im not saying he hasn't done a few good things. still, overall, his administration has been shit.

but i will agree that we'll have to see how Iraq turns out 10-20 years from now before a full assessment can be made.

8/22/2008 5:57:42 PM

To Erios: I never called Zakaria a "hack"--let's be clear.

To schmoe: (1) You claim Bush is of "middling intellect," yet he managed to get into and succeed at both Harvard and Yale--and you and most of the others who criticize him didn't. And (2) you exhibit some level-headedness with this: "but i will agree that we'll have to see how Iraq turns out 10-20 years from now before a full assessment can be made." I commend you.

In any event, in "10-20 years," Bush may well look like a genius--or at least like a leader who had the courage of his convictions in the face of vicious personal and political attacks--concerning the Middle East. Time will tell.

8/22/2008 6:14:31 PM

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"yet he managed to get into and succeed at both Harvard and Yale"

you can't be serious. Bush got into both schools on account of his family's connections and was, by most accounts, a mediocre student with a 2.35 GPA at Yale with no As. According to insidepolitics.org, he had an above average but not Yale or Harvard impressive SAT score of 1206. Hell, I had a better SAT score than that.

You fail again.

Let the irrational spit soaked, key pounding, responses begin.

8/22/2008 6:21:15 PM

^ Dude, STFU. The only thing "pounding" around here is your heart--passionately for Obambi. And the only thing "soaked" is your brain--with oh-so-sweet leftist Kool-Aid.

Bush probably did get help from his family getting into those prestigious schools--just as many have done and continue to do. So? Your family can't buy every professor for you at every school--is that really your position?

Hell, maybe you're smarter than Bush--if so, you're certainly an underachiever compared to him! In any event, my point stands, and most organizations will hire a Harvard and Yale graduate over a State grad any day--regardless of his or her GPA.

I'm just tired of people who haven't accomplished anything even in the same universe as Bush's accomplishments continually calling him stupid or some such. Some of you need to run a reality check--if you don't like Bush and his policies, fine. But the "dummyhead Bush" shit is just played out--"big time."

8/22/2008 6:40:51 PM

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"The only thing "pounding" around here is your heart--passionately for Obambi"

What? I challenge you to find one single pro-Obama comment I've made anywhere in TWW. You won't. Maybe in your simple diametric alternate universe disliking Bush = supporting Obama, but here in the real world? Not so much.

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"Your family can't buy every professor for you at every school--is that really your position?"

obviously not with a 2.35 GPA.


What exactly are his accomplishments? Bush has run every business he's ever managed into the ground. He has managed to nearly double the national debt in four years, presided over the largest expansion of the federal government in a quarter century and whatever your opinion of the necessity of the war in Iraq, it was dismally -- borderline criminally -- mismanaged.

Using connections to rise to positions of prestige and power is completely irrelevant if you can't deliver. Bush has delivered failure everywhere he has gone. Period. It isn't a massive logical leap to conclude that this is largely a result of a mind which has failed to perform at the necessary levels for success.

8/22/2008 6:54:43 PM

damn....

hooksaw owned again.

from multiple directions.

im impressed.

8/22/2008 7:13:06 PM

don't be, its not hard

8/22/2008 7:17:57 PM

^^ and ^ Jerk, jerk, jerk.

^^^ Bush holds a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard and is a multimillionaire. Even though he himself admitted that he was an "average student" in college, he still managed to become the leader of the free world.

You, on the other hand, claim to be so much smarter than Bush, yet you've achieved nothing remotely close to his accomplishments. I'd say if anybody was owned here, it's you, JCASH--by Bush.

8/25/2008 4:36:40 AM

^ you just conceded that bush probably had a lot of help from his family in order to get those degrees, so why on earth would you still use it in your argument?

you know, it's easy to only talk about the positive things a leader does. i mean, hitler had the autobahn built.

oh, coincidentally, i just found this

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"Grade inflation spurs Harvard changes CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (AP) -- Harvard University, addressing concerns about grade inflation, is considering restoring a B as the average grade, and clarifying the meaning of each A on transcripts. Quote : "The Harvard student-faculty committee, which met this week, also is considering changes in the way honors are earned, including the elimination of the honors track for freshmen and sophomores, and the all-honors majors in some departments. Last June, a record 91 percent of Harvard seniors graduated with some kind of honor on their diploma, The Boston Globe reported. About half the undergraduate grades last year were A or A-minus." Quote : "Most Ivy League and top universities award honors only for outstanding work in a student's major. Some, including Yale and Princeton, cap total honors at about one-third of the graduating class. One of the proposals being considered at Harvard would encourage professors to give more B grades by narrowing the grade-point gap between an A-minus and a B-plus. Another would include on transcripts the percentage of A grades received by students in a given course." http://archives.cnn.com/2002/fyi/teachers.ednews/04/19/harvard.grade.inflation.ap/ I could post dozens of examples of this type. About half the undergraduate grades are As? Really?! Doesn't sound very challenging to me--and I don't care how good the students are. And "91 percent" honor graduates? Doesn't sound like much of an honor if just about everybody receives it."

hooksaw talking about how grades are inflated over at harvard in another thread

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 10:51 AM. Reason : bold is hooksaw]

8/25/2008 10:44:46 AM

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"he still managed to become the leader of the free world. "

he managed to become the leader of the free world through a rigged election

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"yet you've achieved nothing remotely close to his accomplishments."

i also bet his family isnt wealthy like the Bush clan and i can also wager that his father isnt the EX head of the CIA or President of the free world too....soooooo, what exactly are you trying to say.

this isnt apples to oranges you know

8/25/2008 11:05:43 AM

My family was quite wealthy

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"he managed to become the leader of the free world through a rigged election"

did he get re-elected through a rigged election?

8/25/2008 11:09:45 AM

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"I'd say if anybody was owned here, it's you, JCASH--by Bush."

Oh, I'd say the entire United States (aside from the "have mores") got owned.


Besides, I got into and graduated from college on my own merit and actually showed up for my military service.


Truth be told, I have no problem with parents wanting to give their children every conceivable opportunity to succeed. The trick is, succeeding. I'm curious though, what is it that draws a conservative like you, hooksaw to George Bush? Is it his expansion of the federal government? Is it his gross increase in the national debt? Is it his interventionist military policy, something loudly decried by the Republican party during the Clinton years? Is it his admitted cocaine and alcohol abuse as a young man? Is it his shielding of Saudi nationals in spite of the fact that the majority of the September 11th suicide bombers were from Saudi Arabia? Is it his supposed support for the troops when his administration was initially set on closing down DOD schools and removing commissaries from military posts? Is it the inept handling of the Iraq war (his original SECDEF claimed he "didn't know" that CENTCOM pulled out of Iraq after the initial ground offensive)? Is it the fact that he turned a world completely supporting the United States after September 11th into one that almost universally opposes our current policies? Is it the fact that his administration's incompetence, time after time, surrendered both houses of Congress to the Democratic party? Is it the fact that his administration has made the outcome of the next presidential election all but given?

On which one of those fine conservative policies do you base your unflagging support for George W. Bush, a man who achieved everything he achieved not through hard work, or dedication, but through privilege and connection?

8/25/2008 1:36:32 PM

Supreme Court Justices
War on Terror (Even though most people call it the Iraq War, its still part of the broader picture)
Katrina
9/11/01
No Child Left Behind
Tax Cuts

He had the biggest natural disaster and the largest terrorist attack to ever occur in our history. He provided leadership (even if you agree or disagree, he still led us) in some of the most troubling times our country has ever faced......provided tax cuts and helped the economy prosper dispite these crises...the economic boom in the early part of the decade was absolutely fabulous....

And for you people who are talking about school GPA, let me tell you this. No one cares what your GPA/class rank/weather you graduated with honors.......after a few years in the work place, all that matters is your personality.....

are you a BS'er or are you self motivated.....how would you handle certain situations.....are you a leader, do you stand by your morals/ideals...do you take shortcuts....are you easily swayed ...

Bush will probably go down as the man who had the courage and bravery to stay in Iraq despite huge pressure to cut and run.....

Of course he may also go down as the man who increased the budget defecit to record levels, did nothing about immigration, and just another president to do nothing about our energy crisis.

8/25/2008 2:24:43 PM

Supreme Court Justices - I'll give him that
War on Terror - (Even though most people call it the Iraq War, its still part of the broader picture) Iraq had nothing to do with September 11th. Nothing. The only real effect from Iraq has been to accelerate the rise in the national debt, consume national resources, and weaken the US's position in the world militarily, politically, and economically. Do you really want to call this a success? And don't give me the "well we haven't had an attack since September 11th" bullshit. There is no evidence that the war in Iraq has prevented that and, to be honest, for the above mentioned repercussions, the position of the United States in the world is far more precarious than it was on September 12th. UBL didn't have to launch another attack to destroy the US, we're doing it ourselves.
Katrina - are you fucking kidding me?
9/11/01 - it occured while he was president. And?
No Child Left Behind - the jury is still out on this one, but it came with a massive expansion of the DOE. Not exactly a conservative principle.
Tax Cuts - whoopie-do. I want spending cuts, not just tax cuts. Read David Walkers analysis of our current financial state and come back to me and talk about tax cuts.

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"the economic boom in the early part of the decade was absolutely fabulous...."

what?

Pig-headed pursuit of counter-productive policies does not count as leadership. Hell, leadership means convincing people to follow you, the number of people following Bush has steadily declined since September 11th. That isn't a strength I'd want to build my legacy on.

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"Bush will probably go down as the man who had the courage and bravery to stay in Iraq despite huge pressure to cut and run..... send other people to fight in a war that would profit his buddies when he refused to serve himself."

8/25/2008 2:42:39 PM

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"He had the biggest natural disaster and the largest terrorist attack to ever occur in our history. He provided leadership (even if you agree or disagree, he still led us) in some of the most troubling times our country has ever faced......provided tax cuts and helped the economy prosper dispite these crises...the economic boom in the early part of the decade was absolutely fabulous...."

Maybe I'll give you 9/11, but there's no way I can give him any positive points for Katrina. He shouldn't take all the blame for it either, our friend Governor Blanco hesitance deserves equal credit in the destruction of New Orleans, but his poor choice for FEMA's leadership and lack of more active leadership when it became clear that both his FEMA director and the good Governor were fumbling the response fall squarely on his shoulders.

As for Iraq, I'll agree with the others on this forum and say that the jury is out. It'll take a few decades before we can make a clear judgment on whether it led to something great or the downfall of our Republic.

Supreme Court Justices: his choice of Justice Roberts was well played; the man was truly the "Judge's Judge" and was about as qualified as any justice could possibly have been. His pick of Alito less so, but he gets points for pulling it off.

8/25/2008 5:28:23 PM

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"you know, it's easy to only talk about the positive things a leader does. i mean, hitler had the autobahn built."

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"hooksaw talking about how grades are inflated over at harvard in another thread"

federal

Concerning your first quotation, (1) GODWIN'S!!!1 And (2) you don't know what the fuck you're talking about--just like a lot of people here.

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"There are a number of issues that I have disagreed with President Bush about: spending, border enforcement, stem cell research, and so on. But I have agreed with him on more."

hooksaw

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"I'm surprised none of you Bush haters have picked up on this. I'll help you out. Bush's serious misjudgment concerning Russia's Vladimir Putin will be a blemish on his legacy."

hooksaw

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These are just a few examples among other criticisms of Bush I have posted over the years.

Concerning your second quotation, if you had bothered to notice, the article I posted was from 2002. I think Bush attended Harvard around 1973--I'm sure everything was exactly the same there nearly 30 years ago.

And there's this:

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"The comparatively small amount of attention paid by the political press to the President's Harvard MBA partially reflects a generalized ignorance of, and hostility toward, the degree itself. More importantly, acknowledging that he learned any valuable intellectual perspectives would contradict the storyline that young W was a party animal, who coasted through his elite education, scarcely cracking a book. In other words, as the left never tires of claiming, he is too 'stupid' to have picked up any tricks across the Charles River from Harvard Square. This is patently incorrect. Having attended Harvard Business School at the same time as the President, graduating from the two-year program a year after he did, and then serving on its faculty after a year's interval spent writing a PhD thesis, I am intimately familiar with the rigors of the program at the time, and the minuscule degree of slack cut for even the most well-connected students, when their performance did not make the grade. There is simply no way on earth that the son of the then—Ambassador to China (technically, head of the Beijing Liaison Office), or anyone else, could have coasted through Harvard Business School with a 'gentleman's C.' I never, ever heard of a case of an incompetent student being allowed to graduate, simply because a certain family was prominent. On the contrary, I did hear stories of well-born students having to leave prior to graduation. The academic standards were a point of considerable pride. An inability to learn and apply the lessons of the classroom and the voluminous nightly study materials, from regression analysis to strategy-formulation to marketing to human behavior in organizations, was simply not tolerated. Grading took place on a strict curve, and those who found themselves on the lower range of the curve in too many subjects hit the dreaded 'screen' and had to supply convincing rationales to the Academic Performance Committee as to why they should be allowed to attend the second year of the program, much less graduate. The screen was a vital component of the HBS quality assurance program, itself an essential method of protecting the value of the school's MBA 'brand.' Harvard Business School would no sooner voluntarily graduate an incompetent MBA holder than Coca Cola would ship-out bottles containing dead mice."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/02/gwb_hbs_mba.html

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"I'm curious though, what is it that draws a conservative like you, hooksaw to George Bush?"

JCASHFAN

I'll make this simple so you can finally grasp it: Bush was the only person with a chance of being elected who wasn't Gore or Kerry. And given those choices, I'd vote exactly the same way again today--no regrets. If you just can't--or won't--comprehend this, I can't help you further.

[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 7:00 AM. Reason : ]

8/26/2008 6:52:58 AM

You sure do have a hard-on for the lesser of two evils then.

8/26/2008 7:40:33 AM

hooksaw has no regrets on voting for Bush. typical man, says all you need to know. He was one of the worst presidents of all time but you cling to your GOP banner come thick and thin don't you? Lemming..

8/26/2008 7:43:06 AM

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"the economic boom in the early part of the decade was absolutely fabulous...."

indeed it was. Too bad it was built almost entirely on consumer debt and home-equity spending and had hardly anything to do with Bush's economic policy. Except, you know, when he would get on TV and tell people "please, help our country - go spend money. That's the true way to be a patriot - spend as much money as you can, no matter how much you have"
And, of course, Greenspan's role in the housing crisis by all but pushing investors into housing markets instead of the traditional treasury bills

8/26/2008 8:10:28 AM

^^ It takes decades--even generations--for a president's legacy to be formed. You're too stupid to realize this, I see.

8/28/2008 7:27:51 AM

Yeah and when that jello settles for Bush it'd be something Americans would rather take a shit on than eat.

8/28/2008 11:00:36 AM

8/28/2008 7:41:18 PM

^^ I strongly disagree.

^ That's outrageous.

8/29/2008 5:37:27 AM

The huge government bailout of Fannie and Freddie

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aMX336c2lWGQ&refer=home

While the Bush, Obama, and McCain all support this, Bush gets the "credit" for implementing it.

I have so many problems with this

9/7/2008 8:59:16 PM

Last few weeks are going to seal the deal on Bush being one of the worst. He gets 8 years to put his economic policies in place, and the opposite of what is intended happens. No way he will escape history's judgement on this.

[Edited on October 9, 2008 at 11:26 PM. Reason : .]

10/9/2008 11:24:42 PM

i kinda feel sorry for poor Dubya at this point. he's a sad, broken shell of a man.

10/10/2008 12:01:40 AM

funny to hear hooksaw talk about drinking the kool-aid. just priceless, really.

10/10/2008 12:09:46 AM

i wonder if jeb is ever gonna run

10/10/2008 12:09:47 AM

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"Whistleblower: Oil watchdog agency 'cult of corruption' Bobby Maxwell kept a close eye on the oil industry for more than 20 years as a government auditor. But he said the federal agency he worked for is now a "cult of corruption" -- a claim backed up by a recent government report. A report earlier this month said government officials accepted gifts from oil and gas company employees. "I believe the management we were under was showing favoritism to the oil industry," Maxwell told CNN. Maxwell is referring to a tiny agency within the Department of the Interior called the Minerals Management Service, which manages the nation's natural gas, oil and other mineral resources on federal lands. A report, conducted by the Interior Department's inspector general and released earlier this month, found that employees at the agency received improper gifts from energy industry officials and engaged with them in illegal drug use and inappropriate sexual relations. It looked at activities at the agency from 2003 through 2006."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/oil.whistleblower/index.html


At the very least, this is an example of the national executive failing to manage part of the executive branch. I'd imagine it is a little more in depth than that.

10/14/2008 8:28:28 PM

LAWLZ

Supreme Court Justices - No President becomes noteworthy for nominating Justices, no matter how good they are. Quick-- who nominated John Marshall? Holmes? Warren?

Yeah, I thought so.

War on Terror - if Iraq ends up being successful, it'll go down in history books right along with the Spanish-American War and the occupation of the Philippines. WOO-HOO! Go McKinley!

Katrina - Abject failure

9/11/01 - As stated before... yeah-- it happened. And Bush used it as an excuse to expand the power of the executive branch; a ratcheting effect that most historians find very disturbing.

No Child Left Behind - Speaking as someone "in the know," there are two possible outcomes for NCLB: it will either fail, or it will be watered down before the 2014 deadline. Regardless, it won't make any impact if we're talking about a long-term legacy.

Tax Cuts - Deficits


He has no strong positives, and the evidence indicating that he was just an average guy in waaaaay over his head just keeps piling up.

10/14/2008 8:52:53 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/oil.whistleblower/index.html

Corruption, scandal, and favortism within Bush's department of the interior responsible for monitoring the oil industry! Say it is not so!
No way its part of the liberal conspiracy trying to discredit the Bush administration who has no ties to oil or the defense industry.

10/14/2008 9:16:35 PM

here's a positive I'll give to Bush, if he can get it enacted
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/joemiller/bush-wants-nps-to-be-more-mtb-friendly

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"The Bush administration plans to make it easier for mountain bikers to gain access to national parks and other public lands before the president — an avid cyclist himself — leaves office. The National Park Service confirmed Tuesday that it is preparing a rule that will allow decisions about some mountain bike trails to be made by park managers instead of federal regulators in Washington, a process that can take years. A park service spokesman said the rule would be proposed no later than Nov. 15 so it could be final before Bush leaves office. If adopted, the proposal would likely result in more mountain biking opportunities on public lands. "

10/14/2008 11:35:58 PM

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"you can't be serious. Bush got into both schools on account of his family's connections and was, by most accounts, a mediocre student with a 2.35 GPA at Yale with no As. According to insidepolitics.org, he had an above average but not Yale or Harvard impressive SAT score of 1206. Hell, I had a better SAT score than that."

This is pretty dumb.

If he had a 4.0, then you would have said oh his family bought his college degree.



[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 2:11 AM. Reason : BTW when Bush was in college, Poppy was not a relatively big figure.]

10/15/2008 2:10:47 AM

Oops double post.....

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 2:11 AM. Reason : .]

10/15/2008 2:11:14 AM

Poppy was a yale alumnus and Grand daddy was a fucking US Senator.

10/15/2008 2:18:10 AM

I saw on the news the other day he was has the lowest approval rating. ever.

10/15/2008 9:11:29 AM

^ congress has had its lowest approval rating ever too.

it's the entire government that's doing a shitty job but it's more fun to put ALL the blame on Bush amirite

10/15/2008 9:15:32 AM

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"Poppy was a yale alumnus and Grand daddy was a fucking US Senator."

i think bush was already a congressman at this point, as well a multi-millionaire. these things together make it easy for someone to buy their way into harvard or yale.

10/15/2008 9:44:40 AM

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"9/11/01 - As stated before... yeah-- it happened. And Bush used it as an excuse to expand the power of the executive branch; a ratcheting effect that most historians find very disturbing."

To be fair, nearly every president who was in office during a crisis has attempted to expand the power of the executive branch. Doesn't make Bush's actions right, but from suspending habeas corpus to seizing steel mills, President Bush's actions, while incorrect, will at best be a footnote in the history books.

There are too many things up in the air right now to judge how his legacy will turn out especially a century from now once the emotions of the past decade have faded away. He may be remembered as the man who was there at the beginning collapse of American hegemony and the Western liberal consensus. He may be remembered as a last gasp of Western imperialism. If Iraq turns out to be a turning point in Middle Eastern history for better or worse, he'll be remembered for initiating it.

I'm sure historians will probably dance all over him, but I don't know if Bush will truly be remembered as an American Nero or just an ineffectual president swept up in the swirl of events around him.

And of course, he still has a few months left. As we watched during the last few weeks, a lot can happen in the span of a few short months.

10/15/2008 10:13:05 AM

well his administration is responsible for the rise in voter registration and voter turn out. as far as i'm concerned that will be the only legacy he leaves.

10/15/2008 10:37:03 AM

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"well his administration's incompetence is responsible for the rise in voter registration and voter turn out. as far as i'm concerned that will be the only legacy he leaves."

fixt

10/15/2008 1:56:22 PM

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"9/11/01 - As stated before... yeah-- it happened. And Bush used it as an excuse to expand the power of the executive branch; a ratcheting effect that most historians find very disturbing"

we cannot leave out the unprecedented level of spying on American citizens that followed 9/11 also.

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/10/nsas_warrantles.html

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"Faulk says he and others in his section of the NSA facility at Fort Gordon routinely shared salacious or tantalizing phone calls that had been intercepted, alerting office mates to certain time codes of "cuts" that were available on each operator's computer. "Hey, check this out," Faulk says he would be told, "there's good phone sex or there's some pillow talk, pull up this call, it's really funny, go check it out. It would be some colonel making pillow talk and we would say, 'Wow, this was crazy'," Faulk told ABC News."

10/15/2008 2:56:43 PM

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"did he get re-elected through a rigged election?"

This graph represents the number of votes bush got beyond the amount that exit poles recorded that he probably should have gotten.

Shift = (Bush Final Margin - Bush Exit Poll Margin)/2



Before you dismiss it as a normal variation in measurements, here's how accurate those poles have been in the past.

projected/actual
1956 Eisenhower 59.5%/57.8%
1964: Johnson 64%/61.3%
1972 Nixon 62%/61.8%
1976 Ford 49%/48.1%.
1980, Carter 44%/41%.
1984 Reagan 59%/59.2%.
1996 Clinton 52%/49.2%

Unfortunately there's little to guarantee that the Republican party won't do this again this year.

10/15/2008 3:24:29 PM

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"If he had a 4.0, then you would have said oh his family bought his college degree."

No, I wouldn't.

^ In fairness, both parties practice this on a pretty regular basis. Actually, the Democrat party probably has a worse track record overall, especially in urban areas. That being said, Rove was a shady mother-fucker.

10/15/2008 4:46:10 PM

^^ That's not a good graph to prove anything. If you add up all the shifted votes it's probably pretty close to historical levels. Besides, in an election that close, the average historical margin of error is well within the margin of victory Bush had.

It's a shame that more people in the country wanted Gore to be president though.

10/18/2008 4:42:05 AM

I actually have few complaints about Bush as of lately. Think he's handling the current economic distress effectively especially when it comes to prodding congress into putting their act together in order to churn out necessary legislation.

10/20/2008 12:42:35 AM

As much as people, often rightfully, complain about Congress being slow and do-nothing, that's part of their job. They are not supposed to be pushed around by the President, or be held at gunpoint by the Executive branch into passing trillion dollar bills with barely any debate

10/20/2008 8:11:25 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/rigging.election/index.html

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"The former Republican political operative went to federal prison after he pleaded guilty to charges of phone harassment. He jammed the phone lines of New Hampshire's Democratic Party on Election Day six years ago. "The concept was to disrupt lines of communication. That's a fancy way of saying, 'make it so the phones didn't work,' " Raymond said recently. "No calls going out. No calls going in." "

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"Raymond details how he got caught. An hour and a half into the jamming operation he received an e-mail from a Republican official, frantically telling him to shut down the calls. The e-mail read: "Chairman "

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"One of Raymond's alleged co-conspirators, James Tobin, was a top official with the National Republican Senatorial Committee that year. He went on to serve as George W. Bush's Northeastern regional re-election chairman in 2004"

LIES once again from the LIBERAL Media to discredit our fearless leader and hurt McCain's campaign!!!

10/22/2008 4:30:18 PM

And with the asswhipping the republicans just had to endure, Bush is going to join Carter in history.

11/5/2008 2:39:52 AM

^ The currently low approval rating for Bush will, indeed, be a part of his legacy--and it will be listed as a key element in facilitating the Age of Obama.

11/5/2008 6:10:21 PM