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"the whiff I was referring to was the statement about Marge Schott being forced to sell the Reds by her fellow owners. that's not what happened"

#1 - That's not the post(s) I was referring to when I referenced your support of this racist piece of shit, and you know it.

#2 - Are you arguing she sold by her own decision?

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"O RLY?"

Yes, RLY.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10854381/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-rails-donald-sterling-not-favor-kicking-owner

4/30/2014 12:38:27 AM

nobody put a gun to that old ass racist bitch's head and forced her to sell

4/30/2014 12:41:08 AM

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"nobody put a gun to that old ass racist bitch's head and forced her to sell"

You don't have to hold a gun to someone's head to force them to do something. Come onnnnnnn mane.

4/30/2014 12:43:09 AM

And just because you get public pressure for years to sell doesn't mean when you finally do sell it isn't ultimately your decision to sell

But as far as Marge Schott, it was similar to the penalty given to Silver in that she was basically banned from the sport, but the team wasn't taken / forced to be sold

And I don't recall a racist Redlegs owner hurting the MLB in the 90s. Just like I don't think the Sterling fiasco is going to be some huge profit loss to the NBA in the 2010s.

IIRC she didn't even sell all her shares lol

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 12:48 AM. Reason : .]

4/30/2014 12:45:49 AM

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"and just because you get public pressure for years to sell doesn't mean when you finally do sell it isn't ultimately your decision to sell But as far as Marge Schott, it was similar to the penalty given to Silver in that she was basically banned from the sport, but the team wasn't taken / forced to be sold"

public pressure? it appears it was far more than public pressure.

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"On April 20, 1999, Schott agreed to sell her controlling interest in the Reds for $67 million to a group led by Cincinnati businessman Carl Lindner. At the time she was facing a third suspension, failing health and an expiring ownership agreement with her limited partners, who planned to oust her. Schott remained as a minority partner."

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"I don't think the Sterling fiasco is going to be some huge profit loss to the NBA in the 2010s."

Obviously not.

4/30/2014 12:49:34 AM

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"Are you arguing she sold by her own decision?"

that's precisely what I'm arguing

4/30/2014 12:51:02 AM

synapse? more like semantics

4/30/2014 12:52:01 AM

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"that's precisely what I'm arguing"

Or you can ignore the words I quoted directly above your post. Whatever.

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"synapse? more like semantics"

Those words don't even rhyme. You can do better.

4/30/2014 12:53:21 AM

3 years after her suspension, she decided to sell her stake

that's a tad different than what is about to happen to Sterling

4/30/2014 12:57:14 AM

alliteration, breh

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 12:57 AM. Reason : carat carat]

4/30/2014 12:57:43 AM

I'll help us get to page 5 a little quicker

4/30/2014 12:59:36 AM

WE ARE ONE! WE ARE ONE!

clearly Sterling's banishment hasn't stopped Matt Barnes and Andre Iguodala's black-on-black crime

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 1:01 AM. Reason : those are basketball players for those of you who heard about this story on Good Morning America]

4/30/2014 1:00:13 AM

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"she decided to sell her stake "

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" At the time she was facing...an expiring ownership agreement with her limited partners, who planned to oust her"

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"that's a tad different than what is about to happen to Sterling"

Obviously.

4/30/2014 1:14:31 AM

wasn't she pro-Nazi? imo thats a little worse than giving your girl consent to bang black dudes

but the similarity again is that despite the pro sports league banning her/him from being able to make any decisions, they both still rake(d) in the dough from being owners

4/30/2014 1:16:27 AM

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"imo thats a little worse than giving your girl consent to bang black dudes"

I'm no expert on this case, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the comment(s) that got him in his current situation.

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"despite the pro sports league banning her/him from being able to make any decisions"

If the sports league in question successfully forces him to sell, that's a bit more than what you're talking about.

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"they both still rake(d) in the dough from being owners"

Obviously. That's not what's being debated here.



[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 1:26 AM. Reason : I must be getting trolled here, so props to you two]

4/30/2014 1:20:33 AM

MLB didn't force Schott to sell. I continue to have a hunch that the NBA owners/board of governors won't force Sterling to sell.

And what exactly is being debated here? I don't think anyone, not even that ncstatetKKKe is arguing that Sterling isn't a racist. I am debating things such as whether or not Sterling will be forced to sell the team. What is being debated in your mind?

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 1:26 AM. Reason : ibt giant strawman picture with no explanation]

4/30/2014 1:26:05 AM

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"MLB didn't force Schott to sell"

Agreed. I've posted the reason Schott was forced to sell. Twice.

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"I continue to have a hunch that the NBA owners/board of governors won't force Sterling to sell."

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""As for Mr. Sterling's ownership interest in the Clippers," Silver said. "I will urge the board of governors to force a sale of the team and will do everything in my power to ensure that happens." Silver said he made the decision to ban Sterling Tuesday morning and that he will begin immediately the process of trying to get Sterling to sell the team. "This has been a painful moment for all members of the NBA family," Silver said. Sliver said he didn't poll the owners, but did speak to several who he said supports the decision. "The owners have the authority subject to three-quarters vote, to remove him as owner," Silver said. Silver said that he will push owners to vote on the matter quickly. Sentiment from owners is starting to come out. "On behalf of the Miller family, we support the decisive action by Commissioner Silver and the NBA to reaffirm that there is no place for racism and hatred in our league," said Greg Miller. CEO of the Larry H. Miller Group, owner of the Utah Jazz. "The Jazz organization and all the teams in the NBA should act as national leaders in promoting inclusiveness and diversity. We have a responsibility in our communities to fight against discrimination and ignorance and showcase sports as an example of respect and tolerance. While this situation has been inexcusable, I hope it serves the greater purpose of reinforcing our vigilance against this type of behavior.""

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"And what exactly is being debated here?"

Not that "they both still rake(d) in the dough from being owners"

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"I don't think anyone, not even that ncstatetKKKe is arguing that Sterling isn't a racist."

Obviously. That would be a pretty dumb argument.

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 1:33 AM. Reason : we'll see what happens]

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 1:35 AM. Reason : My bet is he's long gone.]

4/30/2014 1:32:08 AM

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"Sliver said he didn't poll the owners, but did speak to several who he said supports the decision."

but..but..thegoodlife said Silver wouldn't have made this decision without 75%+ support!

of course, "the decision" is the ban and fine...not the vote

i think the players, making 8 figures a year, some actually offended and who actually care, are good with him getting banned...so are the jesse jacksons of the world, imo

--

I went to a Hornets game in New Orleans back in 2002 I think (maybe 03, can't recall)...granted George Shinn wasn't a known racist, but I hated his guts for moving the Hornets out of Charlotte...but I didn't go to a game in New Orleans to support him...I went because I cheered for Baron Davis, David Wesley, Jamal Mashburn, PJ Brown, Elden Campbell, Jamal Magloire, Eddie Robinson, etc etc...not the owner

do Redskins fans or Cowboys fans stop supporting their team because they hate their owners? no

so I guess I think this incident will blow over...but what do I know, I still eat Chick-Fil-A because the food is tasty, let alone what the owner wants to donate his money towards

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 1:53 AM. Reason : .]

4/30/2014 1:48:12 AM

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"he basically said he didn't want his girlfriend going to games with black people. that's keeping your ho in check"

Looolllll. This is why people say republicans are racist. You are severely sugar coating his statements.

He said Jewish blacks are treated like dogs compared to whites, and he's okay with that. He literally said the most racist things a person can possibly say, he expressed dislike of specific people because they were black, he acknowledged mistreatment of blacks and dismissed it, and he admitted general dislike for blacks.

4/30/2014 2:39:18 AM

Nobody is denying he's a big racist. Way to take a tongue in cheek comment out of context.

And it's funny that somebody that says "the most racist things that anybody can say" is cool with his girl having sex with black dudes. I figure the most racist PEOPLE probably wouldn't be cool with that.

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 2:41 AM. Reason : .]

4/30/2014 2:40:55 AM

You would figure quite wrongly...

4/30/2014 3:05:20 AM

No one is arguing about his views on race. He's racist.

No one is arguing about the currently imposed penalties. We're all pretty good with that shit.

Some of us (including Mark Cuban) are arguing that being forced to divest property over comments said in the privacy of your own home and not willfully in public is a dangerous thing to go after, and should arguably not be pursued. Once some of you calm down, wipe the froth from your mouth, and put up your torches and pitchforks, you might explore the implications and consequences for going down that road.

I don't think Silver is going to get the full amount of votes from the owners to make this happen. It's easy to line up people to condemn a racist, but those owners will not feel comfortable with the thought of setting precedent where they could lose their teams just as easily.

4/30/2014 6:11:39 AM

^ well said

4/30/2014 6:59:51 AM

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" Of course, Sterling actually has violated people's civil rights, and except for a small-to-him settlement, he pretty much got away with it. He's too wealthy. There's no way to really make him pay for being an asshole. For other folks though, their right to spew bullshit is all they got. "

He violated people's rights, but not inside the realm of the NBA. He violated people's rights in terms of housing, and for that he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I don't see how that has anything to do with his basketball dealings however.

It's like the whole Chik-Fil-A thing. Sure, the guy said what he believed regarding marriage, and some people took that as insensitive, but did he ever let those views influence business or hiring decisions? I doubt it.

4/30/2014 7:29:12 AM

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"It's like the whole Chik-Fil-A thing. Sure, the guy said what he believed regarding marriage, and some people took that as insensitive, but did he ever let those views influence business or hiring decisions? I doubt it. "

chick-fil-a is very selective in their franchising and, from what i've heard, being a good christian business owner is pretty much a requirement. They list "strong christian values" as a requirement to their franchisees. So yeah, bad example of your point.

4/30/2014 7:42:43 AM

i'd be surprised if they get the 3/4 vote they need

i bet they get all butthurt and leak who voted what if they don't

4/30/2014 7:47:16 AM

Here is my point, *I* took Sterling's comments as him saying he didn't want black people at his games. That is discrimination, NOT an opinion or just some comments he made.

Relating it to chick fil a - it would be different if the owner said he wasn't going to serve gay people, not that he just didn't support gay marriage.

4/30/2014 7:48:35 AM

i thought it sounded like he just didn't want his whore to be there with black dudes. lemme reread the parts of the transcript someone posted

4/30/2014 7:51:10 AM

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"Here is my point, *I* took Sterling's comments as him saying he didn't want black people at his games. That is discrimination, NOT an opinion or just some comments he made. "

The transcript I read said nothing about his desire to keep black people from attending his games. He only expressed that he didn't want his g/f or whoever to bring black people to his games with her.

These are two very different things.

4/30/2014 8:12:36 AM

also there's a difference between having dumb views and enforcing them

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 8:20 AM. Reason : that being said, he signed the bylaws and asked to be filmed, so it's his own damn fault]

4/30/2014 8:13:47 AM

What do you mean "he asked to be filmed"? I didn't think he knew his comments were recorded?

4/30/2014 8:52:10 AM

^According to some reports, he supposedly asked this woman to record him at all times. LOL

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"rjrumfel: He violated people's rights, but not inside the realm of the NBA. He violated people's rights in terms of housing, and for that he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I don't see how that has anything to do with his basketball dealings however. It's like the whole Chik-Fil-A thing. Sure, the guy said what he believed regarding marriage, and some people took that as insensitive, but did he ever let those views influence business or hiring decisions? I doubt it."

It's nothing like the Chick-Fil-A thing at all.

Sterling is a criminal, a really bad one who people should despise. And a lot of us lose our jobs when we commit serious crimes--even when they have nothing to do with our employment. As that box is already open, I woulda banned him back in 2006 and felt pretty good about it.

As far as the current ownership situation goes, it sounds like this business is all covered in their little rules, and we'll see what the other members of the organization choose to do. Personally, I'd want him out for being a scumbag who hurts families, not for privately expressing some racist concerns about how people perceive his whore. But I dunno...maybe other NBA owners have also dabbled in the wholesale violation of civil rights, and they don't see it quite like I do.

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 10:38 AM. Reason : ]

4/30/2014 10:36:56 AM

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"It's like the whole Chik-Fil-A thing"

No it's not.

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"i'd be surprised if they get the 3/4 vote they need"

Do we even know that there's even going to be a vote at this point? What happens next?

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"*I* took Sterling's comments as him saying he didn't want black people at his games. That is discrimination,"

Ehhhhh that's not what he said. He said he didn't want his GF publicly associating with black people, be it on Instagram, bringing them to the games etc. IIRC it was all in that context.

4/30/2014 10:45:42 AM

The guy didn't want to be seen in public with blacks, now he doesn't have to be seen in public with blacks.

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 10:52 AM. Reason : public]

4/30/2014 10:52:03 AM

it's pretty obvious that some haven't been following this story at all

and this is in no way anything like the Chick Fil A thing, unless 80% of their employees are gay

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"I went to a Hornets game in New Orleans back in 2002 I think (maybe 03, can't recall)...granted George Shinn wasn't a known racist, but I hated his guts for moving the Hornets out of Charlotte...but I didn't go to a game in New Orleans to support him...I went because I cheered for Baron Davis, David Wesley, Jamal Mashburn, PJ Brown, Elden Campbell, Jamal Magloire, Eddie Robinson, etc etc...not the owner"

looks like you're conveniently forgetting why they moved to New Orleans

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 11:13 AM. Reason : .]

4/30/2014 10:57:45 AM

NEWSFLASH

OLD RICH WHITE GUY DOESNT LIKE BLACK PEOPLE


i find it surprising that people are surprised

4/30/2014 11:00:06 AM

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"NEWSFLASH OLD RICH WHITE GUY DOESNT LIKE BLACK PEOPLE i find it surprising that people are surprised "

I mean, this isn't just some old rich white guy.

Good effort though I guess...

4/30/2014 11:01:18 AM

looks like an old rich modern day wannabe slave owning fuck to me

4/30/2014 11:04:45 AM

^^^^because Charlotte wouldn't pay for a new arena? That doesn't have anything to do with me being a fan of the team because of the players, and most sports fans being fans of their respective sports teams because of the players on the court/field/pitch. Not because of who the owner is.

Are all the Seahawks fans in Sports Talk going to stop cheering for RW's team if it comes out that Paul Allen is a racist?

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 11:45 AM. Reason : .]

4/30/2014 11:44:26 AM

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"pitch"

4/30/2014 11:45:00 AM

so much brine in this thread

4/30/2014 11:54:01 AM

^^^ so attendance went from 1st to last because the fans wanted a new arena?

4/30/2014 12:00:44 PM

Ok, point taken. But Attendance didn't drop because Shinn was raping women. It was because he got rid of guys like Mourning.

and it didn't have any negative impact on any of the other teams in the league

[Edited on April 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2014 12:05:47 PM

those two things aren't mutually exclusive. he was reviled for both

and it did impact the league, both positively and negatively, seeing as how they had to buy the team from him

but they turned a profit once they sold it to Tom Benson

4/30/2014 12:18:08 PM

Ok, it didn't negatively impact the other franchises or players on other teams. Just like I don't think this Clippers mess is going to do any harm to Miami or Brooklyn or Dallas, etc

4/30/2014 12:20:23 PM

it's still having an impact on the league seeing how a NBA-owned New Orleans traded its best asset to the Clippers

IT'S ALL CONNECTED, MAN

4/30/2014 12:22:38 PM

conspiracy theorists saying the league was itching to get rid of Sterling for years so they can move the Clippers to Anaheim or Seattle. the plot thickens

4/30/2014 12:41:16 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/29/shaquille-oneal-bullies-jahmel-binion_n_5233441.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Will Shaq be forced to sell his stake in the Kings?

4/30/2014 1:39:24 PM

^go back to GOLO.

You and your merry band of idiots don't know how to compare and differentiate between very different actions and scenarios.

4/30/2014 1:45:36 PM

V. Stiviano. hides face, goes out in public to gain attention. (sense, this makes none).

just another attention whoring scheme trying to get her 15 minutes.

4/30/2014 2:31:06 PM