hell, we've been doing that. We just cant do it to accomodate the "latino" community or any community at a 12 mill every so years rate.
4/19/2006 2:29:18 AM
Haha, that's now what we've been doing at all.Your argument seems to be shifting to one that we discussed earlier in the thread (or in another thread). IIRC, Lonesnark pretty much said that if certain gov. regulations were removed, it would be easy to accommodate for a high rate of immigration.
4/19/2006 2:42:13 AM
No my argument is not shifting. And how the hell would they know that if certain gov regulations were removed its outcome would be x. Thats merely opinion. I will not(no longer in this thread)engage in inductive arguments. Fact is, we need border patrol(closed borders). Fact is, we need a line drawn in our present immigration. Fact is, we don't need to be over crowded.[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 3:04 AM. Reason : .]
4/19/2006 2:59:56 AM
4/19/2006 3:09:20 AM
How is my name being thrown around? I checked page 3 and padowack is accosting me about immigration wanting benefits, something I addressed for several pages back. Where did TKE-Teg go with his rediculous "money theft" argument go? This immigration thing was covered back on page 2. That said, I can recap a bit. The theory goes, we can halt immigration from every country on Earth if we chose to but Mexico. In fact, after 20 years of repeatedly doubling the border patrol, illegal immigration is as bad as ever. Doing so again isn't going to fix the problem, so we need another solution when it comes to Mexico. By dramatically increasing the legal allotment from Mexico we can reduce the push at the border for illegal immigration, hopefully to a point of controllability. So, the theory is not that immigration is by default beneficial (the studies go both ways), but by dramatically increasing legal routes to immigration, the total number of immigrants (legal + illegal) can actually be reduced. People don't just take off for the border on a whim, they do so because they don't see another way to get in. By reducing the length of that waiting list and reducing waiting time, people will be more likely to wait on the list (illegally immigrating will jeopardise your position on the list for citizenship), staying in Mexico instead of immigrating right now. Conversely, even if this theory is bunk, at the very least we have switched the path of immigration from illegal to legal, with all the relevant benefits given on prior pages (black market elimination, increased border security, crime prevention, etc). And I will absolutely guarantee that the borders will be easier to patrol against real criminals and terrorists sneaking in when the background noise of millions of peaceful and non-threatening people are removed from the picture and routed through legal border crossings.– Warren Meyer
4/19/2006 9:25:53 AM
moronWhat is your problem kid? You are young dumb and full of cum! My argument has been coherent since I started posting up here.
4/19/2006 11:40:04 AM
10 years in this country and i still dont have green card, let alone citizenship. going through legal route is hard financially and mentally. guess what is my opinion on giving illegal immigrants citizenship?
4/19/2006 1:09:57 PM
^If you have to suffer through it, they do too?Also, is it citizenship they are wanting to give them, or residency?
4/19/2006 1:42:31 PM
padowack, check out my post. I think some of it is relevant to you.
4/19/2006 2:01:45 PM
I've never understood why legal immigrants despise illegal ones so much."Well I had to do it, so now you have to do it" is the sort of completely flawed "justification" that parents give kids for why they have to do lame, pointless shit. It's right up there with "Because I said so" on the list of things that have no business appearing in a reasonable debate.What you should be wanting to do is to get rid of all these immigration laws, not punish people who got screwed over by them in a different way than you did.Right now, let's offer everyone -- illegal immigrant, legal resident alien, green card carrier -- the chance to be a citizen, assuming they've been in the country long enough.That's another thing that people are forgetting. Just because we legalize immigration doesn't mean that everyone would get to be a citizen overnight. They still have to wait a few years, during which time, if they screw up, we can put them on a bus home and flag them to keep them from re-entering.[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 3:00 PM. Reason : ]
4/19/2006 2:58:54 PM
I just got to this thread, and I skipped over the first few pages. Maybe this was discussed, but I didn't see this particular paper linked:http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/Mexicos_Glass_House.pdf
4/19/2006 3:59:52 PM
all the more reason to welcome the mexicans.their country sucks.hooray for political asylum
4/19/2006 4:34:12 PM
Holly! I had no idea how crappy Mexico's government was! It couldn't be more un-American if it tried! Gosh damn. Imagine how few Railroads would have been built in this country is Foreigners were forbidden from owning land or companies (if a railroad company defaults the bond holders, nearly always of British citizenry, assume ownership of the company; without this ability, such foreign direct investment would almost never have taken place). So much for the English system of law where Foreigners were entitled to equal consideration. Of course, the United States is no longer a practicioner as foreigners are forbidden from owners many types of property from oil wells to radio stations, to the detriment of all considered I assure you.
4/19/2006 5:00:14 PM
4/19/2006 10:48:16 PM
^ On what grounds? It is the workers responsibility to pay income taxes.
4/19/2006 11:34:17 PM
4/19/2006 11:36:23 PM
[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 11:36 PM. Reason : this fucking mouse]
So are illegal immigrants an undue burden on the economy or not. Even if they are using services and not paying taxes, aren't they working for cheap cheap cheap? Does that "outweigh" everything else?They're the closest we can get to slave labor, right?
4/22/2006 11:54:16 AM
4/22/2006 12:12:34 PM
and they generally AREN'T working for $3/hour or anything, PLUS it's generally under the table, so they aren't having taxes, social security, and medicare taken out.
4/22/2006 12:27:05 PM
If you legalize the workers, employers will no longer be able to pay them under the table. Simple math guys.
4/22/2006 12:33:03 PM
which is part of what I've been arguing
4/22/2006 12:33:58 PM
Or we could just scap the income tax for a value added tax, that would tax the bastards as well as every other under-the-table form of labor from crime to tax-evaders.
4/22/2006 2:19:42 PM
or simply legalize immigration
4/22/2006 3:01:53 PM
or both.
4/22/2006 6:56:05 PM