It's debateable. Over all more ps2 units were sold until just recently. Xbox still has strong numbers compared to ps2 and surpassed ps2's total volumn sold like a year ago. The sheer number of titles available for xbox versus ps2 was overwhelming.

So while technically ps2 won the initial battle, xbox overtook them in sales and kept going.

I don't know where the CNN article is about it.

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 10:02 AM. Reason : !]

2/27/2007 10:01:59 AM

the xbox did not blow the ps2 away at any point in its existence.

2/27/2007 10:03:48 AM

Here's a 2003 article when Xbox had come out and ps2 was far ahead

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Jul/bga20030721020904.htm

Review about xbox360 versus ps3 in usability and game development
http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm

and
http://www.hdgamenews.com/2007/02/has-xbox-360-squelched-playstion-3s.html

I'm not a fan boy of either. I'm waiting for a result but looking at sony's trend... they aren't going to win.

2/27/2007 10:09:06 AM

Uh... worldwide PS2 total console sales dominate XBox sales over the lifetime of both consoles. Obscenely so.

As far as 360 vs. PS3 sales go, the 360 had a one year head start, isn't priced as prohibitively (read: cheaper) and the 360 didn't have any competition when it came out. It's really not a huge shock.

The question is just going to be whether Sony can ride out the lull in sales until next year when the exclusive games people might actually want to play come out on the PS3.

In looking at DVD selection alone (read: they have decent movies out for Blu-Ray), Blu-Ray doesn't seem as ultimately doomed as it did just a few months back, but the PS3's disappointing sales are going to hurt its adoption longterm.

2/27/2007 10:26:48 AM

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"the xbox did not blow the ps2 away at any point in its existence."

leave it to a tool like Raige to divert this thread into a console war

2/27/2007 10:57:32 AM

Why would you even argue something as retarded as this.

2/27/2007 11:00:24 AM

You've got 19,000 posts on here, and you still have to ask that question?

2/27/2007 11:07:29 AM

^^^ not talking worldwide, talking US a sales. As far as what technology is adopted (HD-DVD or BlueRay) in the US, those are the trends im talking about.

Cool I'm a tool!

2/27/2007 11:12:46 AM

:end console war:

What is the best blue ray player?
should i just snag a ps3 and replace it when it craps out on me?

2/27/2007 11:21:14 AM

The PS3 is the best blu-ray player in its price range.

Even though it doesn't upconvert regular DVDs, it does a fine job of displaying them in 480p (entirely subjective). Upconversion of DVDs has been promised via firmware upgrade (possibly march 23rd).

My only gripe with the PS3 as BD player is that you have to use the controller or Sony BD Remote. Universal remotes will not work since the remote uses Bluetooth. Hopefully someone comes out with an IR-->BT USB adapter so i can use my Harmony.

It will not crap out on you, it's a well made machine and there have been very few reports of PS3s crapping out (unlike the 360).

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 11:48 AM. Reason : d]

2/27/2007 11:46:44 AM

^^ Depends what you are looking for in your player.

As far as I know the PS3 is the only Blu-Ray player that currently supports HDMI 1.3. The only advantage that I know of right now to buying a stand alone, more expensive Blu-Ray player is that they can upconvert DVDs. However, Sony has stated they will be adding this functionality to the PS3 in the future.

For the price I would go with a PS3 if you don't need upconverting right now since you will get the additional ability of games/music/web.

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 11:47 AM. Reason : ^ up one]

2/27/2007 11:46:49 AM

my tv does a good job up converting on its own. and i do not have that many non hd-dvds.

the xbox 360 also upconverts with the vga adapter so i do not need that with dvds.



[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 11:53 AM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 11:49:21 AM

^^^ Not console warring here. Just stating that the PS3 had lots of units overheat (though admittedly probably due to user caused situations). Oh yeah and everything I stated was based of off articles I've read and trends with sony at large. I personally don't give a rats ass which wins since I'm not paying $30 for a $10 movie .

Nor am I paying $500 for a system that only plays video games.

2/27/2007 1:56:12 PM

that's weird, cuz everything I've read seems to indicate that the PS3 has had very FEW instances of hardware failure.

2/27/2007 1:59:35 PM

yeah, the only thing i've heard is that the demo ps3's in stores have had problems. outside of that, i haven't heard shit. whereas the xbox 360's red lights of doom are now quite infamous.

i have a 360 btw, not a sony fanboy.

2/27/2007 2:10:25 PM

I've read about issues with both consoles i'm not stepping on 1 side or another... anyway a real gamer would have both regardless because the best games for each system are only released for that system.
Halo, Grantourismo, Gears of war, grand theft auto(sure they get released later on everything but no initially)

i just don't want to buy a $600 brick

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 2:42 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 2:42:27 PM

Buy it with a credit card and then dispute if it breaks?

2/27/2007 2:45:53 PM

i've never done that?

is it difficult?
does it mess with your credit?

2/27/2007 3:15:49 PM

you get automatic doubling of the warranty if you buy with MOST credit cards. So in this case you'd be covered for 2 years.

I usually make purchases like these with my AmEx, their customer service is the best. The process is easy provided you've got your receipt. Sometimes they dont even ask you to send the defective product back to them, they just replace it (unlikely with such a high dolla item.)

It does not mess w/ your credit at all.


But I'm telling you, your PS3 will not brick on you. Hell, it hasn't even glitched on me yet, and I've def put mine through its paces. AND it was a launch system.

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 3:51 PM. Reason : df]

2/27/2007 3:50:53 PM

I have not seen any report of a PS3 bricking. Like others have already mentioned the only bad hardware problems I have heard about were PS3s in plastic cases in stores like Best Buy / Gamespot overheating because there was no circulation inside the case.

2/27/2007 3:59:40 PM

they need to make little ac units that look like a/v components cause with an xbox w/ external hd dvd player,a reciever, a dvr, a htpc and soon to be a ps3 and a power conditioner all in a bookshelf... the junk gets hot.

2/27/2007 4:05:58 PM

this has probably already been said but...if you bought either one of these your an idiot

2/27/2007 4:21:17 PM

Quote :

"this has probably already been said but...if you bought either one of these your an idiot"

thanks for contributing

2/27/2007 4:46:15 PM

Quote :

"this has probably already been said but...if you bought either one of these your an idiot"

gg...
or wait.. i'm about to own both eeek!!
but in the form of gaming systems.


ohh and making a blanket statement with no supporting facts what so ever makes you the idiot.

2/27/2007 4:54:32 PM

Quote :

"they need to make little ac units that look like a/v components cause with an xbox w/ external hd dvd player,a reciever, a dvr, a htpc and soon to be a ps3 and a power conditioner all in a bookshelf... the junk gets hot."

It should all be designed to withstand a fairly high case temperature. The heat sink inside the PS3 looks to be sufficient.

I'm sure its not, because American consumers refuse to pay for properly designed equipment. Dealing with a console that dies in a year is "ok" though.

2/27/2007 6:27:57 PM

true... luckily i did spend the cash on a receiver that is 80% heat sink

2/27/2007 8:02:39 PM

Quote :

"I'm sure its not, because American consumers refuse to pay for properly designed equipment."

I know that I, as an American consumer, will always refuse to purchase any product that even shows so much as a hint of a good design.[/sarcasm]

Quote :

"Dealing with a console that dies in a year is "ok" though."

Not for me. I got angry when my x-box thompson drive from '01 gave out last month. I was hoping it would last until the BC list for the 360 covered most of my games but it turns out the whole BC thing was a joke. I'm sticking to PC games from now on.

2/28/2007 8:58:38 AM

Quote :

"I got angry when my x-box thompson drive from '01 gave out last month. "

My power supply caught on fire and melted pretty much everything in the case. I had hoped it would last until Halo 3 came out.

2/28/2007 9:52:13 AM

Wow. Yeah, you got me beat. Like I said, I hoped the BC would pick up my games - I only really wanted a 360 to keep my x-box games alive. As it turned out the BC only created the false hope until the x-box was no longer available on store shelves (factory sealed at least).

2/28/2007 9:54:24 AM

So instead of going out and getting another xbox for $100, you spent $400 on a 360 just to play 5 year old games?

That doesn't seem smart at all.

2/28/2007 9:57:21 AM

No, I went out and got a used x-box to replace the old one. I would have preferred a new one but most online places have those at $300. I wish I had just bought one a year ago when you could still pick up new ones on the cheap in stores.

The original plan before the x-box broke was to ride out on the x-box until a 360 price drop, continue to play my 5 year old games as I slowly weaned myself to next gen games.

2/28/2007 10:07:22 AM

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hd-dvd-bluray/1927/shootout-3-blu-ray-disc-players.html

I was kind of on the fence about the PS3, considering how dismal the interface and playback is on the 360, but this changes my mind.

Not that I sport a 1080p set, but I'm temped. I wonder how long before places such as blockbuster or netflix get a large collection of movies on the new formats.

3/2/2007 6:03:53 PM

netflix already has close to 300 movies on blu-ray

3/3/2007 11:18:17 PM

yeah and quite a few hd dvds too..

i don't think 300 though

anyway... if you want a big screen in a small room 1080p is the only way to fly.

3/3/2007 11:49:12 PM

http://www.bargainist.com/deals/2007/03/amazoncom-bluray-dvds-50-off/

3/7/2007 10:29:22 AM

http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/03/sony_may_cry_de.html

3/20/2007 12:01:28 PM

I think sony has this one in the bag... i hate to say it but its so much easier to find the titles i want on bluray than it is on hd-dvd

3/20/2007 12:11:23 PM

i would be nuts for bluray if it weren't for the fact that it's sony...EVERYONE knows sony hates its customers (i'd seriously like to see some proof to the contrary)...as someone who still owns a "regular" TV, who is more than happy with his DVD player and 5.1 surround, i couldn't care less about the "quality" (as what i've seen is not even remotely close to being worth the price)...however, the very fact that bluray holds more data keeps me interested (though i'd really like to see actual numbers comparing the cost of bluray - players, burners, and media - versus HD)

3/20/2007 12:56:13 PM

It might be common knowledge among techies, but the general electronics buying populace to this day still equates Sony with "quality product"...also, see Bose.

3/20/2007 1:28:09 PM

^^^^That link does not have the first thing to do with Blu-Ray.

You do know there are specific threads about the PS3, right?

3/20/2007 1:55:03 PM

It has everything to do with Blu Ray you moron.

3/20/2007 1:58:46 PM

and the cheapest most popular bluray player is....



survey says.....

the ps3

3/20/2007 2:11:48 PM

^^Maybe 2nd hand. If you're claiming the success/failure of the PS3 as a gaming machine will be the sole reason for the success/failure of blu-ray as a whole.

But I still know for a fact there are more on-topic places you could have placed that link.

Moron.

3/20/2007 2:58:17 PM

I'm not claiming anything more than it is relevant to this discussion you cock rider. I don't give a fuck about the gaming specifics of these machines, and don't have a vested interest in any of those threads, so I didn't post it there.

OMG

I POSTED THE LINK IN THIS THREAD

AND IT CAN ONLY BE POSTED ONCE PER WEBSITE

FUCK!!

3/21/2007 8:01:30 AM

Surely the demise of the Blu-Ray format will come at the hands of Devil May Cry fans that no longer have a need to buy a PS3 to play their favorite game.

3/21/2007 8:10:47 AM

^^Actually the link was posted in a more relevant thread and, surprise surprise it sparked a little bit of discussion when placed in the proper location.

And if you don't care about the gaming specifics of the PS3, then why did you post a link to an article that was 100% about a game, and doesn't mention the blu-ray format one single time? Seriously, since I'm such a moron, go ahead and tell me how that article "has everything to do with Blu Ray"

Go ahead. I'll wait.

^This guy's probably waiting for your answer too. Unless he stole what you were gonna say.

3/21/2007 8:43:41 AM

Well, he didn't steal what I was going to say, but he "got it". I can't help you're more interested in riding my dick than actually discussing the merits of the link.

Look at the fucking title of the article you mouth breather

Sony May Cry

Look at the first comment to the article

Quote :

"Sweet. As soon as Microsoft resolves the problem with the red ring of death, I'm getting a 360. There are hardly any reasons left to get a PS3 except maybe for the Final Fantasy games."

And one more for good measure

Quote :

" If anything, this is evidence that the PS3 is quickly gaining stigma as this generation's Sega 32X, Neo Geo, Atari Jaguar, or whatever else you want to call it. That's my interpretation of this info. "

It doesn't take an IQ > 80 to connect these dots. What's your dysfunction?

3/21/2007 9:16:21 AM

wait, you mean that you're actually basing your arguments off of comments on a blog? i tell you what, why don't you write a paper an source only blogs and their comments and see how far that gets you in life

gaming blogs are notorious for having plants post comments - i don't even read comments over at joystiq anymore...it's obvious that all three players have people positing company lines about how good their stuff is or how shit others are

3/21/2007 9:38:34 AM

Quote :

"wait, you mean that you're actually basing your arguments off of comments on a blog? i tell you what, why don't you write a paper an source only blogs and their comments and see how far that gets you in life"

No, I am not basing my argument on their comments, I am pointing out that other people other there are thinking like I am.

Jesus, some of you folks are really slow.

3/21/2007 10:23:26 AM

so basically your argument is exactly what I claimed in my first reply?

Quote :

"If you're claiming the success/failure of the PS3 as a gaming machine will be the sole reason for the success/failure of blu-ray as a whole."

So as you can see, I got your point. I even got that jbtilley got your point. I'm just saying it's not a very good one.

And for christ's sake, can we leave your dick out of this conversation from this point on? It might be one of your favorite topics, but really that's something I could do without hearing about.

3/21/2007 11:48:41 AM