1. you're supposed to burn the flag. in certain situations.

2. so why do MD and Duke say "O"? The Orioles makes sense..

3. It seems like a few years back, they waited til after the "brave" to say "WOLFPACK"...now it seems like wolfpack has just taken its place. This one seems a little worse, I think it's fine, but I can understand other people being mad. Screaming WOLFPACK right after it ends shouldn't make anybody mad though.

12/23/2008 10:20:51 PM

^ ugh, it was OBVIOUS that I was referring to burning it as a form of protest

12/23/2008 10:22:55 PM

You should probably drop the whole Saudi Arabia analogy, it's not really a 1:1 comparison. If you are a visitor to their country I'd expect it would be in your best interest to follow their customs and laws. I guess in my mind it's worse to be a visitor somewhere and be disrespectful of the place you are visiting than it is to be disrespectful of something you're associated with. One scenario you've gone out of your way to be a giant douche. The other you've just been medium sized douche.

Yeah, no one is forcing... just guilting and berating ad nauseum until someone changes their mind?

Oh, and...



[Edited on December 23, 2008 at 11:15 PM. Reason : -]

12/23/2008 11:06:48 PM

^ sure it is... my point was that even if I didnt think I had to be quiet for it I would be quiet out of the respect for people who did want that... as I said with the moment of silence for someone that died, even if I didnt know them at all, no clue who they were, zero connection at all, I would still be quiet for the people that did know them, I wouldnt be like "fuck this! dont try to guilt me into being silent, I am going to yell just to spite you and your damn request for silence raaaaawr!"

and I have no idea what that pic means

12/23/2008 11:13:26 PM

But if someone connected to the deceased, say the spouse, wanted to say something during the moment of silence I wouldn't feel the need to go on and on about it on the internet.

12/23/2008 11:16:47 PM

if the spouse didn't want it to be a moment of silence then there wouldn't be a moment of silence probably

12/23/2008 11:18:42 PM

Meh, I often find myself more offended at the people that get offended at the drop of a hat than I do at the original 'offense'.

12/23/2008 11:22:21 PM

I just dont see the big deal of shutting up for a little over a minute. Even if I don't agree with someone if all the asked of me was to be quiet for one minute in an entire day I think I could handle that without feeling like I was being oppressed.

and I have a feeling most of the people on here are just for it because its a State tradition. If State never did it and someone like say.... UNC did it, they would all be against it

[Edited on December 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM. Reason : d]

12/23/2008 11:25:14 PM

If you're anti "RED/ HOME OF THE WOLFPACK" b/c you think it's disrespectful to the United States of America I sure hope you've done somthing for this country (jury duty, voted... somthing) b/c there are WAAAAAY more disrespectful things done in this nation than adjusting the Star Spangled Banner at a sporting event.
Honestly, it's not my favorite thing in the world but I just stand there at the position of attention and face the flag. I'm certainly not offended.

Panthro, I bet you're pissed we don't use Smith's origional score too, amiright?

12/23/2008 11:56:23 PM

^^That's pretty much how i feel. I don't find it as much disrespectful as i do irritating. The American public as a whole generally has little respect for anything these days except for individual needs/wants...so i don't let myself get butthurt over stuff like this anymore.

But seriously..."REDDDDDD" and "Home of the WOLFPACCCCCK?" Can we get any more unoriginal? Does this really get your pride for NC State flowing?? I doubt it. So how bout just shut up and listen or sing the actual words to the Anthem.

12/24/2008 12:06:37 AM

but red is an actual word to the anthem !!

12/24/2008 12:55:06 AM

I'm not a huge fan of yelling RED and WOLFPACK during the national anthem, but the people who really piss me off are the ones who just carrying on a conversation.

The issue is not being patriotic or not, its about having some respect.

Quote :

"My dad works for the federal government "

So do I, I work at USMC Air Station and getting the opportunity to work with these men and women everyday is even more of a reason I keep my mouth shut while they are playing the national anthem.

12/24/2008 9:28:32 AM

actually Jaybee you do sound like a liberal. FREE SPEECH until it hurts someones feelings. Quit whining and go back to your bunker and wait for the end of days with your bible in hand. If you don't like it ignore it already.

12/24/2008 11:34:46 AM

tell your dad that losing wars against nations armed slightly better than cavemen is pretty disrespectful as well

12/24/2008 11:38:14 AM

I never participated in it when I was at State from 98-03, but now every time I am at a sporting event, I hear it in my head and miss it.

12/24/2008 11:38:24 AM

Quote :

"actually Jaybee you do sound like a liberal. FREE SPEECH until it hurts someones feelings. Quit whining and go back to your bunker and wait for the end of days with your bible in hand. If you don't like it ignore it already."

no, actually I don't... for the 7th time, NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT FORCING PEOPLE TO NOT DO IT, so no one's free speech is being affected whatsoever. Do you understand what free speech means? It means the govt does not force someone to say or not say certain things; it has nothing to do with common courtesy and respect you stupid fuck.

I think people should say "thank you" if someone else holds a door open for them; that doesn't mean that I think you should go to fucking jail if you don't do it, it just means you SHOULD do it.

7 times people, 7 fucking times, jesus christ at least know what you are arguing you ignorant bitch

^^ so tough


[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 2:37 PM. Reason : d]

12/24/2008 2:18:22 PM

i deliberately took the "its offensive" side to act like i have a bunch of patriotism

but i still think its dumb...but if others want to do it...oh well

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 2:40 PM. Reason : btw, jaydee wins this on page 3]

12/24/2008 2:34:47 PM

^^ Then stfu already? What you consider respectful and what other people consider respectful might be different things. You ever think of that? I guess not dumbfuck.
I think you should show more school spirit. I can't believe you don't. It it is disrespectful to your university not to participate blah blah blah. Why can't people be respectful WAAAAAAAAAHHH.

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 5:43 PM. Reason : adfasdf]

12/24/2008 5:41:09 PM

you sir are impeding my free speech, yes you as an individual, you must not support Free Speech

12/24/2008 5:52:30 PM

Why can't you just respect your school I mean is it too fucking much to ask that instead of sitting there you just show a little spirit?

12/24/2008 5:57:31 PM

I will during the game, but that is before the game and has nothing to do with football, or even the school for that matter

12/24/2008 5:58:10 PM

wow.

Just checked this thread, it's really turned into more than I thought it would.

To reiterate, I made this thread because I wanted to know when that chant started. No, I don't care for the chant, but some of you are acting pretty fucking ridic. about this.

I don't like it, you do, end of story.

Next time someone sings "Happy Birthday" to you, I'm going to jump in when they say [insert your name] and yell my name. that'll teach you.

12/24/2008 6:01:07 PM

Quote :

"I will during the game, but that is before the game and has nothing to do with football, or even the school for that matter"

then maybe you should ask yourself why it's being done in the first place.

12/24/2008 6:01:18 PM

It is in the school arena during a school event. You sure it has nothing to do with the school? I am also pretty sure that you are not paying to go to these events to hear the national anthem.

^^ and that is why you won't ever be invited to any birthday party of mine. But if you did do that I would laugh my ass off it would be hilarious I wouldn't get my panties in a giant wad.

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 6:04 PM. Reason : adfasdf]

12/24/2008 6:02:49 PM

i can understand shouting the "red" part...but the home of the wolfpack part is just lame

12/24/2008 6:14:32 PM

oh to be young and think that I am rebellious again, those were the times. Everything your parents do is stupid!

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 6:52 PM. Reason : d]

12/24/2008 6:50:13 PM

Wow what is so hard about showing some school spirit for athletic events. I assume you are attending these events to support your team.
Your logic is really dumb isn't it? The difference between you and me is I don't care if people do it and I don't care if they don't. I just don't like the sanctimonious preaching from neo-patriot rednecks.

12/24/2008 7:03:21 PM

you are so easy... you try to reduce everything down to "hes against me, he must be a patriotic redneck"... I am the farthest thing on here from a redneck, trust me. Its a minute and a half. I know that I have enough school spirit that I can let a minute and a half pass without losing my identity, but I guess you are afraid that time will make you forget who you are cheering for... I am sorry that ruins your little world to be quiet for a minute and a half if only to be respectful of other people. Do you blabber on during the pregame prayer if you are at a school that does that? Look at me! I am SOOOO atheist! woo hoo!


dude, your whole photo gallery is wandering around in the woods looking for snakes... you call me a redneck?

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 7:15 PM. Reason : d]

12/24/2008 7:12:47 PM

It is disrespectful.
It is definitely lame.
If UNC did this, we'd all fucking hate it.

None of that has to do with your right to do it. Ofcourse you should be allowed. Listen to Jaybee already. Doesn't mean it isn't somewhat embarrassing. More than once I've taken somone to a game and they've asked something to the effect "Isn't that a little disrespectful?"

12/24/2008 7:14:47 PM

^ exactly, especially the UNC part

12/24/2008 7:15:47 PM

this is all the post 9/11 neo patriotism. Other institutions do this without the flack. Just because I choose to do something different than you do during a national anthem you all have to cry about it. Grow up some people don't think like you do

12/24/2008 8:15:57 PM

um no, nothing at all to do with 9/11. I went to dozens and dozens of college games long before 9/11. Yeah, so you are different so you don't have to listen to the anthem, sing it or anything, but is it really that hard to stay quiet for the people that do respect it? Once again, the Muslim example... I am not Muslim at all, but if I was around a Muslim person and they asked me to just be quiet for a minute I think i could handle that just out of respect for something that they feel is important even though I am "different" from them.

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 8:21 PM. Reason : d]

12/24/2008 8:20:58 PM

If you want to hear the national anthem uninterrupted you can stay at home and play it hell you can even wack off to it if you want. You are seriously getting your panties in a wad about a fucking song that isn't even complete to the tune of a british drinking song being played in an arena for a sporting even and fans in the arena are emphasizing one word and changing the last. Is this really worth bitching about really?

12/24/2008 8:28:14 PM

apparently it is, you have kept it going. So if I want a cheap coke I should just stay at home? a better deal on a hotdog?

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 8:35 PM. Reason : d]

12/24/2008 8:33:38 PM

Merry Christmas, er... Happy Holidays!

12/24/2008 8:57:08 PM

^ don't oppress me you proto neo hippie southern baptist Phoenician

12/24/2008 8:58:30 PM

singing Rocky Top is classless and disrespectful

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 11:09 PM. Reason : MERRY CHRISTMAS!]

12/24/2008 11:08:58 PM

It's funny because some people just don't get it. It reminds me of a South Park episode (from which I learn an alarming amount of stuff) where black people are called niggers. To whites, it's just a stupid word, but to many blacks, it means so much more. It's a symbol of a really tough time that has been overcome. The same can be said with regards to the National Anthem. To most of us, it's just a stupid song that get's sung prior to sporting events. But to the people who were pulled from their lives and almost died or who had close friends who died, well it means a lot more.

I have been in the military for over 11 years now. That's nothing at all compared to the sacrifice that many Americans made for their country. And if those people have a request as small... as absolutely miniscule as respecting our National Anthem, then I have no problem at all doing it.

It's not taking away from my free speech. It just isn't, and anyone who argues to the contrary is being nothing but a whiny little spoiled bitch. I am free to run into a church service on Sunday morning and flip the pastor off, say his wife is a whore, and leave. I am also free to go into a nursing home wearing nothing but a thong and hit on the elderly. But I don't do these things, for one because it's stupid, and secondly because I have respect for people. It's just that simple. For once it would be nice if people would think about more than just themselves and forget about trying to come up with creative ways as to how their rights are being violated. But once again, the people in question are little more than children out of high school, and they really don't know any better. Someday they will, but not now.

12/25/2008 12:27:52 AM

Quote :

"For once it would be nice if people would think about more than just themselves and forget about trying to come up with creative ways as to how their rights are being violated."

exactly, and that one fucker called me a liberal hahaha

12/25/2008 12:30:17 AM

i don't really think it's disrespectful, but i do think it's kind of lame in a "wolfpack in the HOUUUUSE," "n. c. state... ncstate" type way

12/25/2008 12:43:19 AM

I, too, have yelled RED and WOLFPACK during the national anthem

12/25/2008 1:06:47 AM

If the point of the event is the national anthem all your arguments make sense however if you are there to watch a game... This is no different than some singer butchering the national anthem trying to show off.

12/25/2008 7:49:18 AM

well, 1. the difference is you cant control the singer, you can control yourself unless you have Tourettes, and 2. as I have mentioned before there are plenty of things that go on at a game that have nothing to do with the game itself and you still have expectations for them... "they just spit in my coke, but I cant complain because I just came here for the game", "there are not bathrooms, but I just came here for the game so I cant be pissed there are no bathrooms"

12/25/2008 10:34:23 AM

and you can't control the actions of other people. Sooooo quit whining. I am not asking you to do anything during the anthem and I expect the same courtesy. In other words mind your own damn business.
It is pretty interesting that you have gotten so upset about my arguments that you are resorting to looking through my photo gallery and trying to find out as much about me as you can. Really kind of pathetic.

[Edited on December 25, 2008 at 11:08 AM. Reason : ads]

12/25/2008 11:04:34 AM

and I never said I wanted to control them, in fact, I said the opposite of that... I want them to do it out of respect, not because they feel they have to

12/25/2008 11:07:48 AM

For the sake of argument, I find your slavs&polacks reference disrespectful. Would I
A. Start a thread on TWW whining about it or
B. Just be a man and ignore it.
I know you aren't the OP but you sure have continued long after he gave up. Your definition of respectful and my definition of respectful are fundamentally different. I could argue you should be more respectful of the institution that and the traditions established at the institution long before you arrived there. But I don't really care if you do it or not. I will support the country and alma mater in the way I see fit and I suggest you do the same. /thread

12/25/2008 11:35:17 AM

how is Slavs and Polacks/Pole disrespectful? thats what people from those/that particular areas/country are called. It would be like calling someone from Dublin "Irish". And by pure logic the Anthem had to be around before people started yelling out a certain word during that same anthem. And that's not even an issue as its not "if you are quiet during it you are against NC State!", you can easily be respectful and still support your school, its really not that hard. I think "being a man" would be to "sacrifice" one minute of your precious time to be respectful and not because you are forced to do it.







[Edited on December 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM. Reason : d]

12/25/2008 12:33:28 PM

ibtl?

12/25/2008 1:27:01 PM

Quote :

"If you're anti "RED/ HOME OF THE WOLFPACK" b/c you think it's disrespectful to the United States of America I sure hope you've done somthing for this country (jury duty, voted... somthing) b/c there are WAAAAAY more disrespectful things done in this nation than adjusting the Star Spangled Banner at a sporting event."

i went to a service academy and served in uniform for 5 years

every time i go to a state game (both when i was in the service and since i got out) I always cringe when people do this shit and think "there go the fucking rednecks again"

but then again we were taught to stand at attention and honor the national anthem for what it is and what it stands for

[Edited on December 25, 2008 at 1:38 PM. Reason : .]

12/25/2008 1:36:52 PM

Dec. 25th, 2008


Goalielax and Jaybee1200 agree on something


the last time this happened was when we agreed on the dominance of the SEC

12/25/2008 1:38:41 PM