i would ask for visual confirmation from HR that you passed the substance test

you know, so you know what your situation is for future tests with other companies

2/13/2008 11:25:59 AM

i dont know man, usually when i start a new good job, im like the best employee they have for at least the first few weeks or so

2/13/2008 2:28:17 PM

in conclusion

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"work for the government, yo."

2/13/2008 7:29:11 PM

thanks for the advice from the people who weren't being rude. Oh well I blew a chance to make a cool 2 g's before my trip...

2/13/2008 10:20:19 PM

By being rude you mean disagreeing with your opinion and thinking you're generally stupid?

OK I am guilty as charged.

2/13/2008 10:36:25 PM

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" uh, yeah it does because it's talking about their actions, not their choices (that's why I used more than one analogy -- some with things of choice, some without) iow, nice try, but you lose and just to show that either you can't read, or you're just a troll I even provided the conclusion of the analogies at the end of my post: Quote : "iow,....his equating being grown up with obeying, consenting, or acquiescing to immoral authority, is laughable, yet sad" you just can't pass up the opportunity to spew your drug bigotry, can you?"

And I guess you can't pass up a chance to complain about something as trivial as a company not wanting its employee's to be drug users. If you think that a citizen has a right to do drugs fine, but a CEO or board of directors also has the right to enforce a policy that they don't want users working for them.

I could personally care less what you decide to do in your free time, but it makes me laugh how somehow in this country "my right to whatever i want" has become the montre of our generation. "Whatever I want to do is my choice, but you can't react to it in any way"...If a company doesn't want to hire someone for whatever reason it's their right, so find somewhere else to work that doesn't do drug screening if you just HAVE to smoke up.

Give me a break...if you don't have enough sack to realize you need to stop smoking to get a job, or can't i guess...then you're not going to be that committed of an employee anyway.

"Drug Bigotry"...haha...ok. We'll push our "Drug Bigotry" as long as you continue to rant about "pro-drug ...whatever it is you're trying to say"...maybe we should just legalize everything so we can all smoke some rock before we go to work everyday. I bet the economy would be in better shape then....

2/15/2008 12:43:52 PM

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"has become the montre of our generation"

2/18/2008 12:35:28 PM

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/montre

2/18/2008 12:54:29 PM

Yeah, I'm sure he meant a hole in the side of a kiln or an organ stop.

2/18/2008 12:58:39 PM

I think its pretty obvious that your employer reads this thread

2/18/2008 2:04:59 PM

^hahaha that would be hilarious

2/19/2008 1:57:38 AM

^^ or he read LetsTAILGATE's facebook/myspace.

Either way, you don't just get fired for a scheduling snafu, you ever watch that TV show where contestants *have* to get fired by a certain time? I was amazed the amount of shit they had to pull on most employers to get fired on the first/second day.

If you did in fact pass the drug test, they either found out something about you by unofficial channels, or you are infact as immature/stupid as this thread leads most of us to believe.

LIFE, my friend, is not as easy as the board game might have led you to believe


[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 2:52 AM. Reason : ]

2/19/2008 2:52:03 AM

pretty immature^ but I LOVE LIFE!!!! and I don't smoke ps for all of you out there you constantly call me a pothead. I was worried about smoking once in 2008.

2/19/2008 10:40:45 PM

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"I don't smoke "

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"I was worried about smoking once in 2008."

Haha. This thread is gold.

2/19/2008 10:52:23 PM

I want sticky buds.....that sticky gooey.

2/20/2008 12:14:33 AM

wow, there sure are a bunch of holier than thou assholes in this thread.

2/20/2008 3:45:58 PM

haha, this thread has been truly amusing...dumbass got what he deserved (drug usage of any kind aside, he sounds like he probably hasn't reached an acceptable level of maturity required for the real world)

^ waaaaaaaaaaah! WAAAAAAAAAAH!

2/20/2008 4:00:19 PM

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"sounds like alot of y'all missed your calling as high school guidance counselors "

2/20/2008 4:25:08 PM

^^I don't get it. Are you implying that I'm crying about something?

not to mention you just proved my point for me. you must be really cool

[Edited on February 20, 2008 at 4:27 PM. Reason : .]

2/20/2008 4:26:14 PM

well, i've certainly never failed a drug test and i've certainly never failed to completely impress a future (or current employer)...i'm a douche to idiots who whine about failing drugs and/or get fired from a new job because they suck, but overall, i think i'm pretty cool

you just aren't cool enough to understand my level of coolness, therefore you're a nonentity

2/20/2008 4:48:08 PM

I've never failed a drug test or been fired from a job either, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I was just simply stating how everyone in here acts like they're perfect while totally ripping on the guy for smoking a little weed. Get a fucking life

[Edited on February 20, 2008 at 4:58 PM. Reason : .]

2/20/2008 4:57:11 PM

i think people are ripping on him for being a failure at life in every aspect, not JUST smoking weed

regardless of your personal drug philosophy, you've got to be an absolute idiot to not realize that:

1.) pot is illegal...bitch and moan about it all you want, but it's still illegal for rec use
2.) companies, especially large companies, do drug tests...if you're not aware of this, you probably don't belong at said company
3.) they can tell if you've smoked recently...if you don't have the foresight to realize that smoking a joint once might keep you back from opportunities down the road, you are probably too stupid to do the job you were applying for anyway

does this confuse you? i don't give a rat's ass what drugs you do or don't do (i, personally, don't do any)...but not understanding how the real world works is just plain dumb and this kid probably doesn't deserve the opportunity if he's going to waste it, and then bitch about it...i suspect you fall into that category as well since you seem so bent on defending ineptitude

2/20/2008 5:04:50 PM

^haha, right. I do just fine, thank you very much, but I like how you think you know so much about me because I was defending the guy. What I do in my spare time, is none of your business, nor anyone else's for that matter. Yes, it would've been his fault for failing the test, but HE DIDN'T. So shut the fuck up. Once again, I doubt you're perfect, so for you to say he "fails at life" is laughable. People in glass houses my friend...

In conclusion, it's fairly obvious that you're a fucking tool, that's all. I don't give a fuck what anyone does, but I know an asshole when I see one.

2/20/2008 9:53:28 PM

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"i think employers of a certain size have to test, otherwise they're penalized by their insurers."

certainly not true, unless they are talking about super huge companies and shit. but i know first hand that we don't. i actually helped design the new policy (saves us money, saves you privacy), which i will get to soon

sorry about your job dude, sounds like some wires got crossed. don't listen to the haters. lots of them get off on seeing people fail. honestly, i think that a lot of these people subliminally like you a lot more when you suck. ie, when i was into drugs and not working or doing shit with my life, i had a reasonable amount of tww "friends". now that i quit getting fucked up and started working full time plus spend tons of hours per week trying to start up my own business, people keep telling me how i "used to be better/cooler/funnier" when i did drugs. im totally the same. watch pretty much the same tv, like the same kind of jokes, etc etc etc. only difference is that i am going somewhere with me life. and that shit bugs people

so fuck em, keep your chin up. if you got that one, you'll get another one no problem.

also to whoever called it drug bigotry, i totally agree. and i got a small victory for you potheads last week. we allow marijuana in random drug tests now. EXCEPT for the ones involving company vehicles/worker's comp, etc. but if they think bob is fucking up and they random test him, and its just pot, they toss the results and count a negative.

only time problems come up is when bob is using something hard. if we find out bob is on cocaine, bob has 30 days to piss clean. if bob manages to pass that one, he is subject to randoms for 6 months. if he fails another, he is terminated -- with a final paycheck and a full month of insurance benefits plus the remainder of the current month (to start treatment if he wants) - example if he got fired today, his insurance lasts through the end of march.

if bob makes it out of the probationary 6 month period after failing a drug test for hard shit, he goes back in the pack. and doesnt ever get drug tested again unless:

1) he is involved in a workers comp claim (i think that may be law. i know its at least an ass coverer)
2) his work performance deteriorates to the point where his supervisor(s) to believe he may be using drugs.

those are the only 2 ways to get tested with us. no pre-employment, no bullshit random testing. drug testing is an invasion of privacy and its good to see more companies realizing that. it's a hard line to draw in the sand, and its hard to make people do something you are against. but at some point you have to say "bob is coming in here looking half dead every day and he is acting totally fucked up" - and worry about your company, and make sure you don't have a cokehead or a heroin user working for you. but same idea working, i hate referring people for a test, but i feel comfortable doing it now that i know there's a series of chances for the person if they fail.

i mean you can fail for cocaine, and sit down and make the choice to get help and not test positive again for 6 months, and keep your job, and never get in trouble. and even if you fail 2 in a row, they understand how real addiction is, and they understand how important it is to stop wasting money searching out potheads, and putting that money toward making sure every member of the family gets a full final paycheck, and that they have insurance for at least 30 days (could be up to 50+ depending on when) - more than long enough to get into treatment. at that point you do lose your job, but most other companies love the chance to toss someone and steal all their vacation time and shit.

anyways just thought i'd pick this thread to tell everyone about our new drug policy. very progressive, and VERY cool. stop wasting money scanning every new hire for pot. save that money and use it to help the members of our company family who fall victim to drug addiction, and make sure we gave them every chance we could before we give up on them. and even when we give up, make sure they leave with money in their pocket and a chance to change. in other words, i think we do more for society than the "system" thats designed to protect us!

2/20/2008 10:50:36 PM

^good read. Props my friend

2/21/2008 9:12:13 AM

That's a really good policy and can't say I see anything wrong with it. Props!

2/21/2008 9:34:04 AM

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"we allow marijuana in random drug tests now."

that's awesome.

2/21/2008 9:40:09 AM

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"What I do in my spare time, is none of your business, nor anyone else's for that matter."

actually, while it may not be any of my business, it is very much the business of the government in the country in which you live...you can piss and moan about it all you want...i suppose you can leave, if you'd like

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"So shut the fuck up."

OR ELSE WHAT?

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"Once again, I doubt you're perfect, so for you to say he "fails at life" is laughable. People in glass houses my friend... In conclusion, it's fairly obvious that you're a fucking tool, that's all. I don't give a fuck what anyone does, but I know an asshole when I see one."

1.) i'm pretty damn close to perfect
2.) i'm not your friend...i'm quite sure i wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire
3.) if you don't give a fuck about what anyone does, why does it bother you so much what my opinions are? or, did you mean to say that you don't give a fuck what anyone does as long as it falls within your idea of correct opinions?

you're no different than anyone else...you think your viewpoints are "right" and i think mine are "right"...try not to get so worked up, kid...i can't believe it helps your blood pressure

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 3:39 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2008 3:38:36 PM

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2/26/2008 11:06:20 AM

Personally, I could really care less what people do in their spare time. But I think jackleg's policy is missing the mark, and here's why. I think drugs are an issue of... I don't want to use the word "morality", but I really can't come up with the exact right one so it will have to do. Drug tests are one way to look inside a prospective employee's private life to get a glimpse as to how that might translate into their professional life. I would venture to say that someone who breaks a federal law (drug use) would be much more likely to break rules in a corporation (minor theft, inappropriate workplace relationships, etc.) I am not saying that they always correlate, but given Person A who does drugs and Person B who is clean, I would have to say that person B would be more likely to adhere to company rules, all other things being equal.

Along the same lines, if they had a blood test they could do to test for bigotry, racism, and porn addiction, I imagine many employers would perform the tests. Not because of the legality or illegality of the issues, but simply because it takes a snapshot of the prospective employee's character.

2/27/2008 2:24:28 PM

Kind of like how they already refuse to hire some people with bad credit scores.

2/27/2008 2:28:01 PM

What's wrong with porn?

2/27/2008 2:35:04 PM

He said porn addiction.

2/27/2008 2:36:23 PM

No such thing!

2/27/2008 3:18:19 PM

Sounds like a compassionate policy, jackleg. Obviously your company doesn't understand how the "real world" works, though.

What happens if Bob passes the 30 day test and the 6 month randoms, but then fails again later? Back in the probationary period, or cut loose?

[Edited on February 27, 2008 at 3:21 PM. Reason : ]

2/27/2008 3:19:16 PM

If he fails again later it's probably because they're testing him again because of his performance. If it's the same problem they'd probably fire him.

2/27/2008 3:21:50 PM

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"actually, while it may not be any of my business, it is very much the business of the government in the country in which you live"

not so much

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"I think drugs are an issue of... I don't want to use the word "morality", but I really can't come up with the exact right one so it will have to do. Drug tests are one way to look inside a prospective employee's private life to get a glimpse as to how that might translate into their professional life. I would venture to say that someone who breaks a federal law (drug use) would be much more likely to break rules in a corporation (minor theft, inappropriate workplace relationships, etc.)"

Do you believe fighting preemptive wars? Do you believe people with bad credit shouldn't be hired for jobs? These are kinda the same things as what you're saying above.

2/27/2008 4:09:17 PM

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"Do you believe fighting preemptive wars? Do you believe people with bad credit shouldn't be hired for jobs? These are kinda the same things as what you're saying above."

Preemptive wars..... now comparing these two is kind of a stretch. Without getting off topic, I would say that in most cases I think preemptive wars are not the answer, but I do believe there are some circumstances that they would be justified.

As for the bad credit thing, YES! If I had Joe (with good credit) and Bob (with bad credit) in for an interview, and they were of equal caliber, then I think it would be VERY dumb of me to hire Bob. Things like credit scores can tell you a lot about a person. I could infer that since Bob isn't mature enough to manage his money and/or pay back debt, then he probably isn't mature enough to handle a high profile job. I could also glean from this that Bob will probably have financial issues at home, and that like it or not, this could translate into his job performance.

Now mind you, these are 100% stereotypes. Bob might turn out to be the greatest employee ever, and Joe a deadbeat, but with only the information I have in front of me, Joe would be the better choice. And since I am the one hiring him, and I will be paying him with MY money, then why in the world would I hire someone who has shown irresponsibility with respect to money?

2/27/2008 4:55:06 PM

I don't see how it is a stereotype when there have been countless studies by major companies, specifically insurance companies which show a direct correlation between bad credit and other bad things happening.

2/27/2008 5:07:48 PM