I have a door frame pull up bar I'm not using if anyone wants to buy it. I figured I'd post here since there seem to be a lot of people looking for the gear to use with their pirated authentic P90x DVDs. Looks like the one in the link, but all black. $15
http://tinyurl.com/bpstqr

Oh yeah, Pg 5.

[Edited on March 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM. Reason : s]

3/13/2009 3:30:44 PM

damn this program is hard.

Maybe I'm not stretching enough, but I am nearly too sore to continue. How do you guys recover enough to get your ass kicked for an hour the next day?

3/13/2009 3:33:58 PM

The first time I have done each workout I have been really sore the next day but each time it has gotten easier. If you do em in order at least you go from uppper body to lower and alternate areas. Typically if I feel too sore in one area that Im afraid I may push too far I may switch things up a bit and do one working on an area that isnt so sore. Some days all I have been able to do was ab ripper since my upper and lower bodies both were screaming please let us rest one more day!! haha

3/13/2009 4:11:30 PM

Yeah, following the first day of a new workout I am sore, plus I am still sore after every time I finish Core (which I do in lieu of Yoga because Yoga is ghey.) I have found the best way to get over the soreness is to just start the next tape and it will work itself out by the time you're halfway through the next workout.

The big thing is, don't quit. I know with myself I have taken 30 years getting to the point where I do not want to be, so trying to get where I do want to be in 90 days shouldn't come without some serious pain. I will say I took my 30 day photos a few days ago and there are some major improvement. I was pretty shocked because I didn't think I had progressed very much.

3/13/2009 4:26:38 PM

pull up bar sold.

3/15/2009 2:09:01 AM

those copies still floatin around? im tired of waitin on the torrent......

3/15/2009 11:17:14 AM

Yeah for real can anybody hook me up with a copy?

3/16/2009 2:35:56 AM

i live in Fuquay otherwise id offer to give it to whoever wanted, i carry it around on my external when i go out of town

3/16/2009 6:46:33 AM

haha yesterday was yoga day. I got about 40 minutes through before they started doing some crazy balls to the wall moves. eff that. I though yoga would be a LOT easier than it actually was.

3/16/2009 8:05:36 AM

In all fairness, Yoga gets totally different about halfway through (I think it is actually like minute 46). But like I have said before, I think it's really gay so I just do Core on Yoga days.

3/16/2009 11:00:53 AM

did this for the first 2 months while playing rec basketball, went from 175 to 163 lbs (Keep in mind I am about 5'10' so 163 is pretty skinny I think). I came to southport to work at the beginning of the 3rd month this march and proceeded to partially tear my rotator cuff having a mishap. I've been resting the last few weeks, but my work schedule (80 hours/wk) has destroyed my normal diet/exercise routine. I already feel some regress. Hopefully by the end of the month when I go back my shoulder will be about 90% and I will restart the program, i just wont be totally out of shape when i do

3/16/2009 2:06:37 PM

Gawd I hate yoga night. I'm starting the first recovery week tonight, so I've got it twice this week. After 3 times through the dvd, I think i'm just going to start taking a yoga class with a friend of mine who's an instructor. Granted, I'm a lot more flexible now than I was 3 weeks ago, but i need some variety. The thought of watching that thing 12 more times makes me want to break it in half.

Personally, I think trying to learn yoga from a dvd is a bad idea. I'd much rather have someone there to tell me "hey, you're not doing it right, you could hurt yourself that way", or to be a spotter. Plus, since the yoga dvd you're using in week 1 is the same you're using in week 13.. there's no progression. It's like diving into the deep end without learning to tread water. By taking a class, i'm sure you could ease into things and probably get a whole lot more out of it.

3/16/2009 5:21:23 PM

yeah, my first thought with that yoga dvd was "oh gawd, I'm not suppose to bend this way!"

3/16/2009 5:55:20 PM

starting phase 3 today

3/16/2009 5:58:04 PM

I started Day One today. It was a little easier than I thought but I also wasn't going nearly as many reps as everyone in the videos just trying to build up to that level...

3/16/2009 8:47:22 PM

Although I just realized by not doing as many reps I'm getting a whole lot more recovery time than I would if I was going to ~20-25 everytime. So yeah this workout will kick your ass if you try to get to their level.

Unfortunately, I'm starting after basically not working out for three years due to a nerve injury so it's probably going to take at least one run through the 90 days just to get looking half as toned as I used to be and thats assuming I'm able to limit drinking.

The only thing I don't like about the workout is the ab ripper. I thought the ab ripper 200 on p90 was much more effective.

The techniques on the p90x ab ripper are way too advanced for a beginner. I feel like most of the time I was using my back and legs rather than targeting my abs. On the other hand the ab ripper 200 on p90 was pretty spot on...

3/16/2009 9:32:28 PM

I'm going to get the pull up bar and stuff tomorrow

3/16/2009 11:35:26 PM

^^ what I do for ab ripper is wait until one of my shows is on and then 2 or 3 moves during the commercials. It lets you go at your own pace so you keep your form cleaner. Seems to be rather effective so far.


This is day 5 and I'm already seeing an improvement in tone and firmness. [no homo] Can't wait to see what 90 days will do.

[Edited on March 17, 2009 at 8:25 AM. Reason : hooray exercise]

3/17/2009 8:24:44 AM

On an aside, I got the Iron Gym pull up bar and it's sturdy as hell - I was really surprised. Unfortunately I'm 6'4" so I have to start pullups from my knees.

3/17/2009 8:28:17 AM

Personally, I think if you split up the Ab Ripper then it kind of lessens the effectiveness. I might be wrong, as this is based on no solid evidence. I mean, what if you were to break up the 350 movies over 12 hours of the day, doing one move every 2 minutes? I struggled my first week, and only now can I make it through the entire DVD without missing a rep at Tony's pace with what I think is the correct form (I am on week 6 now).

Bottom line though, do what works for you. If there are any benefits to doing it straight through vice in small chunks like you do, I am sure they are not all that big. It's great that you are doing the exercises and finding something that you're comfortable with. I think the toughest move for me is the "Heels to the Heavens", partially because it's really hard, and also because it's near the end of the workout and right after "Hip Rock and Raise" which seems to work the exact same muscle group.

3/17/2009 9:39:28 AM

^ well see, I can only make it through about 2 or 3 different moves before having to take a break anyway. I'm sure it would be more effective if I could sit there and rock it out through the full 15 minutes. But the main thing is that I'm actually DOING the program. That in and of itself is a big step forward for me.

3/17/2009 10:40:12 AM

why not do less than 25 reps if you are struggling with AB Ripper X?

Start by doing 12 reps of each move and work up until you are strong enough to complete all 25. That way you are doing each move instead of tiring out from the first few and skipping the last few.

3/17/2009 10:50:05 AM

^ sound advice.

I agree that a lot of those moves are too advanced for someone just starting out. I'm in pretty good shape and I don't even feel like i'm targeting all the right areas. (I'm in week 4) I've been thinking about subbing my own ab circuit that I know to be effective for ab ripper for a few weeks. I'll definitely incorporate some of the new moves from ARX to keep up the intensity.

V-up Roll ups are the absolute devil for me. I can do 25 straight legged sit ups no problem. I can do 25 of the pulse-ups. But I cannot do them together!

3/17/2009 11:41:58 AM

Quote :

"On an aside, I got the Iron Gym pull up bar and it's sturdy as hell - I was really surprised. Unfortunately I'm 6'4" so I have to start pullups from my knees."

That's what I didn't like about the door frame bars. I do kipping pull-ups which don't really work with it. I'm going to get one that will hang from the ceiling in my sun room.

3/17/2009 12:04:10 PM

woo Kempo is intense. Love me some karate. woo

3/17/2009 8:03:19 PM

Okay so I missed Day 2 due to some obligations I couldn't miss.

Day 3 I am way too sore to do upper body.

Hoping yoga on day 4 will prepare me for upper body on 5 & 6.

I wish I'd had 2 weeks just to warm up my muscles before I started but I'm on someone else's workout schedule that isn't flexible. I figure I just gotta stick with it as best as possible.

My main concern with this program is overtraining. I overtrained the hell out of myself when I was younger which resulted in much less results than I should have had based on how much effort I put forth. I tend to like the HIIT workouts better and I've had better results with that type of schedule though I didn't stick with the program long due to general laziness.

How the hell are you guys doing these exercises everyday? Without recovery time muscles can't grow and are susceptible to injury. I feel like I need to be on steroids or at least creatine or something. I've been flooding my body with protein and sitting in super hot water to quicken the healing (i did fuck up and drink last night ouch) but my fibers are completely broken down still...

3/18/2009 6:18:38 PM

Well you are kinda summarizing it without maybe realizing it.

I personally have committed myself to not missing a workout no matter what.... no matter how bad it hurts, no matter how little sleep I get (I have done my workout at 2:00 am when I had to get up at 5:00 am), no matter what foods I have to give up. That's what it takes. To me, this is a totally personal decision and I refuse to work around anyone elses schedule. I think missing a workout for any reason is failure, whether it be work, sickness, friends, anything really.

As for the soreness, yes you will be sore the first week. You're working things that normally aren't worked. But you will adjust. I don't really know too much of the science behind how long it takes your body to repair, but what I do know is that the workouts are balanced weight/cardio/weight/cardio/weight/cardio/rest, so you never do weights two days in a row. Plus, the workouts will generally not work the same muscle groups (yes there are multiple DVD's with push-ups and pull-ups). Big picture, I have looked at 100's of people who have finished the program and they get results. I am not going to argue with the results I see, I am just gonna do the program.

In my opinion, half.... maybe more of this program is attitude. I LOVE to drink alcohol and eat shitty foods, but I have made a committment that I will not drink any alcohol for 90 days, and I will eat what the nutrition guide says, and take the recommended supplements. And as I said before, I have made a promise to myself not to miss a workout. It is just not an option for me.

This is a potentially life altering experience. I have always believed that my body type was just one of those that will never really be in shape. But after only 40 days, I know that isn't true. The truth is I just didn't have the required discipline to make healthy choices and to motivate myself to work out properly.

Will I work out 6 days a week after this is over? No. Will I never drink alcohol? Fuck no. Will I occasionally go out and gorge myself on wings and pizza? Definitely. But what I will do is exercise several times a week and eat a healthy, balanced diet. I know I can do that... this is just the boot camp phase of getting me to where I need to be.

3/19/2009 2:20:52 AM

I like the attitude I didnt miss a workout for the first 5 weeks or so but after my first recovery week Ill admit I have been slacking lately. It is definitely half attitude and finding some sort of good motivation is key that you can keep in your mind to keep you going.

I understand your concerns about overworking rally and I know I did a couple weeks at a few workouts a week to ease into it which made starting the 6 days a week easier. You should be getting 7-8 hours of sleep a night if you are doing this that is the majority of the time when your muscles are recovering and healing. Also you gotta make sure you are eating enough food to compliment your program. I know the first week or two I was conscious about trying not to eat too much and fatigue started to kick in and I realized I just wasnt eating enough so I added in another snack or two a day and that seemed to help. Hopefully on monday I will pick back up my routine and stop missing workouts and power through the 2nd phase, like I said I have extended each phase in mine from 3 to 5 weeks basically giving myself 2 weeks to ease into the newer routines and learn the moves so the last 3 weeks of the phase I can really push it.

3/19/2009 10:48:24 AM

i did it for 4 weeks, but had to stop because I was losing weight. i wanted to maintain or slightly gain so i ate more than the program noted (while still sticking to WHICH foods).

definitely does hurt hte first week when you are still sore from 2 days ago, but that goes away in week 2 unless you are horribly out of shape.

i was a cut 125 haha, but yeah. im up to 138 now after some slight lifting and a lot of food (most of it bad kind). thinking about getting back into it again just doing the weight training portions every other day. i like the structure cuz im too lazy normally to do a full routine on my own.

3/19/2009 11:18:57 AM

^ yeah I know. If Tony wasn't up there bustin my balls for an hour every day, I don't think I'd get as good of a work out.

3/19/2009 11:32:20 AM

Quote :

"Day 3 I am way too sore to do upper body."

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"How the hell are you guys doing these exercises everyday? Without recovery time muscles can't grow and are susceptible to injury."

You'll always feel the most soreness on the second day after a workout, but it gets less painful each week. You probably feel like you're pecs are going to tear in half right now when you lift your arms, especially if you haven't worked out in a while. It's easy to over do it the first week. Remember, that Chest and Back workout is the same workout you'll be doing in week 12, so it's up to you to take it easy and pace yourself.

As for skipping the Day 3 workout because of upperbody soreness.. I don't recommend it. Day 1 focused on chest and back, but Day 3 concentrates on shoulders and arms. Yeah it's all upper body but you're primarily using different muscles. If you're too sore to use any weights, that's fine, but at least try to go through the motions. It will help stretch you out and get rid of some of that soreness. Plus, if you skip Day 3 in week 3, you'll just be putting off the Day 3 soreness til week 2.

Give it a shot, and good luck!

3/20/2009 10:43:59 AM

I did Yoga day 4 and legs/back on day 5 went pretty well. There was just no way I could afford to risk doing day 3. My triceps were lit, I don't have the strongest chest/back so after those started wearing down the last ~3-5 pushups each set were basically using my triceps to push through.

Maybe if i'd gone easier on Day one i could have done day three but if you absolutely crush day one when you're entering this program almost completely cold it's just too risky in my opinion to take a chance. I know i'm going to look better on day 90 if i don't tear something on day 3.

3/21/2009 12:12:38 PM

you've got to get to a muscular baseline before you start the program, that's why they have the fitness test thing in the guide that you should check yourself with

when I first started it destroyed me and i did take an extra day to recover sometimes, you know your limits and it will get better over time, so if you're to the point where you think you'd be doing serious damage by keeping the schedule at the beginning then don't

after a week or two you won't get nearly as sore as the beginning

and Kenpo is by far my favorite cardio

3/21/2009 12:41:47 PM

Day 8 chest/back went pretty well. I wasn't any stronger than I was the first time through though I don't think... probably just due to muscle fatigue I'm assuming I'll be a little stronger the next time around.

I've definitely gotten noticably more attractive in only one week. The double chin is fading, the abs are poking through, and my pants are so much more comfortable at work. I'm skipping Day 9 - plyometrics (not sure if i can do this yet with my knees anyway) due to an important professional exam tomorrow morning and my calves are still sore from the back to back legs/kempo at the end of last week.

Overall I like this so far but I am getting some soreness in my joints during the outergrip pullups.

3/24/2009 6:20:41 PM

Yoga isn't necessarily easy either. I like Ashtanga for the heating element and range of motion the poses get into, and Hatha sometimes for the restorative aspect- I find yoga poses effective for opening my shoulders for swimming, stretching out my legs from running, and general flexibility and core strength.

3/24/2009 6:31:40 PM

Finally got the dvd's from my brother, I've been using wii fit for now, but i might slowly progress into this now that ive got it. Going full on like he did is going to be impossible, i havent worked out in forever with the exception of 30 minutes of step and some other crap a day on the wii.

I figure a little is better then nothing though.

3/27/2009 12:41:19 PM

Wow, I am in utter amazement.

For Christmas this year, my wife bought me the big Gold's Gym that has the benchpress and all the pulleys for various other exercises. When I finally got the thing together, I tried out most of the moves with minimal weights. I also threw 135 pounds on the bar, and really struggled to crank out 8 reps. I tried 155 pounds to see how many reps I could do, and I was only able to do one. Well, I weigh about 195 pounds and I knew that was pretty bad, to say the least, so this was one more factor that led me to try P90X.

That was about 2 months ago. I just started my second rest week yesterday (I guess that puts me on Day 51 today). Just for fun, I decided to go upstairs and see how much I had improved. I was expecting that maybe I could lift 175 pounds now.... maybe. The 155 pounds from last time was still on the bar, so I started there and immediately banged out 10 reps with no problem. I started incrementally putting more weight on 10 pounds at a time until I got to 200 pounds, which I was able to lift twice. I probably could have done more reps or even maybe a little more weight, but I stopped there. I didn't want to go too crazy without someone else in the house (even though the gym has a rollback feature and a spotter).

Now I know to some/many/most people 200 pounds might not seem like much, but to me it has always seemed like something I could never reach, yet I did with 51 days of an exercise program and healthy eating. I can tell you this program is absolutely for real, and if followed it will help you get stronger and look better.

3/29/2009 2:29:02 PM

^ Right on man!


I just got back from a run around Lake Johnson and I cannot believe the results. I'm only on week 2 of P90x but I made it all the way around the lake without stopping or having to walk at all. The last time I could do that was when I was at the gym every day or at least an hour!

3/29/2009 6:19:09 PM

I think I'm gonna jump on this bandwagon too. I study all the time so I wanted a workout I could do at home. Thing is, I probably wouldn't be able to do this 6 days a week (due to time constraints). I'm a skinny dude already and pretty much just want to add strength and muscle mass. If I do just the strength workouts, would I be able to accomplish this? Or would it at least be a good precursor for when I can get to the gym more in a few months?

[Edited on March 30, 2009 at 1:41 PM. Reason : .]

3/30/2009 1:41:06 PM

^ yeah, me too. I'm downloading it now.

I figure i might as well get into a regimen if I want to actually make a difference. The "i guess i'll just run a couple times a week and ride my bike when I can" attitude I've had for several years now isn't cutting it.

What is the suggested course of action after the 90 days is over? Is this supposed to be just a kick-off to get you into good shape, then you go into a maintenance phase where you just go to the gym or whatever? Or do the DVDs offer some workouts that you could adjust and just do 3-times a week or something for maintenance?

3/30/2009 1:46:29 PM

I haven't done this program, but I have looked at the videos and guidelines.

Quote :

" I'm a skinny dude already and pretty much just want to add strength and muscle mass. If I do just the strength workouts, would I be able to accomplish this? Or would it at least be a good precursor for when I can get to the gym more in a few months?"

Depends on your fitness level, but if you are a stick thin dude, then yea you would gain a good amount of muscle and strength. But, most of these videos are around an hour long, since they are designed to get you "ripped" (ie shed bodyfat). Thus, they aren't as focused as they could be to just build strength. If your goal is just muscle and strength, and you are pressed for time, then you could probably find better results in a more streamlined program.

Quote :

" What is the suggested course of action after the 90 days is over? Is this supposed to be just a kick-off to get you into good shape, then you go into a maintenance phase where you just go to the gym or whatever? Or do the DVDs offer some workouts that you could adjust and just do 3-times a week or something for maintenance?"

There is a P90X+ program... But if you complete this, I would suggest doing something that is more maintainable, such as Crossfit. 90 days of doing the same workouts for an hour everyday, will get old fast. In fact, one of the guys from the videos actually runs as Crossfit affiliate now, go figure.

3/30/2009 3:30:06 PM

Quote :

"Wow, I am in utter amazement. "

I hear ya, I'm pretty stoked on my results thus far too. I'm just starting week 6, but already I've seen a ton of improvement. When I got started, I was struggling to do 5 pull ups at a time and I couldn't get through 3 sets before I was completely spent. Now I can crank out 5 sets of 10 no problem. At first, I was skeptical because it just didn't seem like working each muscle group once a week would do much good, but that one workout sure delivers a beating. And you can't argue results.

I've actually been wondering if these P90X strength gains would translate to exercises like the bench press. Now I'm anxious to go see what I can do. At my strongest I could get 2 reps with 235, but last time I tried I could barely manage 185.

And for anyone looking to build mass, maybe this isn't the quickest route, but it is pretty effective. I know a guy who started off skinny, 165 lbs, hardly any fat, and added 20 pounds in his first 90 days.

3/30/2009 5:31:22 PM

day 1 today - fitness test in morning, then Chest/Back + Ab Ripper X in afternoon.
good fuck, i'm spent. and i'm a pussy. i spent most of the work out wallowing around on the floor trying to get up from pushups. I couldn't do a single diamond push-up in either set.... (it follows standard, military, wide fly, and decline push ups)

here's my "before" fitness test stats. I took the pictures and everything, but i'm not going to do myself the indignity of posting them here until, hopefully, i have some good "after" pictures to compare them to

4/6/2009 8:12:34 PM

oh the pain train is comin'

but keep at it, this is the same shit you're gonna be doing in week 11 or 12 so you shouldn't be able to keep up now

and yeah by the second run it's not too many diamonds before i collapse on the way down

4/6/2009 8:16:31 PM

Yeah I remember that first week and trying to do diamonds that far into the routine and cussing at the tv because i could barely do one or two, by about week 5 i could actually do maybe 5 or 6 so at least I felt like I was seeing improvement.

4/7/2009 8:26:07 AM

Yeah this program realllyyyyy makes you hate that Tony Horton douche.

4/7/2009 8:37:16 AM

Gotta admit though if I can look like that in my 40s Id be pretty damn happy haha

4/7/2009 8:42:48 AM

i'm doing the plyo one in 30 minutes. I start phase 2 next week


for any people who haven't started yet, after you do plyometrics......be prepared to not be able to walk for the next few days

4/7/2009 8:45:46 AM

^ really? damn..... i'm doing plyo today for the first time, and I figured it would be a nice respite between the chest/back and shoulders/arms sessions

4/7/2009 9:12:08 AM

Yep he is right if this is your first time especially be prepared to feel good today, tomorrow finding it painful to walk and thursday feeling like you are handicapped trying to walk haha, once you have done it a few times though then it actually starts to feel more like a cardio routine and a break in between the tough upper body workouts though.

4/7/2009 9:35:46 AM