^real racist

3/9/2012 1:12:01 PM

I've just decided that wdprice's behavior is suspicious

3/9/2012 1:13:03 PM

haha, come hug me, seth. come hug me.

3/9/2012 1:13:31 PM

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3/9/2012 1:16:26 PM

I'm going to go follow someone slowly in a truck, then start a fight with him.

And if I lose this fight against a 140 pound teenager, I'm going to blow his head off.

3/9/2012 1:16:50 PM

^assumptions galore!

3/9/2012 1:17:50 PM

Then she threw her titties in my hand. It was weird, your honor.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 1:20 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 1:20:30 PM

March 9, 2012

The day TWW turned into GOLO

3/9/2012 1:22:34 PM

too many concealed carriers view themselves as a secondary police force, just itching for the chance to "defend" themselves. it's a power thing. an especially paranoid gun owner might manufacture a dangerous situation out of nothing

i don't disagree with the right to own guns though

3/9/2012 1:26:52 PM

^While I have no doubt that's the case for some CCH Permit holders, I hardly think that's the case for the vast majority.

I haven't met one permit holder that wants that chance. It's a dumb hope that may get you killed or put in jail.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 1:28 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 1:28:15 PM

didn't say majority. this guy clearly was, though

3/9/2012 1:31:20 PM

Quote :

"^While I have no doubt that's the case for some CCH Permit holders, I hardly think that's the case for the vast majority. I haven't met one permit holder that wants that chance. It's a dumb hope that may get you killed or put in jail."

Don't lie. You've already told us that you like to follow suspicious looking darkies at night slowly in your truck, truck nuts swinging gracefully from your tail hitch, with a sticker of a rebel flag flapping majestically in the wind right next to your sticker of Calvin peeing on the logo of another truck company.

Just waiting for a chance to rid the country of one of them.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2012 1:33:54 PM

^^he may have been/some of the details sort of point to that. but none of us know him or his personality, so it's hard to say. did he take his community watch role too seriously? was he just trying to be a good neighborhood citizen and approached what he perceived as a suspicious person in his neighborhood, ended up in a fight, then used lethal force to stop it?


^racism at its finest. I never said anything about following a person of a certain race; I never said how often/how many times, I don't have truck nuts, I don't own a single rebel flag, sticker, etc, and I don't have a peeing character sticker. Further, wanting a chance to kill someone is psychotic. GOOD TRY THOUGH. you're just spouting typical liberal rhetoric. come up with something useful.



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[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 1:35:43 PM

And why did he have reason to be suspicious?

3/9/2012 1:38:26 PM

^not yet known

3/9/2012 1:39:03 PM

What are the requirements for deadly force in Florida? Can you use deadly force to defend property, or only life?

3/9/2012 1:40:12 PM

I'd assume life & commission of a felony for FL, though I've never looked it up... but for some reason, I recall those being the justifications.

3/9/2012 1:41:10 PM

He was walking back alone, from a convenience store. What could possibly be suspicious about that? If there was a good reason, we would have heard about it already.

3/9/2012 1:41:57 PM

See, people like wdprice3 have a rather simplistic view. They know that racism = bad. And since they think they're a good person, therefore they can't possibly be racist. Therefore since they hate liberals, THEY are the REAL RACISTS.

3/9/2012 1:43:38 PM

^^I hope we find out.

^wat. It seems like all you have is: this guy doesn't side with [insert non-white race] so he must be a racist!

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 1:46 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 1:44:04 PM

So, in your opinion, where should the benefit of the doubt lie in this case? 17 year old kid walking back from the convenience store, unarmed, or 26 year old with a gun who tailed him, despite 911's recommendation to back off?

3/9/2012 1:46:51 PM

Unless Martin was actually doing something when approached by Zimmerman, I have a hard time with self-defense.

3/9/2012 1:47:07 PM

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"I can see why wdprice3 would side with the killer. birds of a feather and all that."

3/9/2012 1:47:53 PM

^^^innocent until proven guilty?

^so if this investigation turns out to say the this guy just asked the kid where he lived/what he was doing, then the kid attacked him... what will you say then?

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3/9/2012 1:47:59 PM

I'm sorry, I mistook this thread for a discussion. I did not realize TWW was a court of law.

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3/9/2012 1:48:53 PM

^^^^ Well duh, the kid hasn't said anything about it. Silence is proof of guilt!

^^ Tell that to the kid.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2012 1:49:00 PM

The guy who sides with the white adult who shot an unarmed black kid after being told by the police not to confront him and saying "they always get away" is a racist, yes.

3/9/2012 1:50:58 PM

He probably thought the guy was about to grab him and throw him in the truck to rape and kidnap him

3/9/2012 1:51:29 PM

^^unarmed is irrelevant. he didn't talk to the cops, he talked to the 911 operator.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 1:51 PM. Reason : ^]

3/9/2012 1:51:33 PM

^^^
Hey man, innocent until proven guilty. Doesn't matter if he had no reason to follow the kid and ended up killing him.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 1:52:34 PM

well, if there's no evidence pointing to the guy just shooting a kid walking down the street, then how do you charge him?

3/9/2012 1:53:33 PM

hey, let's keep calling each other names and perpetuating stereotypes

3/9/2012 1:54:18 PM

Here's the thing.

Even if the kid was casing the neighborhood. Even if the kid had just stolen everyone's skittles and was wheeling them in a wheelbarrow out of the neighborhood. The point was that he was not a direct threat to the man in his house/car/whatever. He was not threatening him. He was not doing anything to him. The man instigated the confrontation. And that is not self-defense. He was in no danger until he intentionally put himself in danger.

3/9/2012 1:54:29 PM

^I don't believe that's what the law says. The problematic confrontation begins with physical contact, not approaching someone and asking them questions. I assume for now that the evidence points to the kid starting the confrontation. It's irrelevant that the guy approached the kid to ask him questions. That is not illegal nor a threat. Assuming the kid started the physical confrontation, this guy may very well be in his right to use lethal force. If the guy started the physical confrontation/tried to physically detain him, then self defense is out the window.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 1:56:07 PM

I assume you'd say the same thing if a White kid took a shortcut through a Black neighborhood and was shot to death, right?

3/9/2012 1:57:30 PM

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" Even if the kid had just stolen everyone's skittles and was wheeling them in a wheelbarrow out of the neighborhood"

lol

3/9/2012 1:57:35 PM

^^why wouldn't I? if everything in the story was the same is it is in this one (for as much as we now know), then yes.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 1:58 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 1:57:56 PM

It's okay, just admit you're afraid and threatened by minorities. Then the healing process can begin.

3/9/2012 1:59:00 PM

My main thing is, why did he interact with the kid after he was told that police were on their way and it was clear he wasn't a direct threat to him before the confrontation?

3/9/2012 1:59:33 PM

haha, yeh, I'm shaking in my boots whenever I see a minority.



That's all you have. Call the opposition racist.

^if I recall correctly, the guy did not approach the kid until the kid confronted him. I'll re-read to make sure of that.


[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 1:59:48 PM

Quote :

"I assume you'd say the same thing if a White kid took a shortcut through a Black neighborhood and was shot to death, right? "

If this were the case wdprice would be in here compelling everyone to conceal carry everywhere*


*I myself hold a CCHP

3/9/2012 2:02:53 PM

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"so are people itt saying that if you see someone suspicious in your neighborhood you should turn a blind eye and hope its nothing?"

ITT ThePeter thinks being black is suspicious.


The difference between here and webslueths is that tww leans towards what would be most probable. Sure both sides of the argument in this story are conjecture but one line of thought is a much more likely occurrence than the other, regardless if the police can prove it or not.

3/9/2012 2:06:02 PM

Quote :

" ^if I recall correctly, the guy did not approach the kid until the kid confronted him. I"

3/9/2012 2:07:04 PM

Quote :

"Here's the thing. Even if the kid was casing the neighborhood. Even if the kid had just stolen everyone's skittles and was wheeling them in a wheelbarrow out of the neighborhood. The point was that he was not a direct threat to the man in his house/car/whatever. He was not threatening him. He was not doing anything to him. The man instigated the confrontation. And that is not self-defense. He was in no danger until he intentionally put himself in danger."

Here's the thing. Even if the kid knew the guy had a gun and tried to take it away from him...
There is no possibility whatsoever that this guy was acting in a legal manner and found his own life threatened. That has never happened to anyone, anywhere.

And note...I haven't defended anyone on either side. I'm just pointing out the possibility that there may be more to the story than certain folks would ever tell you because it doesn't fit their agenda.

Quote :

"The chief said the police have met with Zimmerman on two to three separate occasions, and that their investigation should be wrapped up this week. He said all of the evidence in the case will be delivered to the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office soon after. “We’re going to present all the information and if they feel that based on all of the evidence that we’re able to produce that Mr. Zimmerman has satisfied the requirement that he shot in self defense, they may, but if not, he would be charged with some type of homicide or manslaughter,” Lee said."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/08/family-of-trayvon-martin-_n_1332756.html

Heaven forbid the police do their due diligence.
Don't they know that God and settledown are calling for this guy's head???


[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 2:10 PM. Reason : o]

3/9/2012 2:08:19 PM

^^what? that's what the story said wasn't it?

that's how it reads: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/08/family-of-trayvon-martin-_n_1332756.html#s766193

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 2:16 PM. Reason : ,]

3/9/2012 2:11:16 PM

Quote :

"Chief Bill Lee of the Sanford Police Department on Thursday evening said the account given by Martin’s family and attorney is correct, that Zimmerman saw the young man walking home from the store. He said that Zimmerman did indeed call 911 and report a suspicious person, and that he was told not to follow him. “For some reason he felt that Trayvon, the way that he was walking or appeared seemed suspicious to him,” Lee said. “He called this in and at one part of this initial call [the dispatcher] recommends him not to follow Trayvon. A police officer is on the way at that point.” Lee said that Zimmerman instead followed Martin. “I believe that Mr. Zimmerman was trying to, by his account, find an address to give the officers and also trying to keep Trayvon in eyesight.” Zimmerman told the police that Martin noticed that he was being followed and asked, “what’s your problem?” That's when a physical confrontation ensued, Lee said. And moments later, Martin was shot."

That's where Zimmerman failed.

3/9/2012 2:11:34 PM

^911 operators have no legal authority. following the guy is not breaking the law. now, when he gets out and the fight begins is where things matter.

3/9/2012 2:17:11 PM

I don't like people following me

am I acting suspicious?

3/9/2012 2:18:24 PM

911 dispatchers are not LEOs or Lawyers.

They have no authority. Even if they did I'm sure the advice was for his own safety; not because following the kid would have been illegal in any way.

Way to spin it though.

You might as well take your legal advice from the cashier at Food Lion.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 2:18 PM. Reason : l]

3/9/2012 2:18:32 PM

^this

3/9/2012 2:18:49 PM