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10/1/2013 10:32:31 PM

^^
but a death panel would kill her brother, ACA would kill him!

10/1/2013 10:38:08 PM

I am self employed and my premiums will go from $141 per month to $268 in january. Is anyone else in the same boat?

10/1/2013 10:49:22 PM

Which level of coverage is that?

10/1/2013 11:07:05 PM

Yea, my last payment was 340

I don't see it getting higher

[Edited on October 1, 2013 at 11:12 PM. Reason : ]

10/1/2013 11:10:17 PM

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" Severe Paralysed Waste "

10/1/2013 11:29:01 PM

although, you could at least do it right

[Edited on October 1, 2013 at 11:32 PM. Reason : ]

10/1/2013 11:31:58 PM

I thought it was funny.

10/1/2013 11:34:28 PM

Worst president ever.

10/1/2013 11:49:56 PM

Worst house Republicans ever

10/2/2013 6:46:54 AM

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"Lucky1: I am self employed and my premiums will go from $141 per month to $268 in january. Is anyone else in the same boat?"

Mine went up like $50, but in exchange, I get automatic maternity/newborn care! Plus, I think my income is low enough that I will qualify for some subsidies.

So, yeah, you guys get to subsidize me playing it fast and loose with my womb.

Sweet deal.

10/2/2013 7:59:13 AM

Coworker has been bitching about how the exchange plans are about twice as expensive as his plan now. He forgot that our employer pays 50% of our premiums

10/2/2013 8:04:18 AM

Right now my employer reimburses us for our health insurance. Wonder if that will change if the premiums go up that much. I am with BCBSNC and I wanna say my health insurance is like 130-140 a month which is really just for an emergency type plan so I dont go broke if anything major happens.

I thought this whole Obamacare thing was supposed to save people money? Has anyone's premiums gone down? Seems like every single persons here was going up.

10/2/2013 8:08:52 AM

I buy my own with no employer, and I don't make much money.

So I actually expect mine to drop dramatically once I join the Exchange or whatever.

But I was already paying quite a bit for very basic insurance that I rarely use--around $220 a month. It was tempting to go without, but I'm the kind of person who has never climbed a ladder sober.

10/2/2013 8:37:26 AM

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"I thought this whole Obamacare thing was supposed to save people money?"

no, it was supposed to make health insurance available to more people

10/2/2013 8:58:38 AM

and make insurance companies more money

10/2/2013 9:07:10 AM

so if you qualify for subsidies, do you only get them if you use the exchange? (ie can't get tax subsidies if you get your insurance through work?)

10/2/2013 9:13:11 AM

you have to use the exchange for subsidies. do you not get employer coverage? i thought if you get employer coverage you have to make between 1 and 4 times the federal poverty level and spend more than 9.5% of your income on insurance to qualify for subsidies

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-i-have-job-based-health-insurance/
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/09/29/2682291/obamacare-questions-2/





[Edited on October 2, 2013 at 9:41 AM. Reason : .]

10/2/2013 9:24:54 AM

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"I thought this whole Obamacare thing was supposed to save people money?"

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"no, it was supposed to make health insurance available to more people"

the american mindset is that we don't give a shit about "more people"...we care about ourselves first and others only if it's convenient

universal healthcare is not convenient

10/2/2013 9:35:33 AM

Indeed. Somehow the idea of "the greater good" is virtually non-existent in our country founded on "christian" principles. Omg socialism

10/2/2013 10:03:48 AM

[Edited on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM. Reason : ]

10/2/2013 10:15:09 AM

The government is Jesus?

10/2/2013 10:16:22 AM

the humor is over your head a bit, don't worry about it

10/2/2013 10:18:23 AM

It's humorous?

10/2/2013 10:24:05 AM

You don't have a sense of humor.

10/2/2013 10:27:11 AM

http://theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/10/the-saddest-paragraph-youll-read-about-the-government-shutdown-today/280174/

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"At the National Institutes of Health, nearly three-quarters of the staff was furloughed. One result: director Francis Collins said about 200 patients who otherwise would be admitted to the NIH Clinical Center into clinical trials each week will be turned away. This includes about 30 children, most of them cancer patients, he said."

[Edited on October 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM. Reason : ]

10/2/2013 10:43:25 AM

It is on the populace to help others, not the government to take our stuff, keep 3/4 of it, and then distribute what's left.

10/2/2013 10:44:54 AM

In case you havent noticed, that help usually comes in the form of charitable religious groups, and those have long been deemed bad.

10/2/2013 10:46:58 AM

so the populace should offer affordable healthcare to the poor?

10/2/2013 11:00:00 AM

all of the charitable religious groups combined don't equal the size of the medicaid expansion that didn't happen. so its not so much that they are bad as much as that they have a relatively small outreach but are still proposed as the "free market" solution by republicans.

10/2/2013 11:14:54 AM

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"It is on the populace to help others, not the government to take our stuff, keep 3/4 of it, and then distribute what's left."

There is no universal law of physics governing what government can, can't, should or shouldn't do. Government is what we make it. In fact, we explicitly stated what we wanted ours to do, way back in the day...

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"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

10/2/2013 11:22:42 AM

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"charitable religious groups, and those have long been deemed bad."

strawman alert!

10/2/2013 11:24:50 AM

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" In fact, we explicitly stated what we wanted ours to do, way back in the day..."

and also recently when the ACA bill was signed into law

10/2/2013 11:33:18 AM

^^^^^Technically, we're not talking about the poor. The poor already qualify for Medicaid.

We're talking about, say, a piano teacher/bartender who buys their own insurance for 20 years. Then they get sick and go broke trying and failing to pay exorbitant premiums, eventually losing their home and life savings. If they're smart, they'll own an old van so they can have some comfort and independence while they cough up blood.

10/2/2013 11:36:33 AM

some poor already qualify

10/2/2013 11:38:43 AM

what if, instead of giving them health insurance, we just move all the poor in the country into Moore Square and let the churches take care of them?

problem solved. you're welcome, America.

10/2/2013 11:48:38 AM

No, it's not solved. It's completely unacceptable that poor people are allowed that close to my home.

Have you seen these people? They're disgusting.

10/2/2013 12:38:26 PM

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"the american mindset is that we don't give a shit about "more people"...we care about ourselves first and others only if it's convenient universal healthcare is not convenient"

And yet somehow we still manage to be the most charitable country in the world, in all of history. I guess with your view of the American mindset, we did it "just to claim #1", eh?

10/2/2013 12:53:18 PM

^ eh, but doesn't something like 1/3 of that, monetarily speaking, go to churches who may or may not spend it actually helping people?

[Edited on October 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM. Reason : ]

10/2/2013 1:01:41 PM

yes, i'm pretty sure they count all money given to churches as "charitable"

10/2/2013 1:05:54 PM

I see.

So we're not all Godless just yet

10/2/2013 1:07:22 PM

all that record-setting charitable giving is still tiny compared to what is needed and what the medicaid expansion would have done

10/2/2013 1:10:03 PM

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"It is on the populace to help others, not the government to take our stuff, keep 3/4 of it, and then distribute what's left."

good to know you have a solid understanding of how it all works

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"And yet somehow we still manage to be the most charitable country in the world, in all of history. I guess with your view of the American mindset, we did it "just to claim #1", eh?"

if you're going to make things up, bring in the proof and some perspective

otherwise, you're invited to leave (though i suspect you'll just hang around and complain some more)

10/2/2013 1:20:24 PM

I wonder if american people could decide not to pay taxes to protest the shutdown. Logic says that if people wont be receiving the services that their tax dollars are supposed to provide, why pay taxes in the first place?

[Edited on October 2, 2013 at 1:36 PM. Reason : protest shutdown]

10/2/2013 1:35:09 PM

no, you can not decide that. also, you are still receiving many services.

10/2/2013 1:36:10 PM

10/2/2013 1:46:43 PM

I dont have a problem with charity. I have a problem with it being mandatory, being more than I can afford, and being distributed in a manner that is based upon a warped concept of fairness, or worse yet, simple vote-buying.

I can imagine few fates worse than an American population dependant on government for their very health and well-being, as such an arrangement surely undermines the freedom and individual liberty that we have enjoyed for so long, and now I fear, take for granted.

With such a system in place: The poor, the elderly, and the sick cannot afford the risk of voting to change the system, despite their discontent.

Though it may help some, this law has already hurt myself and my family, as it was intended to do. I must put my support against it. On the surface, this may seem selfish, but it is the way democracy is designed to work. Convincing votors to sacrifice their own best interests in the interest of the common good is contrary to the theory of democracy and makes them succeptible to misinformation and propaganda surrounding the definition of common good.

I applaud the tactics being used by the house leadership to force the senate to approve budget items individually. Breaking thing down into pieces is a mechanism for comprimise. Insisting that it all be done in one bill is not. All of this could have been avoided if the president had submitted and congress had passed a balanced budget. The detrimental effects of the shutdown are being overblown, and could likewise have been avoided with earlier budget concessions. It is no coincidence that this president has presided over the most bitterly divided and partisan legislatures in our history.

10/2/2013 2:34:00 PM

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"I can imagine few fates worse than an American population dependant on government for their very health and well-being, as such an arrangement surely undermines the freedom and individual liberty that we have enjoyed for so long, and now I fear, take for granted."

you have a truly shitastic imagination

10/2/2013 2:46:44 PM

If you believe everything one party is telling you, then you have no imagination.

10/2/2013 2:56:16 PM

i agree 100%

i doubt most of us have that problem, which is why most of us are smart enough to realize how fucking childish and stupid the conservatives are being about this whole "let's hold the government hostage until we get our way, since we don't have the support of the people or judicial branch" bit

it's also why most of us are capable of understanding how a healthier, more educated public is a good thing for society as a whole

don't worry, you have plenty of company in your naivete

[Edited on October 2, 2013 at 3:00 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2013 3:00:14 PM