Oh for sure, I'm all about trading the 13th pick either way. There are a lot of early second round OT's that would be fine once the first 3(Long, Clady, Williams) are off the board.I still say we're most likely taking Williams at 13, though there's a slight chance Clady drops to us if KC goes DT at 5.LOL at these homertard mocks I've read lately with us taking McFadden/Brohm/Morgan or whoever.. if it's not OT, our first rounder will prolly be DE with the intent of trading up for an OT early in the second.
3/12/2008 3:32:48 PM
My mock that I've been messing with for the past 4 hours:1. Miami Dolphins: Chris Long - DE, UVAThe safest choice in a year that sucks to pick first. They'd love to trade down obviously, but I like this pick better than Matt Ryan if they can't.2. St. Louis Rams: Jake Long - OT, MichiganLong isn't as athletic as Joe Thomas from last year, but he did post a staggering 37 reps at the bench press. He'll be fine starting at RT until Pace eventually moves on or retires.3. Atlanta Falcons: Glen Dorsey - DT, LSUThe Falcons would prefer Jake Long to drop in their lap here for a safer pick, because Dorsey is anything but safe. He does have tremendous upside though, and Atlanta may be willing to gamble that reports of his injury troubles have been greatly exaggerated. Taking a franchise QB(Ryan) here is also likely, but there will be 2-3 viable candidates still availible when they pick again.4. Oakland Raiders: Darren McFadden - RB, ArkansasWho cares how many illegitamite kids he runs out on when he does so at a rate of 40 yards per 4.3 seconds? Certainly not the Raiders. 5. Kansas City Chiefs: Sedrick Ellis - DT, USCThis is the player Atlanta will eventually wish they had picked at #3. He will demand double teams and could be the final piece of the puzzle in the Chiefs' ever improving defense. There's more value here than with Clady, and there will be good OT's availble in the 2nd round.6. New York Jets: Vernon Ghoulston - DE, OSUGreat value here, he's a high motor guy who will make an immediate impact. Nothing to cry about this year Jets fans, this is the best case scenario for you.7. New England: Leodis McKelvin - CB, TroyThey'll have whatever CB they like best with this pick, looks like McKelvin at the moment.8. Baltimore Ravens: Matt Ryan - QB, BCNow that Billick is gone, what possible use could they have for Kyle Boller? P.S. Troy Smith is still short.9. Cincinnatti Bengals: Keith Rivers - LB, USCThey should try to trade out of this pick, Mendenhall would be an even bigger stretch than Rivers, in a perfect world Dorsey or Ghoulston would have dropped to 9 but they're the Bungals.10. New Orleans Saints: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - CB, TSUA great combine seems to have vaulted him up the the #2 corner, he fits well at the #10 pick for one of the worst secondaries in the league.11. Buffalo Bills: Malcolm Kelly - WR, OklamomaLee Evans, while good for 2-3 spectacular games per year, needs a lot of help.12. Denver Broncos: Ryan Clady - OT, BSUI hate to say it but with Rivers off the board the donkeys are gonna have to ruin my day and take Clady. They have a lot of needs to address in this draft, Matt Lepsis retiring is near the top of the list.13. Carolina Panthers: Chris Williams - OT, VandyA solid pick at 13 for a team who currently has no one playing RT. If we learned one thing from last year, it is the importance of keeping the QB healthy. This kid can do that.14. Chicago Bears: Rashard Mendenhall - RB, IllinoisCedric Benson has been a dissappointment ever since they drafted him. OT is also a pressing need but there's better value in the playmaker who may end up being the best RB in this draft.15. Detroit Lions: Mike Jenkins - CB, USFCorners have been a priority for the Lions this offseason but they could use another one, Jenkins is a steal at 15.16. Arizona Cardinals: James Stewart - RB, OregonThe new Cardinals regime made it quite clear they want to run the ball last year when they reached for Levi Jones. Unfortunately, Edgerrin James has since made it clear that his best days are behind him.17. Minnesota Vikings: Phillip Merling - DE, ClemsonStrickly a need pick, expect them to take Harvey if for some reason Merling isn't availible.18. Houston Texans: Aqib Talib - CB, KansasHis stock has been dropping but he ran well at the combine. Houston desprately needs another corner to put opposite Dunta Robinson, Jacques Reeves is horrible.19. Philidelphia Eagles: Jeff Otah - OT, PittsburghThey could go a lot of directions with this pick(WR/DE/S), but Andy Reid likes drafting linemen and Winston Justice isn't very good.20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: DeShaun Jackson - WR, CaliforniaHe's similiar to Ted Ginn but at least they aren't drafting him 9th. He may end up being more like Santana Moss though, you never know.21. Washington Redskins: Lawrence Jackson - DE, USCQuick, name an active DE on the Redskins roster...22. Dallas Cowboys: Limas Sweed - WR, TennesseeWith no glaring holes on their roster, Dallas will take the best player availible at WR/CB. Or maybe Jerry Jones will make them reach for Felix Jones and pretend that that's the Arkansas RB he wanted all along.23. Pittsburgh Steelers: Branden Albert - G, UVAAlan Faneca no longer plays for the Steelers.24. Tennessee Titans: James Hardy - WR, IndianaHe has character issues, but may be the most physically gifted WR in this draft. Expect him to do nothing either way though, Vince Young is throwing the ball.25. Seattle Seahawks: Kentwan Balmer - DT, UNCThe playoffs were going so well for Seattle last year until Ryan Grant snapped off 200 yards, they will try to shore up their interior with this pick.26. Jacksonville Jaguars: Calais Campbell - DE, MiamiDel Rio loves huge defensive linemen and Campbell certainly fits the bill. He would have gone earlier if he'd managed to show up to the combine in shape.27. San Diego Chargers: Gosder Cherilus - OT, BCThey also need a safety to put next to Weddle, but there really isn't one with 1st round caliber talent in this draft.28. Dallas Cowboys: Antoine Cason - CB, ArizonaThey need to get younger at corner despite drafting Newman just a few years ago(he was 26 at the time).29. San Francisco 49ers: Quentin Groves - DE/OLB, AuburnPaired with Manny Lawson on the outside and Patrick Willis in the middle, the 49ers will have a great young LB core moving forward.30. Green Bay Packers: Brandon Flowers - CB, VTGB's corners are ancient. Justin King would also be an acceptable choice.31. New York Giants: Dan Connor - LB, PSULooks like Strahan will retire and Kiwanuka will move back to DE. Oh, and they lost all their other LBs to free agency.
3/12/2008 9:30:09 PM
I just don't understand why McFadden is labeled a savior. He's good -- damn good -- but I don't think he's consensus best-player-in-the-draft good. He runs fast, but not insanely fast. He runs hard, but he's not very big. He had a good year, but underachieved for much of it. Plus he's got some serious off-the-field baggage. I just don't see what the fuss is about.
3/12/2008 9:52:19 PM
Ok, I take one of the above back. 4.33 is insanely fast. Still...
3/12/2008 9:53:23 PM
he's pretty big and powerfull too, 6'2/215ish
3/12/2008 9:57:45 PM
6'2 215 is not that big. If he were 5'8 215, it'd be another story.
3/13/2008 9:04:05 AM
I think some people expect McFadden to be the next AP, but I'm not sure if that's gonna workout. McFadden is also very versatile, I mean just watch the Wildcat offense and see how good he was in it. He can throw, run, and catch, he's an all-around back but for some reason I'm not as convinced he'll be great as I was for AP.
3/13/2008 10:16:56 AM
versatile doesn't help you so much in the no fun leagueain't no way anybody's running wildcat unless their quarterback is chris weinkeand the only way to get significant receptions out of the backfield is to play for andy reid
3/13/2008 10:30:36 AM
^^Pretty sure it was the WildHOG offense.
3/13/2008 10:38:25 AM
^^ look for gore to run it in sf[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 10:54 AM. Reason : .]
3/13/2008 10:53:38 AM
^^^You don't have to run a Wildhog/Wildcat offense to pass the ball. Look at LT, he has several passing TD's, it just adds a lot of options for trick/gadget plays if your RB can throw the ball well. And there are more offenses that get the ball to the RB in the air, I mean SD and STL definitely utilize the RB out of the backfield.
3/13/2008 11:22:48 AM
3/13/2008 11:59:53 AM
No way Atlanta doesn't take Ryan at #3 after releasing 2 of their QBs. I also find it interesting you have the Jets passing on him too considering they pretty much have no QB either.
3/13/2008 12:41:42 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I don't see it in Matt Ryan & don't think he's worth a top 10 pickI, personally, wouldn't take a qb w/ a top 10 pick this year, and would instead opt for one early in round 2, hoping for either flacco or woodson (but then again I have no scouting or gm experience )
3/13/2008 2:03:52 PM
^^ I think the Jets will go CB before they go QB in round 1, it's also possible McFadden will drop to them. As for Ryan, I think his fate depends a lot on Dorsey. If Dorsey continues to drop(as far at #9 imo), ATL will probably draft Ryan or Ellis(who is better suited for NT anyways) at #3. There's also the possibility that STL will not take Long at #2 and he'll fall to ATL, Barron kinda sucks and Pace is nearing the end but they have needs other than OT.There are good QBs, OTs, CBs, and even DTs that project well in the early 2nd round. Teams in the top 10 will definately take that into consideration.
3/13/2008 2:26:53 PM
atlanta should take d-mac ahead of ryan to continue the tradition of running backs with off-field issues behind center
3/13/2008 8:48:15 PM
what are y'alls thoughts on manningham?i think his weak performance will make him a steal in a later round, because i still think he's got the goods and can deliver them.If he potentially drops to as far as the titans in the 2nd round, I would be stoked.
3/17/2008 7:11:46 AM
^He had a bad performance at the Combine, but ESPN reported he had a good performance at his individual work-out and should be a low first-round pick.
3/17/2008 10:12:55 AM
UPDATE: I'm standing pat on my top ten for now, mixed up a lot of the mid/late first round thoughROUND 1:1. Miami Dolphins: Chris Long - DE, UVAA versatile player who will come in and make an immediate impact on a defense with a lot of holes. They'd love to trade this pick, but it takes two to tango.2. St. Louis Rams: Jake Long - OT, MichiganLong isn't as athletic as Joe Thomas from last year, but he did post a staggering 37 reps at the bench press. He's a sure thing at RT, his natuaral position, and he may develop into a good LT by the time Pace hangs it up. Barron has been a dissappointment so expect them to address their offensive line before the defensive front.3. Atlanta Falcons: Glen Dorsey - DT, LSUThe Falcons would prefer Jake Long to drop in their lap for a no brainer pick, because Dorsey is anything but safe. He does have tremendous upside though, and Atlanta may be willing to gamble that reports of his injury troubles have been greatly exaggerated. Taking a franchise QB(Ryan) here is also likely, but there will be 2-3 viable candidates still availible when they pick again.4. Oakland Raiders: Darren McFadden - RB, ArkansasWho cares how many illegitamite kids he runs out on when he does so at a rate of 40 yards per 4.3 seconds? Certainly not the Raiders. 5. Kansas City Chiefs: Sedrick Ellis - DT, USCThis is the player Atlanta will eventually wish they had picked at #3. He will demand double teams and could be the final piece of the puzzle in the Chiefs' ever improving defense. There's more value here than with Clady, and there will be good OT's availble in the 2nd round. Trading down and drafting Otah would also be good.6. New York Jets: Vernon Ghoulston - DE, OSUGreat value here, he's a high motor guy who will make an immediate impact. Nothing to cry about this year Jets fans, this is the best case scenario for you. I would not be surprised to see someone trade up and draft this freak of nature.7. New England: Leodis McKelvin - CB, TroyThey'll have whatever CB they like best with this pick, looks like McKelvin at the moment.8. Baltimore Ravens: Matt Ryan - QB, BCNow that Billick is gone, what possible use could they have for Kyle Boller? P.S. Troy Smith is still short.9. Cincinnatti Bengals: Keith Rivers - LB, USCThey should try to trade out of this pick, Mendenhall would be an even bigger stretch than Rivers. In a perfect world Dorsey or Ghoulston would have dropped to 9 but hey hey they're the Bungals.10. New Orleans Saints: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - CB, TSUA great combine seems to have vaulted him up the the #2 corner, he fits well at the #10 pick for one of the worst secondaries in the league.11. Buffalo Bills: Malcolm Kelly - WR, OklamomaLee Evans, while good for 2-3 spectacular games per year, needs a lot of help.12. Denver Broncos: Ryan Clady - OT, BSUI hate to say it but with Rivers off the board the donkeys are gonna have to ruin my day and take Clady. They have a lot of needs to address in this draft, Matt Lepsis retiring is near the top of the list.13. Carolina Panthers: Chris Williams - OT, VandyA solid pick at 13 for a team who desperately needs an OT. If we learned one thing from last year, it is the importance of keeping the QB healthy. This kid can do that. Look for us to possibly trade up for Clady who is more ready to start.14. Chicago Bears: Jeff Otah - OT, PittsburghImproving the running game will be a priority this draft, fans will want Mendenhall but I think the front office will want the best run blocking tackle availible.15. Detroit Lions: Rashard Mendenhall - RB, IllinoisThey just cut Kevin Jones, so I don't see them passing on Mendenhall if he falls to them. He's definately top ten talent and could easily be the best RB of the draft.16. Arizona Cardinals: Mike Jenkins - CB, USFThey're converting Rolle to safety so CB is a big need for this draft. James Stewart would've been a possibility if he didn't just get surgery at the worst time ever.17. Minnesota Vikings: Phillip Merling - DE, ClemsonStrickly a need pick, expect them to take Harvey if for some reason Merling isn't availible. He just had minor surgery on a hernia that kept him from running at the combine, but I don't expect that to effect his draft status.18. Houston Texans: Aqib Talib - CB, KansasHis stock has been dropping but he ran well at the combine. Houston desprately needs another corner to put opposite Dunta Robinson, Jacques Reeves is horrible. Again, Stewart would have fit here if not for his recent surgery. 19. Philidelphia Eagles: DeShaun Jackson - WR, CaliforniaHe's similiar to Ted Ginn but at least they aren't drafting him 9th, maybe he'll end up more like Santana Moss though. Andy Reid would rather draft a lineman but he doesn't really need another DE and there aren't any other great values on the board.20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Antoine Cason - CB, ArizonaA decent fit for their aging Cover 2. They could also go WR here and fill their CB need later in the draft.21. Washington Redskins: Derrick Harvey - DE, FloridaQuick, name an active DE on the Redskins roster... My hat is off to you if you came up with Andre Carter, the skins would be very lucky to get Harvery right here.22. Dallas Cowboys: Jonathan Stewart - RB, OregonHe fell a bit but not out of the 1st round, the Cowboys can afford to wait a few months for him to get healthy. Felix Jones actually does fit a little better in terms of complimenting Barber, but Stewart's talent is just too much to ignore at this pick.23. Pittsburgh Steelers: Branden Albert - G, UVAThey need someone to replace Faneca and Albert might be the 3rd or 4th best lineman in the whole draft.24. Tennessee Titans: Limas Sweed - WR, TexasVince Young likes throwing to people that went to Texas, but that doesn't mean he'll be any good at it. Have fun in the free agent market of 2011 Limas.25. Seattle Seahawks: Kentwan Balmer - DT, UNCThe playoffs were going so well for Seattle last year until Ryan Grant snapped off 200 yards, they will try to shore up their interior with this pick.26. Jacksonville Jaguars: Calais Campbell - DE, MiamiDel Rio loves huge defensive linemen and Campbell certainly fits the bill. He would have gone earlier if he'd managed to show up to the combine in shape.27. San Diego Chargers: Kenny Philips - FS, MiamiPretty weak year for safeties, but SD needs someone to line up next to Weddle. They'll gladly take Phillips if he drops this far.28. Dallas Cowboys: Justin King - CB, PSUWith no glaring holes on their roster, Dallas will take the best player availible at CB/WR. They have a lot of options here.29. San Francisco 49ers: Quentin Groves - DE/OLB, AuburnGroves paired with Manny Lawson on the outside and complimenting Patrick Willis in the middle, the 49ers will have a great young LB core moving forward.30. Green Bay Packers: Reggie Smith - CB/S, OklahomaSmith is a versatile player who can help their aging secondary in a number of ways.31. New York Giants: Dan Connor - LB, PSULooks like Strahan will retire and Kiwanuka will move back to DE. Oh, and they lost most of their other LBs to free agency.
3/17/2008 1:17:06 PM
ROUND 2:32. MIA: Gosder Cherilus - OT, BC33. STL: Lawrence Jackson - DE, USC34. ATL: Brian Brohm - QB, Louisville(from Hall trade)35. KC : Carl Nicks - OT, Nebraska36. NYJ: Jerod Mayo - LB, Tennessee37. ATL: Sam Baker - OT, USC38. BAL: Anthony Collins - OT, Kansas39. SF : Devin Thomas - WR, MSU40. NO : Pat Sims - DT, Auburn41. BUF: Brandon Flowers - CB, VT42. DEN: James Hardy - WR, Indiana43. CAR: Dre Moore - DT, Maryland44. CHI: Felix Jones - RB, Arkansas45. DET: Curtis Lofton - LB, oklamoma46. CIN: Jamal Charles - RB, Oklamoma47. MIN: Joe Flacco - QB, Delaware48. ATL: Tracy Porter - CB, Indiana49. PHI: DeJuan Morgan - FS, NCSU50. ARI: Cliff Avril - DE, Purdue51. WAs: Early Doucet - WR, LSU52. TB : Fred Davis - TE, USC53. PIT: Quentin Demps - FS, UTEP54. TEN: Chris Ellis - DE, VT55. SEA: Dustin Keller - TE, Purdue56. GB : Erin Henderson - LB, Maryland57. MIA: Trevor Laws - DT, ND58. JAC: Josh Barrett - SS, ASU59. IND: Xavier Adibi - LB, VT60. GB : Martellus Bennett - TE, TAMU61. DAL: Eddie Royal - WR, VT62. NE : Tom Zbikowski - SS, ND63. NYG: Terrell Thomas - CB, USCROUND 3:64. MIA: Chad Henne - QB, Michigan65. STL: Jordy Nelson - WR, KSU66. KC : Patrick Lee - CB, Auburn67. CAR: Matt Forte - RB, Tulane68. ATL: Jermichael Finley - TE, Texas69. NE : Chris Johnson - RB, ECU70. SF : Tony Hills - OT, Texas71. BUF: Mike Pollack - C, ASU72. JAC: Red Bryant - DT, TAMU73. MIN: Brad Cottam - TE, Tennessee74. CAR: Martin Rucker - TE, Missouri75. CHI: Andre Woodson - QB, Kentucky76. DET: Marcus Harrison - DT, Arkansas77. CIN: Ahtyba Rubin - DT, ISU78. NO : Tavares Gooden - LB, Miami79. HOU: Ray Rice - RB, Rutgers80. PHI: Marcus Howard - LB, Georgia81. ARI: Tashard Choice - RB, GT82. MIN: Andre Caldwell - WR, Florida83. TB : Earl Bennett - WR, Vandy84. WAS: Chilo Rachal - G, USC85. TEN: Nick Hayden - DT, Wisconsin86. SEA: Heath Benedict - OT/G, Newberry87. DET: John Carlson - TE, ND88. PIT: Jonathan Goff - LB, Vandy89. JAC: Terrence Wheatley - CB, Colorado90. CHI: Mario Manningham - WR, Michigan91. GB : John Greco - OT, Toledo92. DAL: Jason Jones - DE/OLB, EMU93. IND: Roy Schuening - G, OSU94. NE : Phillip Wheeler - LB, GT95. NYG: Thomas DeCoud - FS, California
3/17/2008 1:17:44 PM
i mean, i know manningham has been dropping... but 90?not that I even like or really care for the guy, but hes got skills enough to go before that i still think.also, reportedly the eagles are interested in earl bennett[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 1:17 PM. Reason : also]
3/19/2008 1:13:45 PM
if i posted the espn insider mock draft from Kiper would that be kosher?
3/19/2008 1:17:47 PM
of course
3/19/2008 1:23:42 PM
t-minus 33 days.
3/24/2008 6:38:55 AM
49ers lose their 5th round pick and must swap positions in the 3rd with Da BearsFAIL http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d807625f4&template=with-video&confirm=true[Edited on March 24, 2008 at 10:18 PM. Reason : done]
3/24/2008 10:16:27 PM
link that story please
3/24/2008 10:16:49 PM
considering the 49ers need all the help they can get, thats not good for them. lol.
3/25/2008 6:26:39 AM
That might help CHI a bit, I now have them and MIN both taking QBs in the 3rd round and the swap would effect their pick.
3/25/2008 11:57:48 AM
is this considered a weak or strong quarterback year?i kept hearing weak year, but then alot of people taking quarterbacks in later rounds...so a deep but weak class?
3/25/2008 12:10:25 PM
It's not a strong year. Ryan and Brohm are the 1st tier ones, I personally think Brohm will stay on the board until early in the 2nd round but it depends on what ATL does with the 3rd pick. Neither of those guys is a clear cut top 5 pick franchise QB imo.Henne, Flacco, and Woodson are the 2nd tier ones, and they'll prolly come off the board somewhere between late in the 2nd round and the middle of the third round. Those guys all have significant question marks to justify them lasting that long.After that, Josh Johnson is an interesting prospect but the other guys taken will probably be backups for most of their careers.
3/25/2008 12:30:56 PM
anyone mind posting the kiper mock?
3/25/2008 1:01:48 PM
Go for it, but only if you won't mind my ranting and raving about why we shouldnt draft Derrick Harvey
3/25/2008 1:42:23 PM
This year hurt Brohm. I think he's definitely a steal if he falls past 15. I always thought he seemed like a Carson Palmer type passer. Pure passing, smart QB. I think he's going to be a good, if not great player in the league[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 3:20 PM. Reason : .]
3/25/2008 3:19:39 PM
lack of experience in nfl style offense hurt him.and how was his bowl game?
3/25/2008 6:46:05 PM
it's all speculation at this point, but I'd bet that he turns out better than Ryan
3/25/2008 7:18:23 PM
wouldnt be a surprise... i feel like ryan is overrated. not bad, but overhyped since there are few other options.
3/25/2008 7:46:20 PM
ESPN has a fairly in depth set of interviews with Scouts Inc folks about each position in this draft. http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3316066&categoryId=3305091
4/6/2008 3:50:36 PM
interesting mock with jets getting D-Mac and Pats taking albert at 7...http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8079e2e4&template=with-video&confirm=true[Edited on April 8, 2008 at 8:22 AM. Reason : also, i guess im the only one who responds to this thread, lol.]
4/8/2008 8:21:30 AM
4/8/2008 8:26:27 AM
THE CAROLINA PANTHERS ARE ON THE CLOCK
4/8/2008 8:35:55 AM
^^^^holy cow, the guy doing the interviewing on the left uses his hands way too much when he talks
4/8/2008 8:59:22 AM
4/13/2008 11:56:13 PM
Dunlap would is from Hollywood, FL, so this could be a good fit for him.
4/14/2008 8:21:18 AM
he definately has value as a return specialist, where do you guys think he fits in as a reciever though?
4/14/2008 10:13:10 AM
^ I don't think he has the speed or moves to be a return threat.Given his size and leaping ability, I see him as an adequate possession receiver, but probably not much more than that.
4/14/2008 10:36:21 AM
I think Dunlap has potential, he has aggravated me the past couple of seasons with drops, but his skills never were really put on display because of our terrible O. So I'm not really sure what to expect of him at the next level if he makes it.
4/14/2008 10:49:12 AM
nfl.com had an article about this year's safety class...http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807dc13c&template=with-video&confirm=trueIf anyone wants to email the author atAskVic@nfl.comto let him know Dajuan Morgan went to NCSU and not North Carolina, I would appreciate it (at work and do not have access to my email).
4/21/2008 9:11:25 AM
4/21/2008 12:03:40 PM
4/21/2008 12:19:35 PM
my email
4/21/2008 4:59:26 PM