gore this year?

8/29/2012 7:32:08 AM

Are those your only two backs? I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. Granted I'm not very high on Gore, but you need depth and giving up only Olsen is a steal.

8/29/2012 8:18:05 AM

so is MJD going to play or what?

I spent a mid round pick on him, but was able to handcuff Ben Tate to Foster and get Doug Martin in late rounds. if MJD plays i'll feel really good

8/29/2012 8:24:06 AM

^^ Not my only two backs, but my starters. I've got Issac Redman, CJ Spiller, Toby Gerhart, and David Wilson - so yea, I need a RB upgrade.

Maybe I'm just being a Panthers homer, but I think Olsen is going to have a big year and Heath Miller hasn't been good in two years and I doubt that changes now so if Gates goes down I'm screwed. Not to mention there are 4 RB's on the roster in SF right now to compete with Gore.

^ I think MJD will play at some point, but based on all the stats, he won't have a good season. Only Emmitt Smith has come back from holding out and ended up having a really good season. Not to mention the Jags offense is probably going to be horrible.

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 9:19 AM. Reason : asdfas]

8/29/2012 9:07:43 AM

Gore is a much safer bet than either of your two starters, a pretty big upgrade imo. Miller is garbage as a fantasy TE, but if it's trading backups, I wouldn't worry too much. I'm sure you can pick up a free agent who will be better than him.

If all you are losing is olsen I would accept that trade as fast as possible.

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 9:16 AM. Reason : Gore is still the unquestioned #1. Getting a starting RB for a backup TE is a no brainer]

8/29/2012 9:11:47 AM

Any thoughts on this trade that I was offered would be welcome:

I get: AP, Mike Wallace, Pierre Thomas, Toby Gerhart, Santonio Holmes

I give: Roddy White, MJD, David Wilson

I'm not that big on Thomas or Holmes. But I'm also not all that big on MJD either. I like Roddy White a lot. I'm not as big on Mike Wallace this season, although he should still have a great year...

Here's my team for reference.

QB: Eli, RG3
RB: Rice, MJD, David Wilson, Beanie Wells
WR: Roddy White, Marques Colston, Brandon Lloyd, Reggie Wayne, Michael Crabtree, Mike Williams
TE: Tony Gonzalez

.5 PPR league, start 2 RBs, 3 WRs. No flex position.

I'd love to upgrade at QB, but I he's got Brady and I don't expect him to trade Brady.

8/29/2012 9:34:11 AM

^ Could end up working out really well, but I think it's high risk/reward. I don't trust AP, I think Holmes will be garbage with the Jets offense situation, and Pierre is splitting carries with a lot of backs.

I'm high on Roddy White, and I really like David Wilson, I own both in my league.

8/29/2012 9:49:41 AM

And I'd have to end up dropping two guys to keep my roster at 15. I'm with you, I really don't like Holmes at all. Thomas is a big question mark. Gerhart is nice to have if/when AP has to sit out.

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 10:10 AM. Reason : Spelling]

8/29/2012 10:10:01 AM

I picked up 3 QB's in the draft by accident, got Schaub and RWilson as my backups to Brady. Gotta drop one of the QB's to make room for a DEF player, anyone think I should keep RWilson over Schaub? Lots of upside with Wilson, but he's got a pretty crappy group of WR's.

8/29/2012 10:38:15 AM

Can you trade him? that seems like the logical thing.

my draft is tonight...theres a guy willing to trade his first round draft spot(we wont know what # picks till an hour before) for a 2nd and 4th.

its a 6 td passing league.

is it worth that trade? 2 first rounds in return for no second and 4th?

8/29/2012 11:47:11 AM

My theory on 6 pt TD passing leagues is that it really only becomes a difference maker if you play 2 QBs. Other than that, the difference between top tier QBs & middle round QBs still isn't as large as the dropoff between top tier RBs & middle round QBs

As for your trade, it depends on if you want to gamble. I'd probably roll the dice with it, personally

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 12:11 PM. Reason : A]

8/29/2012 12:10:53 PM

^^ I proposed trading RWilson for Percy Harvin, doubt he's going to go for that.

I think I'd take that trade as well. Just risky considering you don't know which spots in the first you'll have yet. But even if you end up with two late first round picks, you'll still likely land Brady/Rogers/Brees and then be able to grab a top tier RB/WR too.

8/29/2012 12:27:16 PM

id trade schaub rather than russell

you'll get a lot more for schaub (who is overrated)

8/29/2012 12:28:49 PM

was he overrated when you traded half your team for him 3 years ago? AHAHA

8/29/2012 12:31:40 PM

I don't think Schaub is overrated. Most listings I've seen have him as the 12th to 15th best QB. I haven't seen him ranked in the top 10 anywhere. I just don't know if RWilson will keep up the hype once the 1st team defense is on him for a whole game.

Brady is my starter, Schaub is just my backup.

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM. Reason : asdfasdfsa]

8/29/2012 12:40:12 PM

1st, you have me confused with someone else

2nd, in 2010 i traded Schaub, malcolm floyd and deon branch for drew brees i definitely thought schaub was overrated as well


^ if about 175-200 passing yards with 0-1 TDs and 0-1 INT's and the above average injury prone factor gets you excited then Schaub will be your guy this year



[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 12:46 PM. Reason : v]

8/29/2012 12:44:46 PM

I think i may do the trade. Its only a 10 person league so there will still be depth...and I get 2 first rounds and a 3rd. hopefully he has a top 4 pick and I could trade to land Rogers/Brees/Brady then pick up an elite RB

the WR pool is deep this year. I could also draft 2/3 of those QBs and use them as trade bait for a good RB.

I like the possibilities of having two first round choices.

8/29/2012 12:53:12 PM

i wouldnt draft the 2 Qb's there, why not just take the rb that you want to trade for

8/29/2012 2:09:36 PM

Just had the draft order given/set.

He has the 2nd pic out of 10, I have the 6th. Im pretty positive im making the swap now.

That could land me Rogers and a Johnson or McFadden. I think i may take Rogers with that 2nd pick.

Or should i take an elite RB and then see if Brees/Brady/Rogers are left at 6?

8/29/2012 2:14:59 PM

I'd definitely do the trade if I was you. At 6, Rodgers will likely be gone. But you should still be able to get Brady or Brees. I guess it depends on how much you value Rodgers.

If it were me, I'd probably take an RB (Rice, probably) with the #2 and then hope for Brees, Brady with the 6th. If you don't get either of them, then Run DMC, Chris Johnson, Calvin Johnson would all be available.

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 2:22 PM. Reason : More]

8/29/2012 2:19:05 PM

assuming Foster goes 1st

you'd be able two get 2 of the following: Rice/McCoy/Megatron/McFadden/CJ2K/Brady/Brees/Rodgers

if your league drafts QB-heavy, i'd try to get Mega at 6

8/29/2012 2:19:53 PM

Yeah, id say thats worth the 2nd and 4th round picks

8/29/2012 2:26:29 PM

Who do you guys value more this year...MJD or AP?

I know MJD is definitely getting drafted higher than AP. But MJD is holding out...could he be this season's Chris Johnson? AP's injuries are his biggest question mark.

8/29/2012 4:11:02 PM

hmmm I could swear that trade with Lee was like 4 players to him for Schaub

8/29/2012 4:19:19 PM

So my trade got vetoed. I thought it was fair, he gets Greg Olsen, I get Gore and Heath Miller. He needed a better TE and I needed RB depth.

Am I being unreasonable here by demanding to know who vetoed this trade and why?

8/30/2012 6:55:51 AM

I don't get that. Heath miller is someone you might even end up dropping and I think Olsen could have a big year.

It's basically gore for Olsen and i think it's a good deal for you but not insane. I'd be pissed.

8/30/2012 7:50:21 AM

Per ESPN.com
OR = Overall Rank
PR = Positional Rank
ADP = Average Draft Position
PP = Projected Points

Frank Gore - OR = 35, PR = 15, ADP = 36.5, PP = 177
Heath Miller - OR = Outside top 200, PR = 22, ADP 170.0, PP = 60

vs.

Greg Olsen - OR = 140, PR = 14, ADP = 133.3, PP = 82

While their positional rankings are relatively close, the overall value of a RB vs. a TE is so big that whoever vetoed it sees it as largely imbalanced. The average draft position is proof of this. Also projected points are too far apart for some people to view it as balanced. I'm not saying that I agree with the veto, I'm just saying I understand some of the rationale.

[Edited on August 30, 2012 at 8:53 AM. Reason : Projected points]

8/30/2012 8:50:46 AM

Drop Daniel Thomas for Doug Baldwin in 12 team 0.4 PPR league?

Can start 2 WR, 2 RB, 1 WR/TE, 1 WR/RB. So can start a max of 3 RBs & max of 4 WRs.

RBs: Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson, Darren Sproles, Stevan Ridley, Daniel Thomas
WRs: Andre Johnson, Antonio Brown, Jeremy Maclin, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Jon Baldwin

I'm thinking I should since DThomas hasn't had good reviews in preseason so far. What you say?

Also, I have Jake Locker as a backup to Rivers. Carson Palmer is available, but I like the upside to Locker. Stick with Locker or pick up Palmer?

8/30/2012 8:58:46 AM

^^ I think it's Week 1, those stats are tough to rely on. If it were close to playoffs I could see the concern over the imbalance, but this early who knows what Gore/Olsen actually ends up doing.

^ I drafted D. Thomas and then ended up dropping him this week bc I play in a league with individual defensive players (not happy about that...) and I had to make room. I think the whole MIA offense is going to be pretty bad this year so at this point the odds are in your favor with Baldwin.

8/30/2012 9:09:31 AM

Would you trade Witten for Colston? I have Jimmy Graham.

8/30/2012 9:12:14 AM

GoldieO - I see your point, but there is such a huge gap between what experts are projecting them to do, I can see the veto being done. If Olsen was projected within 30-40 points of Gore, then I think you'd have had a different result in the trade attempt. Or if you tossed in a 2nd player, say a WR like Dez Bryant, that is somewhere near the value of Gore... then I could see it going through.

I can't see a commish vetoing

Olsen + Bryant for Miller + Gore. You're giving up a WR with upside but off the field issues + your backup TE for an upgraded RB + less valuable backup TE.

Who do you have at WR? I'd try to lowball a WR back with Olsen for Gore + Miller and see if you can push it though. Lowball it with a Steve Johnson, Torrey Smith, Jeremy Maclin level guy and see if you can push it through.

8/30/2012 9:20:52 AM

It's a .5 PPR. I have Roddy White/Torrey Smith/Desean Jackson/Greg Little/Davone Bess

I'm thinking the commish vetoed the trade bc he wants me to trade with him. I shot down two of his insane trade offers already, but after that Gore/Olsen trade was vetoed he sent me DeMarco Murray/Ryan Williams/Demaryius Thomas for RWilson/Roddy White/Doug Martin. I need to upgrade RB but ain't giving up Roddy White so I countered with RWilson/Doug Martin for Demarco. We'll see if he takes it.

8/30/2012 9:30:30 AM

If your commish is vetoing trades for his own gain, then you need to man up and stop that shit. Or quit. Because that is bullshit.

But I'm of the opinion that you only veto trades if you suspect cheating or collusion, and apparently everyone else that plays fantasy thinks the veto button is part of strategy, so what do I know.

Had my 10 team ESPN standard scoring keeper league draft last night, and I wound up with both Maclin and Desean Jackson. What do you guys think of a situation like that? Here are my Wr's:

Wr1: Welker
Wr2: Maclin
Wr3: Jackson
Bench: Reggie Wayne, Sidney Rice, TB Mike Williams

8/30/2012 9:39:40 AM

In my defense, I gave up fantasy last year and this is a league at my wife's new office that she signed me up for so I don't actually know any of the people in the league myself. But you can best believe I posted a stern message on the league message board demanding to know who vetoed the trade and why. I even used a lot of emoticons like and

^ I like Desean more than Maclin this year and I'm always wary of having two starting WR's from the same team. But what do I know, I drafted Greg Little.

[Edited on August 30, 2012 at 9:51 AM. Reason : asdfasd]

8/30/2012 9:50:23 AM

I generally steer clear of 2 WRs from the same team. What's good about it is, you're probably getting the same # of total points from the 2 combined every week. What's bad is... if Philly goes up against a team that's great against the pass, or if their QBs all get hurt or something... then you're up the creek.

I look at fantasy football like playing the stock market. You're generally safer if you diversify. However, sometimes to hit it big you take a gamble. I hope it works out in your favor!

8/30/2012 10:10:38 AM

Quote :

" Am I being unreasonable here by demanding to know who vetoed this trade and why?"

You're getting the better end of the deal imo, but nothing worth vetoing. vetoing is stupid imo.

Quote :

"Would you trade Witten for Colston? I have Jimmy Graham "

Yes, I would.

8/30/2012 10:17:30 AM

Quote :

"Or if you tossed in a 2nd player, say a WR like Dez Bryant"

"tossing in" Bryant completely kills the value for him in the trade. Bryant could easily be a top 7 WR.

8/30/2012 11:51:43 AM

haha, looks like I started something by calling out the trade veto. Some guy just posted a message saying he wants out of the league and wants his money back. Maybe I won't be contributing to the fantasy thread this season after all.

[Edited on August 30, 2012 at 12:20 PM. Reason : asfasd]

8/30/2012 12:20:31 PM

Guy in our league is looking for RBs & TEs. His only TE is Jared Cook. I have Olsen & Gresham. He has Nate Washington & Justin Blackmon as 3rd & 4th WRs. Do you think any of those guys be worth dealing for? (If you wanna know my WRs, look a few posts up )

8/30/2012 12:53:21 PM

^ No. You managed to collect a decent group of WR's. Blackmon has looked good in preseason, has some good upside, but doesn't look like you need another WR. Unless you have Graham/Gates/Gronk and maybe Hernandez, I say you play the waiver wire with TE's this year for the most part. But I am still high on Olsen based on his targets in preseason.

8/30/2012 1:23:10 PM

Quote :

""tossing in" Bryant completely kills the value for him in the trade. Bryant could easily be a top 7 WR."

He could be... or he could be the 30th best WR... or he could get cut for violating team rules. Frank Gore could be a top 10 RB in an ideal world where he doesn't get hurt and Alex Smith learns how to hit a WR with regularity.

My point wasn't about Bryant specifically. It was that he has to bring the trade values more in line with both sides getting some semblance of equal benefit. Gore + Miller for Olsen is no where near equal value if both are at their historical performance levels. He can still put together a deal that appears more balanced while still getting the better end of the deal. Tossing in a midlevel player at another position or a high upside high risk guy is an easy way to even the appearance of the value.

8/30/2012 1:33:03 PM

Olsen and Gresham are both solid TEs, I'd keep them both and play them week to week based on matchup

8/30/2012 1:53:06 PM

Speaking of Olsen, was thinking about offering Denarious Moore for Olsen (my only TE is Jared Cook). His other options as the 3rd WR are Michael Crabtree and Greg Little. Thoughts?

8/30/2012 2:18:57 PM

You can try, but I think it'd be hard to deal Moore since he has an injury. If you offered Moore to me, I would turn it down. Of course this depends if Olsen is his 2nd TE and how much the other guy values him. Who are your other WRs?

8/30/2012 2:23:57 PM

My other WRs are AJ Green, Steve Smith (car), Vincent Jackson, and Malcolm Floyd. His other TE is Jermichael Finley.

8/30/2012 2:24:47 PM

Keeper league advice:

$200 salary cap.

Below is what I paid for them last year. First year you keep them add $10 to the salary. So, definitely keeping Jordy Nelson and AJ Green. Should I keep Cam at $30 this year as well or use the savings on the WRs and overpay a bit for an Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees?

QB Cam Newton $20

RB/WR
WR Jordy Nelson $1
WR A.J. Green $10

[Edited on August 30, 2012 at 2:38 PM. Reason : .]

8/30/2012 2:34:55 PM

Newton is going for around 30 in most 10 team, standard auctions, so why not?

8/30/2012 2:38:53 PM