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moron
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Yes

4/18/2025 10:59:15 PM

StTexan
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Ok. Just wondered if we could expect you to advocate for that regularly

4/18/2025 11:25:23 PM

moron
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It’s wishcasting. I’m putting it into the aether. Have to spread the woke mind virus somehow — it’s in your mind now slowly replicating itself

4/19/2025 12:05:47 AM

StTexan
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Is that shapiro dude still running? I wonder if kamala picked him and he killed vance in debate would things have been different

4/26/2025 12:18:09 AM

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"Buttigieg AOC super ticket one step closer"


Are you fucking TRYING to have yet another MAGA term?

AOC is poison. I would like her if not for her policy; I like certain things about her...but policy-wise, you've gotta be shitting me...and image-wise, even worse.

Buttigieg would be great, other than the gay thing is gonna prob cost a meaningful number of votes...and being young might be a net loss of a few, I'm guessing.

...but you want to have a ticket with a couple of millennials, and one of them is gay and the other is a hispanic female socialist and THE lightning rod of the party? WTF are you thinking?

4/26/2025 11:10:33 PM

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Support for “socialism” (using the term loosely) shot through the roof in mid-2008 when the unemployment rate started rising above 8%. It was a major factor in giving us Obama. Depending on when and how severe the MAGA recession hits, AOC’s socialism could be nicely positioned.

4/27/2025 6:47:17 AM

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"find it very funny that both Newson and Whitmer have already torpedoed any kind of campaign for president in 2028"



Whitmer decided to hug and share the stage with trump today, frontrunner

4/29/2025 10:39:20 PM

Snewf
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yeah when a cult tries to kidnap me I definitely try to get chummy with the cult leader
it's only neighborly

4/29/2025 11:15:22 PM

StTexan
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What if the voter has stockholm syndrome?

4/29/2025 11:46:13 PM

moron
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"AOC is poison. I would like her if not for her policy; I like certain things about her...but policy-wise, you've gotta be shitting me...and image-wise, even worse."


Shes extremely centrist and populist policy-wise

Her voice is shrill is her biggest problem but I think when Americans hear her policy they’ll like her. Yeah Fox News has been tearing her down like they do Hillary because she’s the heir apparent now. But I don’t think she’ll register as unpopular if she can get her message out.

Hillary got more votes than trump, Kamala kept trump under 50%, Obama had a clear majority. The demographics work against her but it’s not a death knell.

4/30/2025 9:21:05 AM

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"Advisory from IL Dem Gov JB Pritzker's office on planned Wednesday visit of Homeland Security Secy Kristi Noem to Springfield: "We would urge all pet owners in the region to make sure all of your beloved animals are under watchful protection while the Secretary is in the region."
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5/6/2025 8:36:25 PM

StTexan
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Haha. Kinda petty, but dems gotta be that way with these ppl

5/6/2025 8:47:46 PM

theDuke866
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"Shes extremely centrist and populist policy-wise"


populist, yes

centrist? uhh wtf are you talking about?

5/6/2025 10:19:44 PM

StTexan
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Thats how partisan he is. I think he honestly believes that

5/6/2025 10:24:11 PM

moron
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^,^^

Just look at surveys. Find any issue where she is taking the position not supported by the majority of people— what definition of centrist should I be using instead?

^ Youre probably further left than AOC actually

[Edited on May 6, 2025 at 11:12 PM. Reason : ]

5/6/2025 11:11:17 PM

StTexan
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Is she for the death penalty?

5/6/2025 11:15:55 PM

moron
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I don’t know but ~most Americans aren’t

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"The Gallup Crime Survey has asked about the fair­ness of death penal­ty appli­ca­tion in the United States since 2000. For the first time, the October 2023 sur­vey reports that more Americans believe the death penal­ty is applied unfair­ly (50%) than fair­ly (47%).
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5/6/2025 11:37:15 PM

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"Who is the face of the Democratic party

?? AOC 26%
?? Sanders 12%
?? Crockett 8%
?? Jeffries 5%
?? Buttigieg 5%

Coefficient #B - 5/9

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This is probably largely due to Fox News painting her as the face knowing they’ve smeared her for years. But it’s an opportunity as well, because she could be a good face.

5/14/2025 11:15:03 AM

moron
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Must watch AOC video

https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lp66gjzde22j

5/15/2025 1:12:18 AM

TreeTwista10
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"I'd rather vote for Trump than AOC"

--TheDuke, probably

5/15/2025 1:51:11 AM

The Coz
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I don't think he would vote for Trump, but he might sit it out.

Ted Budd, on the other hand? Might swing a vote his way since he fights like nobody fights.

5/15/2025 8:44:14 AM

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"Buttigieg would be great, other than the gay thing is gonna prob cost a meaningful number of votes...and being young might be a net loss of a few, I'm guessing."


I don't think Buttigieg is a particularly strong candidate (yet), but not for these reasons. I think there's plenty of people who won't vote for a homosexual, but those voters weren't really in play for Democrats, anyway. And after the geriatric debacle of the last two election cycles, I think (relative) youth is at least a slight asset.

Part of why I say all this is that Pete is smart about not "coding" as gay or even young, lately. An otherwise identical candidate who was a little more, for lack of a better term, flamboyant would lose swing voters. But he doesn't give off the "vibe," which is what really gives certain old/bigoted people the ick. And the recent beard growth seems like a largely successful effort to diminish his baby face.

I won't bother with your ill-informed and frankly misogynist opposition to AOC, simply because I don't think she'll run for President in 2028. She's managed to cement her position as the most nationally well-known democratic member of the House and has a chance to unseat limp-dick Chuck Schumer, if she wants. And whatever you think of her policy, she's got no lack of political savvy, and must know this is not her time.

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I mentioned "coding" earlier, and this is also a reason I like Pritzker. He's quite liberal, very rich, and Jewish - in other words, he would seem to have a lot in common with boogeyman George Soros - but he doesn't come across as any of those things. He reads as a bluff midwesterner, possibly Italian. Definitely someone you would meet at the deli. That, plus his surprisingly strong appeal with African Americans, plus a solid speechwriting team and a decent ability to deliver their material, I think makes him my preferred candidate.

5/16/2025 10:08:08 AM

TreeTwista10
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On a superficial level, is Pritzker too fat to win?

5/16/2025 10:36:03 AM

The Coz
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Checks Trump BMI. . .

No.

We had a President so fat he got stuck in the bathtub, FFS!

And then he became SCOTUS Chief Justice.

5/16/2025 11:25:22 AM

TreeTwista10
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"We had a President so fat he got stuck in the bathtub, FFS!"


Yeah but that was back when you had to stand still for 5 minutes to have your picture taken

5/16/2025 6:18:26 PM

theDuke866
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"I don't think Buttigieg is a particularly strong candidate (yet), but not for these reasons."


Why don't you think he is, then?

and that might be a valid point about (relative) youth might also be a slight asset. I could see it going either way.

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"Part of why I say all this is that Pete is smart about not "coding" as gay or even young, lately. An otherwise identical candidate who was a little more, for lack of a better term, flamboyant would lose swing voters. But he doesn't give off the "vibe," which is what really gives certain old/bigoted people the ick."


Yes, he doesn't "code" as gay. He doesn't run from it or anything, but he doesn't "act gay" and he doesn't make it a defining characteristic, from the couple of interviews I've seen/heard.

Obviously most of the voters who won't vote for a homosexual aren't in play for Dems, anyway, but there are socially conservative Dems who have sat out or gone GOP (black men, for example, most famously). There are also genuine swing voters. How many of them care, I don't know...but I think it's safe to say that it is some level of net-loss (he certainly isn't going to pick up many voters he wasn't going to otherwise get on account of being gay). Whether that's negligible or at least some level of a factor, I don't know.

I'm not arguing against him specifically, but I think the package of Buttigieg and AOC would be disastrous. It would be doubling down on the image (and to fair amount, also the substance--although I think that the main thing killing the Dems isn't policy*) that many voters have found off-putting about the Democratic Party.

*I think it's cultural issues, and also the tone with which they often come across. Policy is surely a part of it, but I don't think it's directly the most dominant thing. My off-the-cuff feeling is that the Dems are more aligned with electorate preferences from a wonky policy perspective than the GOP is.

That said, another thing that REALLY killed them in 2024 was inflation, and [I]part[/I] of that was almost consequence of Biden administration policy choices. (I think Trump 1.0 was about equally to blame on that score, and some of it was just fallout from a catastrophe that neither side was really at fault for...but the average voter doesn't process all of that, and Biden contributed to the problem.)

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"I won't bother with your ill-informed and frankly misogynist opposition to AOC
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Oh get the fuck out of here with your misogyny bullshit. I don't care if she's female, and there's no reason you should think that I do. Shit like this is part of why people are voting against Democrats.

...and another part is that you guys are calling her a centrist with a straight face. Nobody gives a fuck if she's a political centrist with respect to the global spectrum. That is irrelevant; she isn't running for office in Denmark or something. In the American context, that statement is laughable.

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"I mentioned "coding" earlier, and this is also a reason I like Pritzker. He's quite liberal, very rich, and Jewish - in other words, he would seem to have a lot in common with boogeyman George Soros - but he doesn't come across as any of those things. He reads as a bluff midwesterner, possibly Italian. Definitely someone you would meet at the deli. That, plus his surprisingly strong appeal with African Americans, plus a solid speechwriting team and a decent ability to deliver their material, I think makes him my preferred candidate."


I know who he is, but I'm not yet versed enough on him to have an opinion.

I think I'd take a Shapiro-Buttigieg ticket right now, if I had to casually throw a couple of names out there.

5/16/2025 7:57:34 PM

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"Why don't you think he is, then?"


He doesn't code as gay, he codes as a dweeb. A nerd. His military service notwithstanding.

Black voters range from hostile to unenthusiastic about him. His time at DOT kept his name in the news but didn't exactly cover him in glory. He has no signature policy proposals.

Pete's strengths are in debate, particularly on the news shows. Make him head of the DNC and unleash him as an attack dog on every outlet.

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"get the fuck out of here with your misogyny bullshit. I don't care if she's female, and there's no reason you should think that I do."


Took about three seconds of searching to find you saying she has nice tits, or that you'd fuck get and Tulsi Gabbard, but you thought she was shit. You clearly care at least a little that she's female because I haven't heard you say anything about wanting to get your back blown out by Mayor Pete.

I'm not saying you are fundamentally a misogynist person, but your oft stated position on AOC is by any reasonable definition misogynist.

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...and another part is that you guys are calling her a centrist with a straight face"


I certainly don't think she's a centrist. I also don't think aiming for the center has worked out great for either party in the last few cycles.

Romney was a nice moderate Republican running against a supposed Muslim communist. Clinton was a fairly conservative Democrat running against a populist lunatic. Biden won, sure - barely, and certainly more because of the avalanche of bullshit at the time rather than on his moderate credentials. And Harris, as much as people convinced themselves she was a radical leftist, was a former prosecutor and gun owner who ran to the center on fracking and other things, and still managed to lose to an insurrectionist fascist.

Being a centrist is not an asset in elections. And of course in this we will disagree, but I don't think it's an asset for policy, either.

5/20/2025 8:18:39 AM

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why is cory booker "always the bridesmaid" ??

5/20/2025 9:41:39 AM

GrumpyGOP
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Last time around, his message in the primaries was weird and frankly misread the mood of the party and the country. "Conspiracy of love?" What the fuck are you talking about?

He seems to have his finger closer to the pulse this time, based on his marathon speech, but I don't know that he has the angry edge that I, and frankly I think many others, would like to see. I want this administration and its enablers prosecuted. I want structural changes to prevent catastrophes like this in the future. To get those things, I need someone with fire in the belly and a big knife in their hand, and Booker doesn't have it in him.

Beshear, Schapiro, Pritzker, and Buttigeig all clearly want it. Newsome wants it more than anyone but will get eviscerated. Harris might want another bite at the apple, or Waltz. Of those, I don't know enough about beshear or Schapiro to comment on them, but of the remainder, Pritzker remains the best intersection between "can win" and "will punish."

5/20/2025 11:56:08 AM

StTexan
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"you saying she has nice tits"


Not that there's anything wrong with that

5/20/2025 7:49:15 PM

theDuke866
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"He doesn't code as gay, he codes as a dweeb"


haha I think maybe that's why I'm more open to him. Wonky and boring and focused on policy and execution sounds a lot better than a lot of the other options.

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"Pete's strengths are in debate, particularly on the news shows. Make him head of the DNC and unleash him as an attack dog on every outlet."


That would also be an excellent position for him. Furthermore, they couldn't currently do much worse.

(although I think, in particular, his strength is in framing policy in a way that comes across as "OK, I see where you're coming from on that; you've done your homework and thought this through; I don't totally agree, but that's not totally crazy." I think that would be a better attack dog style for him.)

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"Took about three seconds of searching to find you saying she has nice tits"


If the bra fits...

That's a different discussion. Hell I'd maybe even consider dating her--although we'd just never see eye to eye on a lot of policy issues. There's a difference between "we vehemently disagree" and "I think you're a moron or a piece of shit or both."

Tulsi, no. Tulsi is shit.

That said, I think I've also said on here--I believe more than once--that I often find myself agreeing with AOC and liking her right up to the point where she says policy-oriented (or ideology-oriented) things, most of which are anathema.

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"is by any reasonable definition misogynist."


Disagree.

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"I certainly don't think she's a centrist. I also don't think aiming for the center has worked out great for either party in the last few cycles.
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That's also a different argument; both sides of which have long been advocated for by political scientists and strategists, and isn't about to stop now. I don't know what the answer is there from the (D) perspective of just wanting to win. I know which one I would prefer. My gut feeling is that, at a minimum, they need to tack to the middle on culture war issues...but in any case, I'll hear the argument you're making. The argument that moron is making that AOC is a centrist is utterly absurd.

I thought you were signing on to that argument by describing my opposition to AOC as 'ill-informed".

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"Romney was a nice moderate Republican running against a supposed Muslim communist. Clinton was a fairly conservative Democrat running against a populist lunatic. Biden won, sure - barely, and certainly more because of the avalanche of bullshit at the time rather than on his moderate credentials. And Harris, as much as people convinced themselves she was a radical leftist, was a former prosecutor and gun owner who ran to the center on fracking and other things, and still managed to lose to an insurrectionist fascist.
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Strictly from a "winning the election", I'm not going to agree or disagree with those statements. I could probably make solid counterpoint(s) to all of them, but I don't necessarily think they're wrong. I think that both sides of that argument have merit. I don't think that's a cop-out or a dodge; I think that's why it's an ongoing debate.

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"I want this administration and its enablers prosecuted. I want structural changes to prevent catastrophes like this in the future."


Yep, totally agree on both counts. Trump and some others should have been rotting in federal-pound-me-in-the-ass-prison for years already. (not white-collar resort prison.)

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"Newsome wants it more than anyone"


haha Newsome wants it more than he wants oxygen.

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"Not that there's anything wrong with that"


I mean...she does. Whether I would have sex with her, whether I would vote for her, whether I agree with her, and whether I respect her are all separate matters. (a little bit of overlap between voting and agreeing/respecting.)

5/20/2025 8:52:37 PM

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" ?? New - Senate primary poll - New York

?? AOC 54%
?? Schumer 33%

Jewish voters - AOC +7

Honan #C - 5/18"


I’m liking AOC for senate. Get some new blood into the party leadership

Keep Pete and Pritzker/walz/shapiro/crockett for president and Vp

5/25/2025 7:34:03 PM

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I'd be cool with AOC in the Senate. Let her ideas compete on the big boy person stage.

Still hoping Dean Phillips the one and only truth teller of the 2024 election decides to get back into public service.

[Edited on May 25, 2025 at 8:45 PM. Reason : that reminds me I should message him for a job.]

[Edited on May 25, 2025 at 8:45 PM. Reason : the AIs took my jerb!]

[Edited on May 25, 2025 at 8:46 PM. Reason : actually it was private equity and overseas labor competitiveness but that was last century's excuse]

[Edited on May 25, 2025 at 9:02 PM. Reason : quarter century probably more accurate.]

[Edited on May 25, 2025 at 9:02 PM. Reason : see y'all in 2050]

5/25/2025 8:44:56 PM

StTexan
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Agreee(about AOC in senate)

5/25/2025 8:49:06 PM

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