[Edited on May 10, 2011 at 12:40 AM. Reason : no trolling allowed son]
5/10/2011 12:39:50 AM
this reads like textual tourettes.
5/10/2011 10:03:57 AM
5/10/2011 11:48:17 AM
^qntmfred already suspended one person for shit-posting in this thread.Going to recap where we were at before rbrthwrd went crazyNIST's Nov. 2008 report: http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdfCriticism of NIST's report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V0WQFztLygUnanswered questions I have regarding the report:
5/10/2011 12:08:48 PM
So did the NIST assassinate Barry Jennings to silence him?]
5/10/2011 12:28:58 PM
^I wasn't aware of the Kader Toy Factory. So the claim that it's the first time a steel-framed high-rised building has collapsed due to fire is false. Thank you.
5/10/2011 1:10:23 PM
[Edited on May 10, 2011 at 1:36 PM. Reason : - never mind ]
5/10/2011 1:31:48 PM
Dylan Avery speaking about the private investigator that was hired to investigate Jennings' death:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1dl0mC8Omo&feature=player_detailpage#t=1779sWhat the PI said:
5/10/2011 2:05:38 PM
Hopefully you're aware that Dylan Avery is laughing all the way to the bank over this 9/11 thing.So is the private investigator part of the conspiracy as well?
5/10/2011 2:46:08 PM
5/10/2011 3:04:28 PM
Yes, explain it. You're the one trying to build a case here.
5/10/2011 3:11:17 PM
^Okay. Three scenarios:a) Some government or law enforcement entity asked him to stand down.b) Someone threatened him with physical harm.c) He determined in some other manner that following through with the investigation would mean risking his PI license.[Edited on May 10, 2011 at 3:24 PM. Reason : v beat you!]
5/10/2011 3:23:55 PM
5/10/2011 3:24:15 PM
^Maybe. You'd think he would mention that in the phone call, though.So I've given theories for every question you guys have asked me. Can someone give me a theory as to why NIST has refused to release their WTC 7 raw data?
5/10/2011 3:30:07 PM
Considering that the phone call was being described by someone with a financial interest in promoting 9/11 conspiracies, it's also very likely that the PI said "I couldn't figure anything out. I'll refund your card. Maybe the police can tell you something" and Dylan Avery just tacked on the rest to make it interesting.
5/10/2011 3:36:14 PM
this shit again? just read the damn Salisburybot thread regarding 9/11 and you will get all your answers. anyone for some cheese?
5/10/2011 3:40:50 PM
^Oh my bad! Brb while I go read through 58 pages of salisburyboy rambling about Jews and the NWO. Nevermind the fact that a lot of the information we're discussing wasn't even available before 2008.
5/10/2011 3:51:30 PM
Question..if it wasn't the impact of the collapsing main WTC + fire that brought down WTC7, what was it?Controlled Demolition? Exactly how much work would it take to bring down WTC7 with explosives? How many thousands of pounds of explosives would need to be hauled in? How many thousands of fuse lines and ignition devices would need to be rigged? How many walls would need to be cut open? And how would any of this happen without any of the tens of thousands of people working in the WTC noticing? What kind of timeframe would such an operation take?Question the NIST report all you'd like. Until you can reconcile this I'm going with structural damage + fire caused by collapsing towers nearby from the impact of two jetliners hijacked by terrorists.[Edited on May 10, 2011 at 4:16 PM. Reason : .]
5/10/2011 4:14:10 PM
5/10/2011 4:35:40 PM
How many god damned handymen would it take? How long? Give me some actual numbers here, otherwise I'm unconvinced.The project to demolish a building of that mass would take weeks and TEAMS of handymen, at least! Thousands of pounds of thermite would need to be placed and rigged.Also, you don't get to complain about peer review and cite something published in the "Bentham Open Journal".[Edited on May 10, 2011 at 4:41 PM. Reason : .]
5/10/2011 4:40:59 PM
5/10/2011 4:49:24 PM
5/10/2011 4:51:18 PM
In addition to all of the above, go on to you tube and find any video with audio of a demolition. Notice how loud the explosion is? One would think more people would remember such a loud explosion immediately before the collapse of the building.
5/10/2011 9:08:00 PM
LOL at any idiot (assuming you are not some alias troll) who thinks it was some kind of secret controlled demolition
5/11/2011 12:20:18 AM
5/11/2011 8:15:33 AM
Well, if it wasn't a controlled demolition, what controversy is there? Did the government purposefully collapse WTC 1 and 2 in a way that would make WTC 7 fall hours later?
5/11/2011 9:07:04 AM
5/11/2011 9:08:54 AM
I'm done debunking every crackpot theory you come across on google.
5/11/2011 11:13:41 AM
The "crackpot" accusations are pathetic and dismissive. While I'm not claiming it to be true, the WTC 7 demolition theory has not been debunked and can not be debunked without a proper investigation.I tried to be nice, but since you're continuing to call me a crackpot, I'm going to come out and say that the shit you are posting is pretty fucking dumb. Namely:
5/11/2011 11:17:09 AM
5/11/2011 12:08:39 PM
^^ My biggest problem is that to pull of a hoax of that magnitude think of how many people would have to be involved and complicit. At some point I would think one of the people would whistle blow.
5/11/2011 12:19:38 PM
^^Please note that one person has already been suspended for non-contribution. If you have no arguments, ignore the thread.[Edited on May 11, 2011 at 12:22 PM. Reason : .]
5/11/2011 12:21:18 PM
5/11/2011 12:42:18 PM
5/11/2011 12:48:01 PM
As I said, I'm dropping the controlled demolition theory, because I don't think there's enough evidence. There are still serious questions about the WTC 7 collapse, but I'm not interested in trying to form complex theories based on conjecture.I have other topics I'd like to discuss, but I'm at work right now and need to research more this evening.
5/11/2011 1:04:57 PM
5/11/2011 1:16:32 PM
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
5/11/2011 1:16:40 PM
I've already linked that specific web page in this thread. If he didn't read/trust it before he's not going to read/trust it now.
5/11/2011 1:18:18 PM
^I did read it and it does make sense. Why do you continue to assume I'm ignoring evidence?As I said, at this point, the only confusion I have regarding WTC 7 is the NIST report and Barry Jennings's testimony that the stairwell he was in exploded before WTC 1's collapse. I realize this is not conclusive evidence, but it is not unreasonable to remain skeptical because of it.
5/11/2011 1:29:05 PM
A whole lot of people worked in that building. Why is Barry Jennings the only one to report an explosion before the collapse? Explosions are loud, violent actions that everyone in the building would be aware of.
5/11/2011 1:30:59 PM
^He and Michael Hess were the only two people left in the building at that point, and they both claimed to hear explosions.
5/11/2011 1:33:01 PM
So there were only two people in the entire building? Can you prove this?Barry heard an explosion and then several hours later the building collapsed? That's not how demolition works.
5/11/2011 1:44:11 PM
5/11/2011 1:55:33 PM
Two guys mistook the collapse of WTC2 for an explosion.
5/11/2011 3:43:02 PM
^Jennings makes it clear in his interview that the explosion and stairwell collapse happened before either tower went down.From earlier in the thread:
5/11/2011 3:56:23 PM
Upwards of 50,000 people were in the WTC complex on 9/11. If there were a massive explosion in a building I would expect more than one person to notice it.
5/11/2011 4:04:58 PM
^Actually, after watching the video again, I think you're right. After he says "That's when the first tower was coming down", he says "I had no way of knowing that." It had to have been the first tower collapsing that caused the explosion.There's no evidence that it was a controlled demo.[Edited on May 11, 2011 at 4:32 PM. Reason : .]
5/11/2011 4:28:45 PM
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/12/osama-bin-laden-rejected-plans-for-truck-designed-to-mow-down-hu/Report: Osama bin Laden rejected plans for truck designed to mow down humans
6/21/2011 9:04:06 AM
*indiscriminate*Not the target of a symbol of American Imperialism. Mowing down random people on the street would not have anywhere near the impact of taking out the Trade Center.
6/21/2011 9:09:20 AM
^^ both of those are a month old
6/21/2011 9:34:26 AM