i just don't see how you can win online consistantly like that, I seem to have the worst luck online

9/23/2005 10:20:18 AM

I enjoy heads up games. Last night, I played a 7-stud hi-lo heads up tourney. I lost, but I really believe I outplayed the guy. He would constantly fish for the low hand and miraculously hit it. Twice I had the high hand dominated the entire way and would have won had I won the pot, but he just kept fishing and fishing and fishing for the low hand and split the pot both times. Frustrating, but that's OK.

9/23/2005 12:06:42 PM

its such a great feeling to have an unbeatable hand and watch other players try to bluff you off it. i had quad ladies a little while ago, and this guy kept trying to bluff with an ace high. eh well, made a tidy profit off him

9/23/2005 3:27:24 PM

So will you now please quit bitching about how you can never catch a hand?

9/23/2005 3:36:29 PM

dammit, quit spying on me. aren't you busy getting head or something

9/23/2005 3:41:52 PM

not yet, that's tonight, she's not off work yet

and plus, i'm sitting at home, what else am i going to do other than get on tww

haah

[Edited on September 23, 2005 at 3:44 PM. Reason : .]

9/23/2005 3:43:45 PM

what about some more tests to cheat on

9/23/2005 3:44:24 PM

it's not cheating if it's open notes, moron

haha

ok, enough, go back to talking about poker

9/23/2005 3:51:34 PM

One great thing about poker is it lets me talk to my computer more. I'm sure you've heard that talking to plants will often help them grow.... well talking to a computer is rumored to help it run better.

For instance, after I take a bad beat, and I'm all alone, my computer realizes just how big of an ass I can be. I really hope my computer realizes that I'm really not like that all the time, just when I lose to a total retard in a tournament who I will never see again to get my revenge.

My computer also gets to see me beg. I bet most of your computers get to see you beg too. For instance, you're heads up and both of you are all in. You flip over AJ and he flips over KJ. You guys are all liars (or maybe I am just a raging lunatic) if you don't admit to pleading with your computer to not see a K fall.

More "I talk to my computer" stories to come.

9/23/2005 6:20:14 PM

yeah i talk to mine too, but i also have a pencil i twirl while i'm playing, and when i get a bad beat, it usually takes a one way trip across the room

9/23/2005 6:28:59 PM

I used to talk/scream/throw things, now I just smoke a cigarette every time I get shitted on.

9/23/2005 6:33:53 PM

I keep a deck of cards nearby and shuffle them as I play, like i would in a real game. They go flying when I get a bad beat.

And I'm pretty sure my computer only knows words like "no ace, NO ACE!" 'cause that's all it hears

[Edited on September 23, 2005 at 6:36 PM. Reason : ]

9/23/2005 6:36:01 PM

^4 I plead more with the pp software than the computer itself, the computer is just a pawn

9/23/2005 7:38:00 PM

I have the Jack of hearts and the king of spades sitting in front of my keyboards as well as two threes. When I take a bad beat, I pick one of the piles and laugh because either I've got crabs or Jack-King Off

9/23/2005 7:51:33 PM

ive broken three mice, broke one keyboard tray off a desk, and a box got demolished.

My g/f says i cant bitch at her anymore for poker. now we just dont talk at all.

I love card rushes.

3 hours of stagnant poker, being up ~$20...

3 tabling $100 pot limit omaha 8/b

in 4 hands busted two people, one a huge scoop, the other with AA24double suited......

and losing $50 in a pot in between those hands, and still being up ~$275 in about 5 minutes....

after hours of waiting for hands, redemption.



The scoop was beautiful.

2h3d9sTs in the BB, 6 limpers, i check.

flop comes Ah 6s 8s

about as perfect as i could wish for. i bet the pot, get repoted, i call. turn a nice, beautiful red 7h. i pot, gets repotted, i got all in.. he calls with AA4J, phenominal.

Th on the river.

skreeet.

This brings up another interesting point of rambling. when playing a split pot game, freerolling on some unsuspecting guy is awesome. leaves their heads spinning.

[Edited on September 23, 2005 at 8:26 PM. Reason : freerolls!]

9/23/2005 8:17:45 PM

as a matter of fact, another lesson of split pot games, ALWAYS GO FOR THE WHOLE POT!

PokerStars Game #2644945530: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/09/23 - 20:28:05 (ET)
Table 'Callisto' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Sugar5 ($62.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Pot Limit ($34 in chips)
Seat 3: mustafa ($152.80 in chips)
Seat 4: WineAdvisor ($34.45 in chips)
Seat 5: Kinojing ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Warlock10k ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 7: SHUNK ($37.15 in chips)
Seat 8: modoc ($100.45 in chips)
Seat 9: pilgrimshoes ($97.65 in chips)
Pot Limit: posts small blind $0.50
mustafa: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Ad 6c 2d 3c]
WineAdvisor: folds
Kinojing: folds
Warlock10k: calls $1
SHUNK: folds
modoc: folds
pilgrimshoes: raises $2 to $3
Sugar5: folds
Pot Limit: folds
mustafa: calls $2
Warlock10k: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [2h Kh 4d]
mustafa: checks
Warlock10k: bets $2
pilgrimshoes: calls $2
mustafa: folds
*** TURN *** [2h Kh 4d] [Jd]
Warlock10k: bets $7
pilgrimshoes: calls $7
*** RIVER *** [2h Kh 4d Jd] [6d]
Warlock10k: bets $18
pilgrimshoes: raises $18 to $36
Warlock10k: raises $39 to $75
pilgrimshoes: raises $10.65 to $85.65 and is all-in
Warlock10k: calls $10.50 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pilgrimshoes: shows [Ad 6c 2d 3c] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 6,4,3,2,A)
Warlock10k: shows [2c 3d 5d As] (HI: a flush, Jack high; LO: 6,4,3,2,A)
pilgrimshoes collected $97.75 from pot
Warlock10k collected $48.90 from pot
pilgrimshoes collected $48.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $198.50 | Rake $3
Board [2h Kh 4d Jd 6d]
Seat 1: Sugar5 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Pot Limit (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: mustafa (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: WineAdvisor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Kinojing folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Warlock10k showed [2c 3d 5d As] and won ($48.90) with HI: a flush, Jack high; LO: 6,4,3,2,A
Seat 7: SHUNK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: modoc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pilgrimshoes showed [Ad 6c 2d 3c] and won ($146.60) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 6,4,3,2,A


pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 ad 6c 2d 3c - as 2c 3d 5d
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
6c 3c Ad 2d 175554 299455 106052 94493 7426 29275 197557 0.651
As 2c 5d 3d 51734 106052 299455 94493 33470 3423 197557 0.349

[Edited on September 23, 2005 at 8:34 PM. Reason : yeeee stats]

9/23/2005 8:32:20 PM

***** Hand History for Game 2764795631 *****
1/2 Texas Hold'em Game Table (Limit) - Fri Sep 23 23:55:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 41367 (9 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: NIck6565 ( $49)
Seat 2: bcscb ( $53)
Seat 3: redbull133 ( $17.25)
Seat 4: Heffay45 ( $46.25)
Seat 5: Pip321 ( $74.50)
Seat 6: sjm18 ( $42.26)
Seat 7: germanweezer ( $79)
Seat 8: plainuts ( $42.25)
Seat 9: gmdeso ( $49.75)
germanweezer posts small blind (0.50)
plainuts posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bcscb [ Kd, Jc ]
gmdeso folds.
NIck6565 folds.
bcscb calls (1)
redbull133 calls (1)
Heffay45 folds.
Pip321 calls (1)
sjm18 folds.
germanweezer folds.
plainuts checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qd, 2d, Ah ]
plainuts bets (1)
bcscb calls (1)
redbull133 folds.
Pip321 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Tc ]
plainuts bets (2)
bcscb calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ad ]
plainuts bets (2)
bcscb raises (4) to 4
plainuts raises (4) to 6
bcscb calls (2)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $21.50 | Rake: $1
Board: [ Qd 2d Ah Tc Ad ]
NIck6565 balance $49, didn't bet (folded)
bcscb balance $43, lost $10 [ Kd Jc ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ah,Kd,Qd,Jc,Tc ]
redbull133 balance $16.25, lost $1 (folded)
Heffay45 balance $46.25, didn't bet (folded)
Pip321 balance $73.50, lost $1 (folded)
sjm18 balance $42.26, didn't bet (folded)
germanweezer balance $78.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
plainuts balance $53.75, bet $10, collected $21.50, net +$11.50 [ 2h Ac ] [ a full house, Aces full of twos -- Ac,Ah,Ad,2h,2d ]
gmdeso balance $49.75, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2764801432 *****
redbull133 has left the table.
1/2 Texas Hold'em Game Table (Limit) - Fri Sep 23 23:56:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 41367 (9 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: NIck6565 ( $49)
Seat 2: bcscb ( $43)
Seat 4: Heffay45 ( $46.25)
Seat 5: Pip321 ( $73.50)
Seat 6: sjm18 ( $42.26)
Seat 7: germanweezer ( $78.50)
Seat 8: plainuts ( $53.75)
Seat 9: gmdeso ( $49.75)
plainuts posts small blind (0.50)
gmdeso posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bcscb [ Ad, As ]
NIck6565 calls (1)
bcscb raises (2) to 2
Heffay45 folds.
Pip321 folds.
sjm18 folds.
germanweezer folds.
plainuts folds.
gmdeso calls (1)
NIck6565 calls (1)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, Ac, 2d ]
gmdeso bets (1)
NIck6565 folds.
bcscb calls (1)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qs ]
gmdeso bets (2)
bcscb raises (4) to 4
gmdeso calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Jc ]
gmdeso bets (2)
bcscb raises (4) to 4
gmdeso calls (2)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $23.50 | Rake: $1
Board: [ Td Ac 2d Qs Jc ]
NIck6565 balance $47, lost $2 (folded)
bcscb balance $32, lost $11 [ Ad As ] [ three of a kind, aces -- Ad,As,Ac,Qs,Jc ]
Heffay45 balance $46.25, didn't bet (folded)
Pip321 balance $73.50, didn't bet (folded)
sjm18 balance $42.26, didn't bet (folded)
germanweezer balance $78.50, didn't bet (folded)
plainuts balance $53.25, lost $0.50 (folded)
gmdeso balance $62.25, bet $11, collected $23.50, net +$12.50 [ 9d 8d ] [ a straight, eight to queen -- Qs,Jc,Td,9d,8d ]







back to back
Run those stats for me pilgrim

9/24/2005 12:36:04 AM

The first one had 10 outs at the river... needed the board to pair.

The second one had 10 as well.... 7 diamonds (not the A or Q) or the other 3 Jacks. Catching runner runner is brutal, but he wasn't all that bad off.

People will chase like that anytime in a limit game.

9/24/2005 1:36:18 AM

OK this is the only place I can admit this.

I have been on a very good poker winning streak recently. As a tradition, after each tournament victory (I have been playing 4 person heads-up tournies only,) I play the Notre Dame fight song. Additionally, I have only been playing either after I wake up or after I take a nap, that way I am 100% alert and rested. I have won 6 in a row. Keep in mind that this is 12 straight heads-up matches.

I almost lost early as I was way down after A7 offsuit sucked out against JJ on an early all-in. Fortunately, I had the chip lead at the time and about 1,200 chips left over (out of 6,000 total). Here are the ESPN highlight hands:

The first match wasn't too eventful. I bullied him around for the first few hands and built a small chip lead, and then caught KK and limped. He had an A in the hole, and wouldn't let it go. An easy win.

*********** # 8 **************
PokerStars Game #2648299391: Tournament #12953324, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2005/09/24 - 05:11:25 (ET)
Table '12953324 2' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Jhool10 (1360 in chips)
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (1640 in chips)
WVJim1979: posts small blind 10
Jhool10: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WVJim1979 [Kc Ks]
WVJim1979: calls 10
Jhool10: raises 40 to 60
WVJim1979: raises 220 to 280
Jhool10: raises 220 to 500
WVJim1979: raises 1140 to 1640 and is all-in
Jhool10: calls 860 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [3h Jc Td]
*** TURN *** [3h Jc Td] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [3h Jc Td Qc] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jhool10: shows [Ah 5h] (a pair of Queens)
WVJim1979: shows [Kc Ks] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
WVJim1979 collected 2720 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2720 | Rake 0
Board [3h Jc Td Qc Qs]
Seat 1: Jhool10 (big blind) showed [Ah 5h] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (button) (small blind) showed [Kc Ks] and won (2720) with two pair, Kings and Queens

Like I said, the second match had some ups and downs. I noticed a betting pattern from the onset where he would minimum raise preflop, minimum raise after the flop, and then throw out a pot sized bet on the turn. I let him get away with it twice, and then reraised him with nothing (actually a gutshot) the third time.

*********** # 26 **************
PokerStars Game #2648321941: Tournament #12953324, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level I (20/40) - 2005/09/24 - 05:21:58 (ET)
Table '12953324 2' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: WVJim1979 (3140 in chips)
Seat 2: chrisicc (2860 in chips)
chrisicc: posts small blind 20
WVJim1979: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WVJim1979 [7h 8c]
chrisicc: raises 40 to 80
WVJim1979: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [4d 6c Ad]
WVJim1979: checks
chrisicc: bets 40
WVJim1979: calls 40
*** TURN *** [4d 6c Ad] [6d]
WVJim1979: checks
chrisicc: bets 400
WVJim1979: raises 720 to 1120
chrisicc: folds
WVJim1979 collected 1040 from pot
WVJim1979: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1040 | Rake 0
Board [4d 6c Ad 6d]
Seat 1: WVJim1979 (big blind) collected (1040)
Seat 2: chrisicc (button) (small blind) folded on the Turn

I think that hand pissed him off. Two hands later is the A7 vs JJ suckout. I definitely want people to make this call every time, but sometimes the A comes. Sometimes ya just know it will too.

*********** # 28 **************
PokerStars Game #2648323785: Tournament #12953324, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level I (20/40) - 2005/09/24 - 05:22:52 (ET)
Table '12953324 2' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: WVJim1979 (3640 in chips)
Seat 2: chrisicc (2360 in chips)
chrisicc: posts small blind 20
WVJim1979: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WVJim1979 [Js Jd]
chrisicc: raises 40 to 80
WVJim1979: raises 440 to 520
chrisicc: raises 1840 to 2360 and is all-in
WVJim1979: calls 1840
*** FLOP *** [Ad 3d Qs]
*** TURN *** [Ad 3d Qs] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 3d Qs 4s] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WVJim1979: shows [Js Jd] (a pair of Jacks)
chrisicc: shows [As 7d] (a pair of Aces)
chrisicc collected 4720 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4720 | Rake 0
Board [Ad 3d Qs 4s 5c]
Seat 1: WVJim1979 (big blind) showed [Js Jd] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: chrisicc (button) (small blind) showed [As 7d] and won (4720) with a pair of Aces

Here's the hand that really got me back in the game. Why did I call you ask? Simple, I didn't put him on the A. He was a bully, and bullies try and buy pots that they don't deserve. Sometimes I'm wrong, but luckily this time I was right. Obviously I didn't think my 8 high was good after the flop, but I considered 6, 7, or 8 an out. Plus, I didn't need outs because I was pushing my stack after the turn if one of those cards didn't hit (aint position a great thing?)


*********** # 40 **************
PokerStars Game #2648329379: Tournament #12953324, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level I (20/40) - 2005/09/24 - 05:25:37 (ET)
Table '12953324 2' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: WVJim1979 (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: chrisicc (4520 in chips)
chrisicc: posts small blind 20
WVJim1979: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WVJim1979 [8h 7h]
chrisicc: raises 40 to 80
WVJim1979: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9c 5c]
WVJim1979: checks
chrisicc: bets 40
WVJim1979: calls 40
*** TURN *** [Ah 9c 5c] [7d]
WVJim1979: checks
chrisicc: bets 400
WVJim1979: calls 400
*** RIVER *** [Ah 9c 5c 7d] [5s]
WVJim1979: checks
chrisicc: bets 4000 and is all-in
WVJim1979: calls 960 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
chrisicc: shows [Tc Js] (a pair of Fives)
WVJim1979: shows [8h 7h] (two pair, Sevens and Fives)
chrisicc said, "nice"
WVJim1979 collected 2960 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2960 | Rake 0
Board [Ah 9c 5c 7d 5s]
Seat 1: WVJim1979 (big blind) showed [8h 7h] and won (2960) with two pair, Sevens and Fives
Seat 2: chrisicc (button) (small blind) showed [Tc Js] and lost with a pair of Fives

This was truly the hand that won it for me. Once again he pushes all-in. I guess when people online push all-in I don't like to believe them. Sometimes this kills me, but more often than not, they are desperately trying to win a pot they shouldn't be in. I'll admit, I didn't think flush draw when he did it this time. I thought, low pocket pair. I didn't think he had the A, because the A would be afraid of the 8 on the turn. If he has the 8, no way he pushes. In retrospect, I should have thought about the flush draw, but I would have called either way.

*********** # 60 **************
PokerStars Game #2648340257: Tournament #12953324, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level II (30/60) - 2005/09/24 - 05:31:00 (ET)
Table '12953324 2' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: WVJim1979 (2920 in chips)
Seat 2: chrisicc (3080 in chips)
chrisicc: posts small blind 30
WVJim1979: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WVJim1979 [3s As]
chrisicc: raises 60 to 120
WVJim1979: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Ac 4d 8h]
WVJim1979: checks
chrisicc: bets 600
WVJim1979: calls 600
*** TURN *** [Ac 4d 8h] [8c]
WVJim1979: checks
chrisicc: bets 2360 and is all-in
WVJim1979: calls 2200 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Ac 4d 8h 8c] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WVJim1979: shows [3s As] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
chrisicc: shows [Tc Kc] (a pair of Eights)
WVJim1979 collected 5840 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5840 | Rake 0
Board [Ac 4d 8h 8c 5d]
Seat 1: WVJim1979 (big blind) showed [3s As] and won (5840) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 2: chrisicc (button) (small blind) showed [Tc Kc] and lost with a pair of Eights

I easily eliminated him within a few hands after this last hand. This was one of the more stressful tournaments for me. I enjoy heads up, because I like to isolate my opponent 1-1. I am really not patient enough to play a 500 player multi-table online. I think I have ADD. Obviously Match 1 was easy, as it only lasted 8 hands. Match 2 lasted 62 hands, which is a whole lot more. Luckily, I didn't let the initial bad beat throw me off, and I was still able to play "my game". Well, I think I'll go for tourney win #7 in a little while.

[Edited on September 24, 2005 at 6:15 AM. Reason : boldness]

9/24/2005 6:15:18 AM

Jim, lets play HU sometime.

2 out of 3..

it may have to be somewhere other than stars, it would be hard to both get on the same table consistantly.




[Edited on September 24, 2005 at 10:04 AM. Reason : e ]

9/24/2005 10:04:02 AM

Grandmaster:

hand 1, preflop.
pokenum -h kd jc - ac 2h
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jc Kd 718557 41.96 984433 57.49 9314 0.54 0.422
Ac 2h 984433 57.49 718557 41.96 9314 0.54 0.578

postflop
pokenum -h kd jc - ac 2h -- qd 2d ah
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Qd 2d Ah
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jc Kd 188 18.99 802 81.01 0 0.00 0.190
Ac 2h 802 81.01 188 18.99 0 0.00 0.810

after the trun
pokenum -h kd jc - ac 2h -- qd 2d ah tc
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing Tc Qd 2d Ah
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jc Kd 40 90.91 4 9.09 0 0.00 0.909
Ac 2h 4 9.09 40 90.91 0 0.00 0.091

(you should be in ram and jam mode here, he is committed and will call your reraise, maybe even reraise you. This is a better play than smooth calling. You must be hyper aggro at the 1/2 tables.. It sucks he hit, but you didnt put any seed of doubt in his mind he had the best hand. Raising on the river, when you no longer have the best hand was a bit too late. knowing how anyace will do in the 1/2, i would have just called. good line on the hand overall though.)


DrOldSchool, notice he doesnt need the board to pair, only an Ace or 2.

Hand 2

PF

pokenum -h ad as - 9d 8d
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ad 1340884 78.31 364750 21.30 6670 0.39 0.785
9d 8d 364750 21.30 1340884 78.31 6670 0.39 0.215

post flop
pokenum -h ad as - 9d 8d -- ac 2d td
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ac Td 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ad 744 75.15 246 24.85 0 0.00 0.752
9d 8d 246 24.85 744 75.15 0 0.00 0.248

Again, you didnt raise..... you CANNOT slow play in low limit online holdem.

after the turn,
pokenum -h ad as - 9d 8d -- ac 2d td qs
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing Qs Ac Td 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ad 34 77.27 10 22.73 0 0.00 0.773
9d 8d 10 22.73 34 77.27 0 0.00 0.227

You again raise when you may not have the best hand. granted if he hit his gutshot, you have a nice redraw, but i dont like this play. make him pay the full price to chase the flush down.... i may have even checkraised the flop, but that is a bit too obvious play for a set.. this is read dependant. at the point where he gets raised, hes got a diamond draw (granted its non-nut, but its good in this case) and a gutshot. hes getting 3:1 odds on his hand, and with that raise, its costs him $2 into a $14 pot (negating rake). hes getting 7:1 on a 3:1 hand. even if he is subtracting outs (as he should) for a non-nut flush draw, he has to call here. the pot is too large. if he puts you on a bare broadway, hes got you nailed if he flushes the river, and knows he can get more bets out. There is also no way i would have reraised him on the river. call and weep. but thats just me. Granted he also was quite silly for over playing his hand with the ass end of a straight, with 4 to the higher straight on the board.

Grandmaster, Im not trying to demean the way you played the hand whatsoever, im only trying to offer constructive criticism as to how i would have played the hand. Hand discussions are a key and integral way to learn more about the game. I in no way claim to be a very good player, but I have read and studied the game a whole lot. Take this as only trying to help out my fellow NCStaters develope a rock solid game.

I wish there was more posting like this, and FeebleMinded's post above in this thread... more actual discussion and strategy play than bad beat stories.

but thats just me.

9/24/2005 10:23:54 AM

Quote :

"Jim, lets play HU sometime. 2 out of 3.. it may have to be somewhere other than stars, it would be hard to both get on the same table consistantly."

Hehe. I am gonna stroke my ego here and make myself believe that you wanna play because you think it'd be a good match, and not because you think you'd own me.

9/24/2005 10:37:52 AM

^^ oops

9/24/2005 3:44:35 PM

^^ oh no no, i think itd be a great match.

speaking of which, we should get together a forum challenge. add up all the people interested, randomly select a bracket, and then the two in each match schedule their matches on their own time. 1 week limit per round, matches 2 out of 3 in $5 headup SNG's..


that'd be pretty hot..

I participated in somehting like this in another forum, and it went over really really well.. you just have to make sure that penalties are in place for missing matches...


there were many spectators for each round, and it was a whole lot of fun..

anyone else interested???

9/24/2005 3:55:39 PM

I would be for sure.

I think I have played with you once a long long time ago. Like my second ever tourney. I remember it was out at your apartment in Cary off of Jones Franklin Rd. It was like you, me, Jon Turner, and I think Jake. This was a long long time ago. I wonder if I still have the post, because it was a Tdub thing.

9/24/2005 4:44:02 PM

Haha... yeah, one of my first pm's ever:

12/5/2003 11:20:49 PM

From : pilgrimshoes
To : JonTurner, pilgrimshoes, FeebleMinded

You have kinda long hair, right?

9/24/2005 4:46:29 PM

^now thats old school

Turner actually IMed me last night......nice to connect with the old people

[Edited on September 24, 2005 at 5:46 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2005 5:46:23 PM

And the Notre Dame fight song plays again. 7 tourney wins, making it 14 straight heads-up matches that I have been victorious in. Woot. I always try and pride myself with always making the right read, making the right play. Sometimes I am wrong, and I actually sucked out on a guy (OK not sexual at all) in the final pairing to stay alive.

This player may have been the worst player I have ever seen. She (of course it's a woman... haha) actually had a rather large chip lead on me, as you will see. Here's the very first hand. Notice the small raise and then the HUGE bet on the flop. I knew I had a fish right then (heck I knew I had a fish when she raised me the minimum amount).

Transcript for tournament #12971629 requested by WVJim1979 (jimbrooks1@hotmail.com)
*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #2651471546: Tournament #12971629, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2005/09/24 - 17:41:33 (ET)
Table '12971629 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: marjelle (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (1500 in chips)
marjelle: posts small blind 10
WVJim1979: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WVJim1979 [Td 9s]
marjelle: raises 20 to 40
WVJim1979: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9d 2h]
WVJim1979: checks
marjelle: bets 1000
WVJim1979: folds
marjelle collected 80 from pot
marjelle: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 80 | Rake 0
Board [Ah 9d 2h]
Seat 1: marjelle (button) (small blind) collected (80)
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (big blind) folded on the Flop

Here's the suckout. I might have called an all-in on the river. Luckily she didn't put me in that predicament.

*********** # 6 **************
PokerStars Game #2651485272: Tournament #12971629, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2005/09/24 - 17:43:28 (ET)
Table '12971629 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: marjelle (1430 in chips)
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (1570 in chips)
WVJim1979: posts small blind 10
marjelle: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WVJim1979 [9s Jh]
WVJim1979: calls 10
marjelle: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h 8c 3s]
marjelle: bets 140
WVJim1979: calls 140
*** TURN *** [9h 8c 3s] [Jd]
marjelle: checks
WVJim1979: bets 560
marjelle: calls 560
*** RIVER *** [9h 8c 3s Jd] [Qc]
marjelle: bets 220
WVJim1979: calls 220
*** SHOW DOWN ***
marjelle: shows [2s Td] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
WVJim1979: mucks hand
marjelle collected 1880 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1880 | Rake 0
Board [9h 8c 3s Jd Qc]
Seat 1: marjelle (big blind) showed [2s Td] and won (1880) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (button) (small blind) mucked [9s Jh]

The rest of Match #1 was just me sitting back, letting her take huge stabs at pots with nothing. I folded if I didn't have at least middle pair, but she let me see every flop for free (or an occasional minimum raise) so I just waited until I caught something and called her ridiculous bet. The last hand of our match was of interest because she bluffed on the river, then called my all-in with 4 high. A true disgrace to poker. I would have been ashamed had I lost.

*********** # 17 **************
PokerStars Game #2651522119: Tournament #12971629, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2005/09/24 - 17:48:35 (ET)
Table '12971629 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: marjelle (630 in chips)
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (2370 in chips)
marjelle: posts small blind 10
WVJim1979: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WVJim1979 [Kd Jd]
marjelle: calls 10
WVJim1979: checks
*** FLOP *** [As 2d Th]
WVJim1979: checks
marjelle: checks
*** TURN *** [As 2d Th] [Js]
WVJim1979: checks
marjelle: bets 120
WVJim1979: calls 120
*** RIVER *** [As 2d Th Js] [Jh]
WVJim1979: checks
marjelle: bets 300
WVJim1979: raises 300 to 600
marjelle: calls 190 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WVJim1979: shows [Kd Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
marjelle: shows [4c 3s] (a pair of Jacks)
WVJim1979 collected 1260 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1260 | Rake 0
Board [As 2d Th Js Jh]
Seat 1: marjelle (button) (small blind) showed [4c 3s] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (big blind) showed [Kd Jd] and won (1260) with three of a kind, Jacks

In Match #2, I played another poor player. Once again, he liked to raise the minimum amount, and once again I ended up in a rather large hole after he called with a big preflop raise with 64 offsuit and then another large raise with an inside straight draw. I was paralyzed after the first 2 quick calls, so I took my ball and went home for the rest of the hand. Granted, I was raising with QJ suited, which is far from an awesome hand. I like to look back and see if a hand was winable. I think my bets were solid amounts. I don't know that he would have folded on the turn with top pair, and it would have been really ballsy to go all-in on the river with him being so pot committed. The A might have scared him away, but live and play another day.

*********** # 41 **************
PokerStars Game #2651577061: Tournament #12971629, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level I (20/40) - 2005/09/24 - 17:56:14 (ET)
Table '12971629 2' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Rt1977 (2440 in chips)
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (3560 in chips)
WVJim1979: posts small blind 20
Rt1977: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WVJim1979 [Jh Qh]
WVJim1979: raises 160 to 200
Rt1977: calls 160
*** FLOP *** [2d 3d 2s]
Rt1977: checks
WVJim1979: bets 350
Rt1977: calls 350
*** TURN *** [2d 3d 2s] [4c]
Rt1977: checks
WVJim1979: bets 650
Rt1977: calls 650
*** RIVER *** [2d 3d 2s 4c] [As]
Rt1977: checks
WVJim1979: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rt1977: shows [6d 4h] (two pair, Fours and Deuces)
WVJim1979: mucks hand
Rt1977 collected 2400 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2400 | Rake 0
Board [2d 3d 2s 4c As]
Seat 1: Rt1977 (big blind) showed [6d 4h] and won (2400) with two pair, Fours and Deuces
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (button) (small blind) mucked [Jh Qh]

I clawed my way back a bit, but I was still down. This is where I definitely deserved to lose the tournament, but hey, when you're hot, you're hot. Also, I really don't feel bad after that bitchass suckout he had earlier in the match. Keep in mind, I would NEVER have called an all-in at this point with A4 offsuit, I was merely trying to steal his minimum raise. I guess that is one small perk to minimum raises is that sometimes you get people to be overly aggressive with their reraises. But I figured I'd post this, because like I said, we can't always make the right play. I just got really lucky.

*********** # 86 **************
PokerStars Game #2651673327: Tournament #12971629, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level III (50/100) - 2005/09/24 - 18:09:42
(ET)
Table '12971629 2' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Rt1977 (3620 in chips)
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (2380 in chips)
Rt1977: posts small blind 50
WVJim1979: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WVJim1979 [4s Ac]
Rt1977: raises 100 to 200
WVJim1979: raises 2180 to 2380 and is all-in
Rt1977: calls 2180
*** FLOP *** [8c 3h 4d]
*** TURN *** [8c 3h 4d] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [8c 3h 4d 7d] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WVJim1979: shows [4s Ac] (a pair of Fours)
Rt1977: shows [Ah Qc] (high card Ace)
WVJim1979 collected 4760 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4760 | Rake 0
Board [8c 3h 4d 7d Ts]
Seat 1: Rt1977 (button) (small blind) showed [Ah Qc] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: WVJim1979 (big blind) showed [4s Ac] and won (4760) with a pair of Fours

That won it for me. I think of myself as a pretty good online player (nobody wins 14 matches in a row without some skills). But once I get a chiplead, my opponent is in trouble. The only way to get out of a hole is continuous preflop all-ins, and when my opponent keeps up with his minimum raise strategy, he's done for. The matchplay streak should have ended at (unlucky?) 13, but a rogue 4 kept me alive. This guy was pretty typical of online players; likes to fish, likes to see expensive flops, and likes to throw a big bet on the river. They are very beatable, luckily. Anyways, take care all, and hope I'm not boring you too much (I'm on vacation).

[Edited on September 24, 2005 at 6:53 PM. Reason : is si]

9/24/2005 6:49:27 PM

i'm game for the tourney

9/24/2005 9:24:44 PM

Damn I got down to the last sentence of that and now i'm playing online in a heads up game.

9/24/2005 9:43:08 PM

i just thought i caught a straight and called all-in over in 2 hands

9/24/2005 9:47:43 PM

Sigh, the streak is over. Lost in the second match against a pretty solid player. I lost most of my stack on a huge bluff on a missed flush draw. I bet the flop and he called with bottom pair, then he caught his second pair on the turn (eek). My flush didn't hit on the river, but the board did pair up, giving him just 2 pair with a weak kicker. Unfortunately, he called a bet about 2 times the size of the pot (a good call I guess) and took me down to about 700 in chips (of 6000 total). Never really recovered.

9/25/2005 8:06:37 PM

Quote :

"ive broken three mice, broke one keyboard tray off a desk, and a box got demolished."

Well shee-it.

Never done anything violent after a bad hand.

Just shit talk a bit.

9/25/2005 8:22:39 PM

Hand #8513504-3169 at Cuzco (No Limit Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 25/Sep/05 21:32:37

BigBall4Life is at seat 0 with $27.80.
jessie33 is at seat 1 with $19.35.
dmccbw is at seat 2 with $63.75.
runningtens is at seat 3 with $55.45 (sitting out).
Slapberto is at seat 6 with $32.85.
burrhead17 is at seat 7 with $11.70.
RVoegele is at seat 8 with $21.20.
coolwater711 is at seat 9 with $27.70.
The button is at seat 2.

Slapberto posts the small blind of $.25.
burrhead17 posts the big blind of $.50.

BigBall4Life: -- --
jessie33: -- --
dmccbw: -- --
Slapberto: -- --
burrhead17: -- --
RVoegele: Qc Qd
coolwater711: -- --

Pre-flop:

RVoegele calls. coolwater711 folds. BigBall4Life
folds. jessie33 folds. dmccbw raises to $2.25.
Slapberto folds. burrhead17 goes all-in for $11.70.
RVoegele goes all-in for $21.20. dmccbw calls.

Flop (board: 7s Qh Ks):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: 7s Qh Ks Qs):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 7s Qh Ks Qs As):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

RVoegele shows Qc Qd.
RVoegele has Qc Qd Qh Qs As: four queens.
dmccbw mucks cards.
(dmccbw has 5d 6d.)
burrhead17 shows 9h 9s.
burrhead17 has 9s 7s Ks Qs As: flush, ace high.


Hand #8513504-3169 Summary:

$2.70 is raked from a total pot of $54.35.
$1.75 is raked from the main pot of $35.35.
$.95 is raked from side pot #1 of $19.
RVoegele wins the main pot $33.60 with four queens.
RVoegele wins the side pot $18.05 with four queens.
----------------------------------------------------------------




woot

9/25/2005 9:35:17 PM

last hand of a 2 table sng, only 18 bucks difference between 1st and 2nd, but still, this sucks

FullTiltPoker Game #231114243: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (1475808), Table 1 - 400/800 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:32:36 ET - 2005/09/25
Seat 6: tomloes (10,935)
Seat 9: pgec3 (16,065)
tomloes posts the small blind of 400
pgec3 posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tomloes [Qh Kh]
tomloes raises to 2,000
pgec3 calls 1,200
*** FLOP *** [2c 9d Qc]
pgec3 checks
tomloes bets 2,000
pgec3 raises to 8,000
tomloes raises to 8,935, and is all in
pgec3 calls 935
tomloes shows [Qh Kh]
pgec3 shows [Qs 3c]
*** TURN *** [2c 9d Qc] [3h]
pgec3: lol
*** RIVER *** [2c 9d Qc 3h] [Ts]
tomloes shows a pair of Queens
pgec3 shows two pair, Queens and Threes
pgec3 wins the pot (21,870) with two pair, Queens and Threes
tomloes stands up
pgec3 stands up
pgec3 (Observer): sorry, gg
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 21,870 | Rake 0
Board: [2c 9d Qc 3h Ts]
Seat 6: tomloes (small blind) showed [Qh Kh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: pgec3 (big blind) showed [Qs 3c] and won (21,870) with two pair, Queens and Threes

9/25/2005 10:53:26 PM

I do NOT understand how someone can be as unlucky as I am, I swear to god. You can ask my friend, I had the shittiest cards for 3 hours, won maybe 3 hands, against a group that did not know how to play. He comes out $10 up, and I'm down $3. You know why? Cause people just call for the fuck of it and catch all these miracle plays. And so many times, my two pair loses to your three of a kind, my three of a kind loses to your flush...I just don't get it. I CANNOT win at poker, and it's absolutely frustrating. The odds of someone being this unlucky have got to rival the lottery odds, it's not even funny anymore.

I understand having a bad night, or a bad run, but constantly? over and over and over and over, against people that DON'T EVEN FUCKING KNOW THE RULES TO THE GAME?????

i'm sorry, i just have to fucking rant, i'm seriously considering walking away from the game for good, because there is no enjoyment/profit in it for me anymore. If it was 50/50, or 60/40, I would be ok, and realize that was how odds work. But it's seriously about a 20/80 ratio of good hands to bad, and there's a 3:1 chance at all times, no matter what, that no matter how good my hand is, someone has caught some shit on the river and will beat whatever hand I should have won with.

[Edited on September 27, 2005 at 1:13 AM. Reason : AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGG]

9/27/2005 1:08:32 AM

drovkin: have you read a decent book on poker. there are lots of reasons why those "unlucky" happen and its not always luck.

9/27/2005 1:11:42 AM

goddamnit. I hate getting pocket 9s when I'm the short stack trying to make the money and someone else gets pocket tens

9/27/2005 1:22:25 AM

so ive been taking a shot at a $600plo8 table.

nothing substantial yet.


and its been 2 hours.... down $6.



this is probably a bad idea

9/27/2005 5:01:22 AM

ok, nm, down 100

ahah

9/27/2005 5:03:17 AM

I had a crazy hand yesterday, not because of how it was played or anything, but because of the massive amount of outs I had. I have KJ of diamonds, and the guy I am playing heads-up pushes all-in pre-flop. He's got like 400 chips left (out of a possible 3000) so it's not a hard call, especially since I'm in the big blind. Anyways, he flips over 44, no diamond.

Preflop: [50.5%-49.5% me]
Flop: [72.3%-27.7% me] QD 10D 7H (at this point I have any diamond, an A, K, J, or 9 as outs)
Turn: [56.8%-43.2% me] 10C (now if the board pairs itself again I win, but the 4 of diamonds is no longer an out)
River: 3C (I lose)

I'm not complaining or anything. We both made the right play IMO. I just thought that it was amazing the sheer number of outs I had, and none of them hit. I didn't think it was possible to be such a favorite with the worst hand showing.

9/27/2005 8:59:21 AM

PokerStars Game #2673785451: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/09/27 - 16:22:03 (ET)
Table 'Ilsewa' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: TheProf1 ($150.55 in chips)
Seat 2: pinkfloydfan ($305.70 in chips)
Seat 3: frankiefives ($90.55 in chips)
Seat 4: WineAdvisor ($38.80 in chips)
Seat 5: johka ($244.20 in chips)
Seat 6: XXTickerXX ($22.15 in chips)
Seat 8: SHUNK ($105.60 in chips)
Seat 9: pilgrimshoes ($150 in chips)
WineAdvisor: posts small blind $1
johka: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [3h Td 6c Tc]
XXTickerXX: folds
SHUNK: folds
pilgrimshoes: folds
TheProf1: folds
pinkfloydfan: raises $4 to $6
frankiefives: calls $6
WineAdvisor: folds
johka: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [5h 8c Qd]
johka: checks
pinkfloydfan: bets $12
frankiefives: calls $12
johka: raises $12 to $24
pinkfloydfan: calls $12
frankiefives: calls $12
*** TURN *** [5h 8c Qd] [3c]
DHV1 removed from table for failing to post
johka: bets $30
sorbus joins the table at seat #7
pinkfloydfan: calls $30
frankiefives: calls $30
*** RIVER *** [5h 8c Qd 3c] [5d]
johka: checks
pinkfloydfan: bets $90
frankiefives: calls $30.55 and is all-in
johka: raises $94.20 to $184.20 and is all-in
pinkfloydfan: calls $94.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
johka: shows [8h 4c 8d Jd] (HI: a full house, Eights full of Fives)
pinkfloydfan: shows [Ac 4d 5c 5s] (HI: four of a kind, Fives; LO: 8,5,4,3,A)
pinkfloydfan collected $153.65 from side pot
pinkfloydfan collected $153.65 from side pot
frankiefives: shows [Jc As Ks 2c] (HI: a pair of Fives; LO: 8,5,3,2,A)
pinkfloydfan collected $134.85 from main pot
frankiefives collected $134.80 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $579.95 Main pot $269.65. Side pot $307.30. | Rake $3
Board [5h 8c Qd 3c 5d]
Seat 1: TheProf1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: pinkfloydfan showed [Ac 4d 5c 5s] and won ($442.15) with HI: four of a kind, Fives; LO: 8,5,4,3,A
Seat 3: frankiefives (button) showed [Jc As Ks 2c] and won ($134.80) with HI: a pair of Fives; LO: 8,5,3,2,A
Seat 4: WineAdvisor (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: johka (big blind) showed [8h 4c 8d Jd] and lost with HI: a full house, Eights full of Fives
Seat 6: XXTickerXX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: SHUNK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pilgrimshoes folded before Flop (didn't bet)

9/27/2005 4:35:25 PM

there's nothing like getting your opponent to go all-in when he's a 56 to 1 underdog...

FullTiltPoker Game #233293251: $20 + $2 Sit & Go (1490945), Table 1 - 200/400 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:47:09 ET - 2005/09/27
Seat 4: tomloes (7,180)
Seat 7: crzymke85 (6,320)
crzymke85 posts the small blind of 200
tomloes posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tomloes [9c 9s]
crzymke85 raises to 800
tomloes raises to 1,600
crzymke85 calls 800
*** FLOP *** [9d Qc 5d]
tomloes checks
crzymke85 bets 3,200
tomloes raises to 5,580, and is all in
crzymke85 calls 1,520, and is all in
tomloes shows [9c 9s]
crzymke85 shows [6c 9h]
Uncalled bet of 860 returned to tomloes
*** TURN *** [9d Qc 5d] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [9d Qc 5d 4c] [6s]
tomloes shows three of a kind, Nines
crzymke85 shows two pair, Nines and Sixes
tomloes wins the pot (12,640) with three of a kind, Nines
crzymke85 stands up
tomloes stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12,640 | Rake 0
Board: [9d Qc 5d 4c 6s]
Seat 4: tomloes (big blind) showed [9c 9s] and won (12,640) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 7: crzymke85 (small blind) showed [6c 9h] and lost with two pair, Nines and Sixes

9/28/2005 12:20:07 AM

gotta love the full house in the big blind w the chip lead

Quote :

"Seat 1: jackleg512 (21730 in chips) Seat 2: cantdroptime (11245 in chips) Seat 3: lesde_8 (8195 in chips) Seat 4: winmik (630 in chips) Seat 5: s44w (21225 in chips) Seat 6: mnm99517 (1815 in chips) is sitting out Seat 7: ({GE})Fire78 (2660 in chips) ({GE})Fire78: posts small blind 50 jackleg512: posts big blind 100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to jackleg512 [4s 6s] cantdroptime: raises 100 to 200 lesde_8: folds winmik: calls 200 s44w: folds mnm99517: folds ({GE})Fire78: calls 150 jackleg512: calls 100 *** FLOP *** [Jc 6h 6d] mnm99517 has returned ({GE})Fire78: checks jackleg512: bets 300 cantdroptime: calls 300 winmik: calls 300 ({GE})Fire78: folds *** TURN *** [Jc 6h 6d] [4h] jackleg512: bets 1700 cantdroptime: calls 1700 winmik: calls 130 and is all-in *** RIVER *** [Jc 6h 6d 4h] [Tc] jackleg512: bets 9045 cantdroptime: calls 9045 and is all-in *** SHOW DOWN *** jackleg512: shows [4s 6s] (a full house, Sixes full of Fours) cantdroptime: shows [Kh Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes) cantdroptime is sitting out jackleg512 collected 21230 from side pot winmik: shows [Ah Qd] (a pair of Sixes) jackleg512 collected 2090 from main pot"

9/28/2005 2:04:57 AM

Texas Hold'em $1-$2 NL (real money), hand #1,312,170,967
Table Mons, 28 Sep 2005 11:37 PM ET

Seat 1: braldrid1501
Seat 2: GRIMGRIN
Seat 3: Hawkfan17
Seat 4: welby420
Seat 5: slipnuts [ 4C,5C ]
Seat 6: jeremyreff
Seat 7: checksplayer
Seat 8: Leapkin
Seat 9: batmonster88
Seat 10: dcstix
ANTES/BLINDS
checksplayer posts blind ($0.50), Leapkin posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
batmonster88 folds, dcstix folds, braldrid1501 calls $1, GRIMGRIN bets $4, Hawkfan17 calls $4, welby420 folds, slipnuts folds, jeremyreff folds, checksplayer folds, Leapkin folds, braldrid1501 calls $3.

FLOP [board cards 8C,7C,6C ]
braldrid1501 checks, GRIMGRIN checks, Hawkfan17 bets $5, braldrid1501 calls $5, GRIMGRIN folds.

TURN [board cards 8C,7C,6C,7S ]
braldrid1501 checks, Hawkfan17 checks.

RIVER [board cards 8C,7C,6C,7S,QC ]
braldrid1501 bets $15, Hawkfan17 folds.

SHOWDOWN
braldrid1501 shows [ 9C,10C ]
braldrid1501 wins $37.50.

SUMMARY
Dealer: jeremyreff
Pot: $38.50 | Rake: $1
braldrid1501 bets $24, collects $37.50, net $13.50
GRIMGRIN loses $4
Hawkfan17 loses $9
welby420 loses $0
slipnuts loses $0
jeremyreff loses $0
checksplayer loses $0.50
Leapkin loses $1
batmonster88 loses $0
dcstix loses $0




I would have limped with 3 callers and lost about $60 which was what this guy had in front of him.

Good raise, GRIMGRIN

9/29/2005 5:21:49 AM

I don't remember the exact details, but this was just funny:

1/2 cash game.
thedonjuan and me and one other were still in.

I was holding A 10 and i don't remember if there was preflop raising or not.

The flop came J Q K, so I had nut straight with no flush draws. I was first to act and I check. thedonjuan goes all-in, so I called forgetting the other guy just had his back turned to the table and was still in so he folded. I won of course as the last two cards were inconsequential

9/29/2005 8:47:01 AM

gg

9/29/2005 11:15:56 AM

^^no offense, but what is funny about that?

9/29/2005 1:49:29 PM

this guy was spewing chips like crazy, but goddamn.. he was way down in the game, and seemed like he was more content with trying to push hard to make up for his losses.

He had bet me out like crazy of the first pot i had sittin gdown at the table.



PokerStars Game #2687920966: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/09/29 - 14:17:54 (ET)
Table 'Castor II' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: locklock ($79.95 in chips)
Seat 2: studd7card ($200 in chips)
Seat 3: fornick_8 ($202.75 in chips)
Seat 4: pilgrimshoes ($237.90 in chips)
Seat 5: iraze ($121.80 in chips)
Seat 6: slater ($194.50 in chips)
Seat 7: luckysod ($156.15 in chips)
Seat 8: Nabokov ($442.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Shiftee ($353.75 in chips)
iraze: posts small blind $1
slater: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Qs Ah 3h 2d]
luckysod: calls $2
Nabokov: folds
Shiftee: calls $2
locklock: folds
studd7card: folds
fornick_8: folds
pilgrimshoes: raises $4 to $6
iraze: folds
slater: folds
luckysod: calls $4
Shiftee: folds
*** FLOP *** [4d 5c Jc]
luckysod: checks
pilgrimshoes: bets $10
luckysod: raises $36.15 to $46.15


What is your move?

[Edited on September 29, 2005 at 2:29 PM. Reason : e]

9/29/2005 2:28:31 PM

i probably just call, but it would depend, i def don't fold though

on second thought....i probably wouldn't reraise the turn unless the situation was just right, i think a call here is correct most of the time



[Edited on September 29, 2005 at 3:06 PM. Reason : fds]

9/29/2005 2:59:21 PM