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"Her broken grammar and local slang may work in Alaska; but not in the main land."

I do not mind it. The substance of what she's actually saying isn't always comforting but the manner in which she delivers it does not bother me at all. I know I'll be called an idiot or whatever, but I actually prefer it over most politicians' style of speaking. I'm not sure that she would speak like that in every engagement anyways; the convention speech and the debate are for the people's benefit, not to impress any of her peers.

I'm referring mostly to her "slang" and colloquialisms, not the content.

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 10:41 AM. Reason : .]

10/3/2008 10:36:44 AM

That woman throws in parenthetical statements without any break in speaking. She is all over the place without complete thoughts.

10/3/2008 10:39:04 AM

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"I know I'll be called an idiot or whatever, but I actually prefer it over most politicians' style of speaking."

Agree. Hell, I've always found Bush's style appealing. If that dude ever makes a Western film, I'd be there on opening night.

10/3/2008 10:41:57 AM

Palin makes Bush look like a Rhodes Scholar.

10/3/2008 10:53:27 AM

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" Obama has a long history of working with Allison Davis, Tony Rezko, Mayor Daley and Illinois’ Democratic governor, Rod Blagojevich, to obtain government funding for housing development in Chicago. Davis, Rezko, Daley and others have, in return, helped fund Obama’s rise to political prominence. It has been classic, Chicago machine politics with the requirement that people "pay to play." Without the funding from political Godfathers like Tony Rezko, Obama’s career in politics would never have gotten off the ground. But without the aid of corrupt government officials, slumlords like Tony Rezko would never have made the money to contribute to politicians such as Obama, Daley and Blagojevich in the first place. The U.S. Attorney for Northern Illinois, Patrick Fitzgerald, has made quite a name for himself in recent years. He has successfully prosecuted Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff, Scooter Libby, and former Illinois Republican governor, George Ryan, within the past year. Fitzgerald also convicted several former members of Mayor Daley’s administration for "pervasive fraud" in city hiring practices. This spring he successfully concluded a trial against Tony Rezko, convicting him on multiple corruption charges. In Fitzgerald’s indictment of Rezko, he lists eight persons that he refers to as "Co-Schemers." Virtually all of these people have been major contributors to the political campaigns of Barack Obama, Rod Blagojevich and Richard Daley. Additionally, Fitzgerald’s indictment makes specific references to Blagojevich and Obama. The governor is referred to as "Public Official A" and the senator is called a "political candidate." "

Let's see if liberals cheer on Patrick Fitzgerald with his Rezko prosecution as much as they did with his Scooter Libby prosecution.


http://www.lewrockwell.com/tofte/tofte15.html

10/3/2008 11:05:52 AM

^ Those are pretty weak connections too, and w/o Obama being named directly, I doubt that gains much traction.

If you start attacking peopled based on their donors, then both sides are going to have people they disagree with. For this reason, I don't see McCain taking on this line of attack, which means the media will ignore it too.

10/3/2008 11:10:36 AM

OCTOBER SUPPLIES!!!!

10/3/2008 11:14:31 AM

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"did any of us say anything about exit polls?"

polls are polls and they don't mean much, whether its a telemarketing poll, an exit poll, an internet poll, whatever

10/3/2008 12:13:56 PM

^ Don't let a statistician hear you say that.

10/3/2008 12:24:21 PM

if a statistician put out a political poll i'm sure they'd be a lot more adamant than the networks at mentioning to the audience about standard deviation and margin of error and other things that "51 to 36" don't convey

also i have not changed my stance of a couple weeks ago that liberals already hate palin more than george bush, and for no good reason

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 12:30 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2008 12:29:09 PM

News stories typically bury those things as they bore the masses.

Check on it for yourself before declaring a poll invalid.

10/3/2008 12:30:57 PM

instead they entertain the masses with misleading numbers that dont factor in pertinent information

and i'll be glad to call any poll invalid...last time i checked polls don't get people elected, votes do

10/3/2008 12:32:31 PM

are you seriously arguing the validity of polls? Just because you think polls are full of shit doesn't mean they are.

10/3/2008 12:38:40 PM

tell me one thing i've said regarding polls thats incorrect

10/3/2008 12:39:12 PM

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"polls are polls and they don't mean much, whether its a telemarketing poll, an exit poll, an internet poll, whatever"

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"if a statistician put out a political poll i'm sure they'd be a lot more adamant than the networks at mentioning to the audience about standard deviation and margin of error and other things that "51 to 36" don't convey "

him, pollsters are statisticians. that's why they include methodology and cross tabs.

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2008 12:40:14 PM

do you not agree with GoldenViper that when poll numbers are reported on the news, they only report the numbers so as not to bore the public with important details?

10/3/2008 12:51:15 PM

none of which prevents people from looking at the poll. you lose still.

10/3/2008 12:52:03 PM

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"you lose still."

the polls say i win

10/3/2008 12:53:27 PM

what poll?

Your sophistry knows no bounds.

10/3/2008 12:53:55 PM

You can usually find that stuff if you dig, though. If you want to take issue with particular methodology, do so. But assuming the polls to be wrong automatically goes against my understanding of scientific protocol.

Of course, you're right that opinions shift and thus polls don't tell us what will happen on election day.

10/3/2008 12:55:07 PM

Polls are meaningless until they're a poll that you can utilize.

See: Any GOP speech ever.

Example:

Dick Cheney, circa 2003: 60% of Americans support the war

Dick Cheney, circa 2008: I don't use polls to make policy decisions

10/3/2008 12:55:19 PM

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"polls don't tell us what will happen on election day"

thats my point...its a very simple and valid point

10/3/2008 12:56:01 PM

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"you're right that opinions shift and thus polls don't tell us what will happen on election day. "

They are, however, an extremely good photograph for the thoughts and moods of people on a particular day.

10/3/2008 12:57:07 PM

We just need to give every American a PERCEPTION ANALYZER.

10/3/2008 12:58:52 PM

^^not always...how good of a photograph were election day 04 exit polls...they would lead people to believe that kerry was going to win, which he obviously didnt...so what does that say about how people are feeling on that particular day? they couldnt even figure out how people were feeling on the day they actually voted

10/3/2008 1:02:56 PM

Other than a few swing states, exit polls allowed the news agencies to call the various state wide elections the moment the polls closed.

The only boondogle state was Ohio and that was due to the polls remaining open longer than they were scheduled for and even then, the exit polls got it right.

You are going to have to come up with something a whole lot better than that.

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 1:05 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2008 1:04:40 PM

exit polls are conducted quite different than the tracking polls people are using now. It's completely asinine to compare them.

And speaking of polls... Obama is currently tied for his highest point ever in the polls (not his highest lead ever though): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM. Reason : ]

10/3/2008 2:05:56 PM

Exit polls are actually pretty accurate as they utilize infrence to create a fairly accurate model for the population using a random sample.

The current media polls though are flawed as they do not pick from a random sample. Although granted the exit polls are not purely random they are an order of magnitude greater though.

10/3/2008 2:58:42 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/

Looks like the Washington Post has NC as lean Obama?

10/3/2008 3:08:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSemkPChvHo

10/3/2008 5:42:38 PM

10/3/2008 8:32:21 PM

http://www.videosift.com/video/Palin-Katie-Couric-Annoyed-Me-So-I-Couldnt-Name-a-Case

"The Sarah Palin in those interviews was a little bit annoyed," she said. "It's like, man, no matter what you say, you are going to get clobbered. If you choose to answer a question, you are going to get clobbered on the answer. If you choose to try to pivot and go to another subject that you believe that Americans want to hear about, you get clobbered for that too."

I can see where she's coming from. With questions like "What newspapers do you read?" and "What supreme court cases can you name?" there isn't really a safe way to answer in her mind. She doesn't want to be judged based on the newspapers she reads and the court cases she brings up. But then to not answer at all could be even more damaging, as it likely was in her case.

She goes on to say that Kouric missed opportunities to ask more questions about her values, which I agree with to some extent, although one could argue that Palin herself missed the opportunity to explain her values by giving thoughtful answers to those questions. Chalk it up to her naivete.

10/4/2008 1:51:53 AM

^I think that's a pretty fair assessment. She even said in the VP debates that she preferred them much more to media butchered interviews where they can edit her comments to show whatever they want.

10/4/2008 12:37:21 PM

You're so fucking stupid.

Did you see Biden's answer to the Supreme Court question? He didn't dodge the shit at all, and he wasn't "clobbered" for his responses.

10/4/2008 1:18:23 PM

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"Polls are meaningless until they're a poll that you can utilize. See: Any GOP speech ever. Example: Dick Cheney, circa 2003: 60% of Americans support the war Dick Cheney, circa 2008: I don't use polls to make policy decisions"

hahahah

10/4/2008 1:26:10 PM

double. oops

[Edited on October 4, 2008 at 5:03 PM. Reason : ]

10/4/2008 5:02:19 PM

So Palin just brought up William Ayers.

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"This is someone who sees American as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country."

STRAIGHT TALK

The desperation has kicked in, apparently. Maybe McCarthy-esque tactics will help them out, but I doubt it.

[Edited on October 4, 2008 at 5:03 PM. Reason : ]

10/4/2008 5:03:28 PM

what sucks for obama is that mccain has nothing to lose so he can keep trying things and maybe get lucky

10/4/2008 5:15:42 PM

^^yup, the swift-boating has begun. desperation time indeed.

10/4/2008 5:35:06 PM

RAWR RAWR RAWN MY NAME IS SARAH PALIN AND I LACK INTELLECTUAL DEPTH AND A PLATFORM OF SUBSTANCE. I THEREFORE DIVERT ATTENTION AWAY FROM MY INEPTNESS BY ATTACKING OBAMA 24/7, CALLING MCCAIN A MAVERICK, SAYING THE WORD "CHANGE" EVERY OTHER LINE, AND ACCUSING THE LIBERAL MEDIA OF WORKING AGAINST ME. REMEMBER OBAMA IS A LIBERAL COMMIE BIG SPENDER TERRORIST SUPPORT. HE PLANS TO INCREASE GOV'T SPENDING LIKE THAT OTHER LIBERAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE GEORGE W. BUSH, OH EXCUSE ME, IT WAS THE DEMOCRAT CONGRESS'S FAULT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION HAS CONTINUOUSLY RAN AT A DEFICIT RAWR RAWR

[Edited on October 4, 2008 at 7:32 PM. Reason : L]

10/4/2008 7:27:37 PM

I'm gonna try to take an open minded approach. Please give me facts.

What is Obama's reltionship with Ayers?

Bill Ayers, although I share some of his ideaology being called a terrorist is a factual statement if you agree with "once a terrorist always a terrorist" since he was part of the planning and execution of several bombings. If indeed Obama "pals" with him then its a factual statement but hey, many important and highly heralded figures in American history were "terrorists".

But thats what I like about Obama. He will not just ignore someone just because he disagrees with him. There are things to learn from "paling" with anyone.

10/4/2008 7:52:31 PM

The difference between a terrorist, rebel, and freedom fighter is all relative.

10/4/2008 8:37:58 PM

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"What is Obama's reltionship with Ayers?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama%E2%80%93Ayers_controversy

It's an imagined issue. They served on some boards together, had a professional relationship, and happened to live in the same neighborhood. Ayers is now a professor at the University of Illinois. Seems like an upstanding citizen to me, despite his sordid (and distant) past. But the McCain camp would like to scare people by saying Obama is pals with a terrorist for his association. Well, then I guess the administration of the University of Illinois are pals with a terrorist, along with everyone else with whom he has had any sort of relationship.

10/4/2008 9:51:52 PM

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"The difference between a terrorist, rebel, and freedom fighter is all relative."

no, a terrorist tries to achieve their objective by, follow this, terrorizing and targeting the civilian populace. Rebels and freedom fighters do not, they target and fight militaries, usually with the aid of the civilian populace.

10/4/2008 9:52:51 PM

why does mccain/palin hate university professors...thats messed up man

10/4/2008 9:53:37 PM

I say we invade Illinois.

10/4/2008 9:53:47 PM

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"The difference between a terrorist, rebel, Maverick, and freedom fighter is all relative."

it's pretty sad that mccarthyism still works.

10/4/2008 10:10:32 PM

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"Rebels and freedom fighters do not, they target and fight militaries, usually with the aid of the civilian populace."

So you agree that half of the 9/11 hijackers were freedom fighters?

10/4/2008 10:14:33 PM

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"Palin says Obama pals with 'terrorists'"

CNN's top story right now.

She has to be hoping it will be misinterpreted in a fear-mongering sort of way by those who only hear headline news.

10/4/2008 10:21:44 PM

i know i few people who graduated from U of I

they are pals with terrorists

10/4/2008 11:30:19 PM