UT increasingly sounds preferable, but I don't want to downtalk other dorms too much.

Bear in mind, I'm not denying that we'd have to ration pretty hard. Basically you have to estimate the number of total calories in a C-store, and my guess it's quite a lot. Yeah, we'd all be skinnier when we left, but we'd live.

Water could be a bitch anywhere we end up. During certain seasons we could collect rain with relative ease, but it can get dry here for a spell. Basically we'd have to collect as much h2o as possible early on, before our infrastructure shuts down.

It also bears mentioning that since we'll all start off in different places, we can pick up stuff on our way -- grab as much food as you can on the way to the central location.

Another possibility -- we do have the steam tunnels. Zombies don't tend to distribute themselves over large areas, so while the tunnel near syme doesn't go near a cafeteria it would take us away from the building if zombies had congregated around us. Send a couple of people out and they could conceivably sneak to other food sources and back without too much problem. Remember, the human olfactory ability -- and thus, the zombie's sense of smell -- is limited, so as long as one of the bastards doesn't see or hear you, you're fine. Basically, you could exfiltrate from Syme to, say, Page, make a quick dash to Hillsboro, grab what you can, and run back. The tunnels would also work of the building was compromised.

Quote :

"(car held up pretty well... I would be driving 2-3 weeks after the initial occurance, so I think the roads would be drivable)."

How are the roads going to improve? Once all the cars get abandoned, they stay there. The damn zombies aren't going to get them out of your way.

Sorry, pal, the only way you're driving anywhere is in somethign strong enough to push other cars out of the way.

[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 12:48 AM. Reason : ]

4/17/2005 12:47:13 AM

Hopefully the zombie attack will take place on a Thursday night when they're all out clubbin' and gettin crunk

4/17/2005 12:49:45 AM

The population of UT is by and large of substandard intelligence. It's safe to say that most would be zombified early on, then move out into the streets.

Some could be assimilated into the group, especially women, others could unknowingly be sent on suicidal missions, or just killed outright.

Survival of the fittest.

4/17/2005 12:51:34 AM

Firearms: Loud, attract zombies to your location and thus surround yourself in a concentration.

If you have the option of shooting them or using a blunt object I think relies on how far along you are. At the begining you would never use a firearm. Only when fighting off a breach or last ditch effort would you need a gun.


Another note. Dawn of the dead remake. They were in a mall, surrounded by ruffly 3-5 thousand zombies near the end. And as you know they has the guy with the gun store accross the street.

Now my question. If the gun store has ammo....most likley a large amount of ammo for all different types of guns, why not shoot the zombies as they get there. There cant be an infinite amount of zombies within ear shot. The only way there would be an infinite amount would be to have some force drawing them all to you.

And in killing the zombies as they come to you would decrease there build up numbers and lessen the chance of a breach by weight of numbers.

This would work well assuming zombies would be attracted by the gun noise enough for you to be able to use hand guns for which he would most likley have the most amount of ammo for.

4/17/2005 12:53:00 AM

where do the chem people hide all their good chemicals on campus?

strong acids, shit to cover scents (ammonia?), and chemicals with explosive potential would be very helpful

also scrap metal, a MIG welder, and a few cutting torches would be nice - would that be MAE or technology education jursidiction?

and a quick raid of daniels for all the electrical parts one could snag

and every textbook one can find... if they don't contain useful info they are always useful as weight

oh and little things like lighters would be good to have a lot of

4/17/2005 12:54:58 AM

Actually, there's a tunnel entrance right behind Kilgore, which is not too far from UT. It would be possible to get from UT to Syme while only being above ground for maybe 1 minute. Harris Teeter isn't all that far from Syme either.

4/17/2005 12:55:03 AM

^^ MAF, maybe Garder

4/17/2005 12:56:03 AM

i'm gonna watch romero's dotd right now so i can gain some quick knowledge

4/17/2005 12:58:25 AM

day of the dead sucks =/, the worst of the trilogy

[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 12:59 AM. Reason : just realized dawn also starts with a d]

4/17/2005 12:59:30 AM

If memory serves from my, uh, friend who's been in the Steam Tunnels, those near Syme do not connect to those near UT.

Clearly some parts of the university have good equipment on hand, we just have to hope for the opportunity to acquire it. A lot of the construction stuff would be more useful for constructing fortifications or an escape vehnicle than for actual weapons, but still.

BEU's gun issue likely wouldn't come up for us, as there aren't many guns on campus. Maybe the po-po, but nothing spectacular there. The various military buildings on Western have to have something, but they're a bit of a hike from most places on campus.

4/17/2005 1:00:06 AM

I'm sure the construction sites have a ton of stuff that could be used for all kinds of stuff. The big earth moving machines would probably come in handy as well.

Yeah, I heard that the tunnels don't connect, but I also heard that from the east tunnel you can get into the water distribution plant, and from there it's a stone's throw to the other larger tunnel.

[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 1:05 AM. Reason : ]

4/17/2005 1:05:36 AM

The construction vehicles could prove indispensible if we were required to move, and remember that several of them are very close to Syme.

I'd fathom that you could probably jerry-rig a way to attach a bulldozer or similar heavy mover to a vehicle more suitable to carrying passengers. I also recall a recent incident in which a deranged man essentially made a tank out of a bulldozer and used it to destroy several buildings under heavy police fire. In other words, great things could be done.

4/17/2005 1:08:46 AM

Does anybody have any old A-Team episodes on DVD?

4/17/2005 1:09:52 AM

Quote :

"How are the roads going to improve? Once all the cars get abandoned, they stay there. The damn zombies aren't going to get them out of your way."

if you remember on 28 days later... cars were there, but can be driven around or occasionally be hit through. I wouldn't be going really fast if it wasn't clear, but it can be done. I would assume many of the roads wouldn't be bad... since they would be off the road somewhere after being attacked. I would hope people aren't sitting in their cars, then when attacked they put it in park and run.

4/17/2005 1:27:01 AM

Car ownership in England isn't nearly what it is here. And I also remember the people in 28 Days Later damn near getting killed because of roads being jammed up.

Going slow is risky -- if you get surrounded in a car, you're fucked.

4/17/2005 1:28:26 AM

^^If the attack happens in the morning or afternoon, lots of people will be on the way to/on the way home from work, stuck in traffic. Often times, the cars will be bumper to bumper. You can bet that if one zombie gets loose in a high traffic area, everyone sitting in their car is gonna either get bitten or is gonna just get out of their car and run. The emergency lane probably wouldn't be open due to ambulances for early 911 calls.

[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 1:33 AM. Reason : ]

4/17/2005 1:32:25 AM

well then I guess I'll need to steal a 4WD truck jet pack

[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 1:34 AM. Reason : l]

4/17/2005 1:33:28 AM

I'm telling you, man, land travel in anything but heavy moving equipment is just not gonna happen, not near anything resembling an urban center.

When people panic, they'll throw traffic laws out the window -- not only the roads, but everything near the roads is going to be blocked by abandoned cars.

And you can't carry food in a jetpack. A private jet would be nice.

4/17/2005 1:35:30 AM

Maybe it would be advantageous to go to a zoo and release all the animals. You know those tigers are gonna get hungry after a while, and a rhino would plow right through a hord of zombies after they piss it off. This is of course, assuming that the zombies are only after human flesh, and the virus or whatever doesn't affect animals.

[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 1:38 AM. Reason : ]

4/17/2005 1:37:36 AM

My Jeep would be good. You can pack around 15 people in there ( ), the bumpers are bulletproof and its up high. You'd have to fortify the soft top though.

4/17/2005 1:37:39 AM

[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 1:41 AM. Reason : ]

4/17/2005 1:38:28 AM

If this happened... I'd like to get caught in a shopping center area like crossroads where I could walk across the tops of buildings to get to others. This is of course assuming everything is closed and no zombies inside. I would need to make some kind of bridge or rope crossing to get to other sections of buildings though.

I would say downtown would be good... but definately not enough food.

4/17/2005 1:40:49 AM

Those bobcats would be the shit when it comes to getting someplace quick. Obviously it wouldn't be as fast as the Jeep, but it's got a lot more protection.

4/17/2005 1:48:16 AM

Yep. Like I said, fortify that bitch and you can ride for as long as you have gas and food.

The only problem is that they don't have much in the way of passenger space, which is why I suggested maybe towing a fortified car, van, or bus behind full of your peeps.

[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 1:53 AM. Reason : Will chit-chat accept me after this thread?]

4/17/2005 1:52:12 AM

ima go ahead and let you guys in on the real deal
atlantic beach, or bouge island to be exact only has two bridges and most importantly
fort macon, yep a real fort, it has a moat giant stone walls huge thick doors, holding cells and just about everything else so best idea would be to get said fire truck make food runs and use fort macon as a home base...

4/17/2005 2:32:16 AM

University transportation would work if you did not have sprinters. It has a high fence and a lot of vehicles.

I would also suggest Reynolds if it has not been breached. No windows and it has a full training room and equipment supply in the basement. You also have plenty of room to park vehicle in to get ready in case you have to move quickly. As for food supply you could live off the concession stand and energy bars in the training room. Weapons are also easily accessible via equipment and weight rm. Due to it’s size you could be in danger of a breach but the basement w/ training room/weight rm/equipment rm are only accessible via two doors and an elevator.

4/17/2005 2:38:01 AM

umm yeah fort macon

4/17/2005 2:39:28 AM

Travelling as far as the beach is gonna suck no matter what vehicle you've got. And by "is gonna suck," I mean "isn't gonna happen."

Easy Mac has just earned himself in the survivor crew for his clear understanding of the issue. We now have room for three more dudes.

[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 2:40 AM. Reason : ]

4/17/2005 2:40:40 AM

this would be long term goal, not only is it a fort , but directly beside it is a coast guard station
if you could make it there you would be safe, and with a fire truck and roads mainly open there is no way you could not make it there
fort offers a great home base with the idea of taking over the island

4/17/2005 2:45:01 AM

your best bet is to be a sailor on a submarine

4/17/2005 2:46:58 AM

Fuck submarines, no women on those. Nuclear aircraft carrier is the way to go.

4/17/2005 2:48:00 AM

What bothers me about this is the govt would more than likely make those safe places initially increasing chances for a mgr breach. In the beginning you need small #’s you need to be aware and constantly check in with each other until you know just how the virus spreads. That was the initial problem in the safe areas in the movie.

4/17/2005 2:50:13 AM

If you guys are going to start bringing up beaches, then Sunset Beach would be my best bet.

There's only ONE bridge and it swings. So you could leave it unpassable. There's a small population there and several food markets on the island and some close by on the mainland.

There's plenty of vacation houses, so you break into the houses if no one is home and fill up every sink and bathtub with water. It'll last you a while.

There's a population of wild goats on the island if you run out of prepackaged food.

4/17/2005 2:52:55 AM

I was thinking of an aircraft carrier. They usually carry around 5,000 crew composed of men and women. Nuclear carriers only need to refuel once every 25 years or so. Supplies would be a bitch. I beleive they usually get fresh food (fruit and whatnot) flown in every two weeks or so. With rationing and living off cans/dry goods, they might be able to last a while.

4/17/2005 9:12:21 AM

Quote :

"I would also suggest Reynolds if it has not been breached. No windows and it has a full training room and equipment supply in the basement."

Reynolds has windows on the ground floor...

4/17/2005 10:11:17 AM

Only in the offices and those are sealed off by doors to the hallway. The hallways are easily sealed off by doors on each end and you still have a secure basement in case of breach

4/17/2005 10:33:52 AM

Yeah military bases and such would pose a bit of a problem. Although food and ammunition would be plentiful, a major outbreak would be almost certain. Soldiers would be out looking for survivors, some of which could potentially be carrying the virus (or whatever). The wounded would be brought in for medical attention and suddenly, oh no, they're eating my brains.

So if you have a chance to get picked up by the army or something, you should probably be avoiding that. Way too many people, indiscriminately chosen and potentially infected.

Zombie magnet.

4/17/2005 11:40:23 AM

Most of the rooms in reynolds have windows. I would choose a better location like Carmichael or something. At least there there are only a couple of main entrances which can be sealed off and very few windows. But then they're lacking food.

I would think after the military realizes whats happening, they're have a quaranteen zone. If I were running the base, I would lock down... no one in, no one out. If it were a naval base, all ships would go out to sea.

4/17/2005 12:21:00 PM

Guard dogs would help out a lot too. German sheperd K-9 units that are trained to attack hostiles. Going with the Dawn of the Dead scenario, the zombies are only after human flesh. The dogs would definitely help out if you were being chased on foot.

Some kind of sheet metal shop would be an excellent place to raid. You would want to craft some sort of primitive armor. Zombies would not be able to bite through most types of sheet metal, so if you just rolled it around your arms and legs, and made some kind of breast plate, the only vulnerable points would be your joints, hands, neck, and head.


[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 12:52 PM. Reason : ]

4/17/2005 12:42:54 PM

haha i watched the 78 version of dawn of the dead last night

4/17/2005 2:31:23 PM

haha...i watched shaun of the dead last night

4/17/2005 2:39:50 PM

^^^ gotta be careful though, sheet metal is hella sharp. You would have to duct tape the edges and be very cautious not to cut yourself during construction.

^^ Ahh that's a good one. If you've never seen a man kill a zombie with a screwdriver, then you have never trully lived.

4/17/2005 2:40:22 PM

You people are not pulling in data from all the relevant undead documentaries out there.

Of particular importance, Army of Darkness.

Chainsaws and other lawn-tending equipment proved to be quite effective.

When it comes down to it, you just need this motherfucker to deal with the zombies:


[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 4:33 PM. Reason : fuck]

4/17/2005 4:33:18 PM

Ok. I've made a decision. I like the UT idea the best if we are trying to stay on/near campus. Like was mentioned earlier, there is food on the highest (safest) level. It would be easy to secure... There are windows and such on the first floor, but we could rig up a barrier of sorts to cover the windows in a short amount of time. If that failed, we could fall back to the second floor, and close down the stairs. on our way to the building, we could raid Sakura Express for rice, etc, if there was time.

Also, the dorm rooms would have to be systematically searched for A. food, and B. tools/supplies.

The main problems with UT that i see are
A. Residents. If the building is full, we would run out of supplies in no time. How would we get rid of them? trickery? force?

B. In the unlikely event that both our main defenses and our fallback defenses fail, we can only go up. There isn't an area that we would be able to construct any sort of armored escape vehicle, once the first floor is breached.

If we had time to travel elsewhere nearby, a good choice would be the tall round hotel downtown. it too has a restaurant at the top, but it is also stocked with a full bar (with flammable liquids). If the zombie event happened during a time when the hotel was not very full, the resident problem would be less. Also, if i'm not mistaken, there is a connected parking garage that could be protected and an armored vehicle could be constructed there.

4/17/2005 5:02:24 PM

i don't really know if i would want to stay in raleigh, much less on campus..

assuming the zombies are shamblers--
i think i'd probably hoof it out of the city during the initial crisis, before large numbers of zombies start to congegrate. that way i can get out while the shit hits the fan. along the way i'd probably loot some stores for supplies (get a fireman's axe as a good melee weapon, food, batteries, first aid kit?).

i'd get as far rural as i could, then i'd find a vehicle and head for the ocean, methinks.

4/17/2005 5:11:50 PM

the probem with that is going to be the roads. they will be rendered impassable in a very short time.

4/17/2005 5:16:25 PM

Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.

4/17/2005 5:19:34 PM

that's why i would go by foot initially. i'm talking about driving on rural roads here; there shouldn't be nearly as much congestion. and out in the country, if your car gets stuck, you can't be cornered by zombies.

however i should figure out a vehicle other than a car (say, a motorcycle or motocross bike) that is more maneuverable.

the key here is dexterity, being nimble. fortifying yourself is cornering yourself. being in a big group decreases mobility and increases the likelihood of what we see in romero's movies; that is, intergroup conflict. a partnership (preferably between a man and woman, so as to repopulate after the crisis) would work much better.

[Edited on April 17, 2005 at 5:23 PM. Reason : ..]

4/17/2005 5:19:36 PM

One wonders how many damn times we're going to have to repeat this:

YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DRIVE ANYWHERE.

The roads will be impassable. I'm sorry. Accept this fact.

Smath brings up an excellent point about the round hotel, which would work fine if we have the opportunity to get to it. In most respects it would be preferable to UT, which does have its crucial flaws (which Smath mentioned). Still, though, UT is likely better than most dormitories.

Wraith's point about fashioning armor was a good one as well. I said earlier that leather jackets alone wouldn't suffice, but in conjunction with several heavy layers they could probably make a more flexible suit of zombieproof armor than sheet metal (it would also lack the sharp edges). Still, you wouldn't want to go out of your way to engage the zombies, but if you're on defense or it's your last resort, it would be serviceable.

Guard dogs have their upshots, but we aren't likely to have access to a properly trained animal.

If there's one thing that zombie documentaries have taught me, it's that you can never trust the military or "quarantine zones" in the event of an outbreak. They always fail.

4/17/2005 5:22:21 PM

as much as having dogs around sounds good, they would waste VALUABLE food that would be at a premium.

Speaking of dogs, one of the better sources of food that people might not think to grab would be a big ass bag of dog food. it would taste like shit, but it has all the nutrients that are needed to live off of for a long period of time (they are designed to supply all of the needs for dogs, and we aren't that dissimilar to a dog.)

4/17/2005 5:25:42 PM