9/19/2008 1:04:03 PM
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/09/19/microsofts_im_a_pc_campaign_created_with_macs.html
9/19/2008 7:04:11 PM
^^If you believe that, you are more gullible than I thought. It makes perfect sense. The hype gets interest and media attention, then you convert the hype into a message that gets noticed.And how can you not get the point? It's so BRUTALLY simple. Mac Ads portray the PC as mundane, unexciting, and somehow lacking. The new Microsoft Ad shows actual people (rather than stereotyped actors) who refute the Apple claim in a humorous and uplifting manner.Maybe you should go into advertising ^Don't see how that really matters. Most of the graphics work is probably farmed out to vendors, and it's no suprise at all they used Adobe Software. MS has never competed in the publishing industry, that guy is a retard in asking why they didnt use Expressions. But it is funny they let things like this slip through the cracks, you should see the internal emails
9/20/2008 11:25:15 AM
9/20/2008 11:33:42 AM
a) the first two ads made me feel sorry for Microsoft that they were so out of touch with people in this current generationb) the initial ads did get attention "hype" but not all attention is good, and most of what came out of the first two ads was negative attention.c) the third run of ads are close, but aren't going to do anything for people who buy computers because they are 'hip' or simple. which is exactly what the apple ads go for. the PC will never be 'hip' because everyone has one. these ads only reinforce that, and seem to flip it and try to make you think that because everyone has one, it's 'cool'.d) i applaud microsoft's effort, i think given all the circumstances the ads will do very well and help microsofts image, which i think is the end goal. but... they'll never touch the apple image.
9/20/2008 2:44:14 PM
9/20/2008 4:10:58 PM
9/20/2008 4:36:03 PM
9/20/2008 6:11:58 PM
9/20/2008 6:19:30 PM
you do realize that 5% growth of a 90% market share is enormously larger than a 2-3% growth right? PC's are not anywhere close to saturation.Less than 1 in 6 people in the world own a computer. In the next 5 years, the market in China alone will nearly double the entire PC market. The US is a drop in the bucket in terms of growth. Microsoft fully localizes to hundreds of languages outside of English. Apple handles a dozen or so.
9/20/2008 7:05:52 PM
9/20/2008 7:33:19 PM
^I believe people, not so much the blogosphere. So much of those posts and opinions is based on either misinformation, or completely incorrect assumptions, or total lies.This is the same kind of phenomenon that happened to Vista. Everyone WROTE how horrible it was, yet very few had ever even used it. It created the flash mob effect. The same thing can be seen on the iPhone App Store. All of those stories are based on BLOGS and other MEDIA outlets reporting on how they themselves are reporting on how the ads suck. It's retarded. And many of those blogs and articles, much like many of the poster on TWW, didn't like the ad because they doomed it before it aired and found their own faults in it.Let's be really honest, it doesn't matter what Microsoft puts out, 2/3 of the people out there will do their absolute best to SLAM it.I'll trust the independent survey data that says the opposite, to the rants and ramblings of some disgruntled keyboard jockeys.I also love how, amidst all this, there has been VERY little press about the new Zune. The Zune client software is worlds better, easier and more flexible than iTunes, and the 3.0 firmware on the Zune itself leapfrogs it past the iPod classic and right in line with the touch.[Edited on September 20, 2008 at 9:14 PM. Reason : .]
9/20/2008 9:13:42 PM
9/20/2008 9:33:58 PM
^^i thought you were an independent thinker.... i mean come on, there's life outside Redmond.i have a Zune, LOVE 3.0i use Vista, LOVE it (ok, just the 64-bit)i am in no way disgruntled against microsoft, in fact i am a firm supporter of microsoft, but me supporting their software does not mean i have to agree with their advertising.but still i can be honest with myself and see both sides of the story and see that on one side there's plenty of articles out there that are at BEST puzzled by the seinfield ads, and at MOST people just didn't get it or didn't like it.blogs = opinionnews media = factual (unless it's an editorial)and guess what?, the news reports that the blog (read:opinions) out there didn't get it.don't use the Zune to change topics. (though i love 3.0)[Edited on September 21, 2008 at 1:35 AM. Reason : .]
9/21/2008 1:33:26 AM
^none of the articles you posted are fact, they are all editorial remarks. and that's my point. There's no way they are basing those articles on independent data, because it's not yet publicly available.My point is, bloggers are fucking elitist idiots. The whole movement of blogs are news sickens me, far beyond this example.I personally still don't like Vista, the Zune or Windows Mobile, but I liked the new commercails I'm a very independent thinker, hence why I don't base my opinions on the rants of completely in-the-dark bloggers. I don't follow the sheep at work either, and get a lot of flack for it already
9/21/2008 1:36:44 PM
dude, please read my post. i was pointing to the fact that news articles were reporting on people's opinions.whether people like an advertisement or not... is subjective, because it's based on people's opinions. THIS IS COMMON SENSE, hence why you will NEVER read opinion in a news article unless it's an editorial. what they DO do, is report on what public's opinion is. and that was the fact that the general public did not get the first round of ads. GET OVER IT.a) you liked the first round of ads, public opinion disagrees with youb) you like Zune 3.0 firmware & client software, public opinion agrees with youpeople disagree on things... it's okbut to always think that your opinion is the only one that matters, well that's arrogance.
9/21/2008 4:05:31 PM
^dude, they NONE OF THOSE ARTICLES ARE BASED ON GENERAL PUBLIC OPINION.They are ALL based on public BLOGGERS who are voicing editorial opinion, and then masquerading that as general opinion (which is, in fact, completely in the face of actual, surveyed, public opinion).
9/21/2008 7:44:57 PM
i'm done here. obviously you are just as out of touch as the seinfeld ads and have an excuse for everything. i respectively disagree with you on this.
9/21/2008 7:56:37 PM
Noen is right.
9/21/2008 8:29:06 PM
noen's always right
9/21/2008 9:42:19 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5052680/steve-ballmer-goes-nuts-again-to-sell-windows
9/22/2008 1:20:36 AM
http://imapc.lifewithoutwalls.com/?icid=realpc&u=NCTarheelsthats pretty awfuli realize it doesnt actually take you to the video. you gotta click that front window closed and you should see a big UNC right behind it.
9/22/2008 2:42:53 AM
9/22/2008 11:34:54 AM
haha pretty much
9/22/2008 11:48:12 AM
^^Haha, gg.
9/22/2008 12:31:05 PM
"Ballmer says "Windows Cloud" OS will debut this month"http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/01/ballmer-says-windows-cloud-os-will-debut-this-month/in related news, free-tard Richard Stallman says Cloud computing is the devil because it "forces" people to give up their right to own all their data locallyhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallmanbut Ars Technica thinks he is off base, and there is more good than harm in cloud computing http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080930-why-stallman-is-wrong-when-he-calls-cloud-computing-stupid.htmlalso, in case anyone cares, the Microsoft Live Search Cashback program is still goinghttp://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10053855-75.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0Noen seems to have made some money with it, but apparently not many othershttp://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081001-usage-browser-limits-harsh-buzz-from-microsoft-searchperks.html
10/1/2008 5:30:40 PM
I love you agentlion ^The last article doesn't say anything about the current CashBack deal, other than it didn't increase marketshare for live search, not that people don't use it.And all his complaints against "SearchPerks" are retarded. It's a small, pilot initiative. If they are only taking a million users, why WOULD they use any other economy than the US? We consume more than anyone else on earth. Why would they spend the time to develop a plugin for non IE browsers, again, when they only need to find a million participants.His arguments would be completely valid if they were about a permanent, full public released utility. At least it's an open entry system.----------------Very good article by Richard Stallman actually. He is right that it will cost users more over time. He is also right that it has a MUCH larger potential to be locked into proprietary eco-systems. But I don't think the privacy issue is really valid.
10/1/2008 7:09:30 PM
500pts plus 25pts/day MAX, it takes 200 days to get the Xbox wireless controller.Guess what's in 200 days. You guessed it, April 19th, 2009, exactly 4 days AFTER the program expires.Brilliant.So unless you signed up before 5 days ago, you can't even GET the Xbox wireless controller.[Edited on October 1, 2008 at 7:52 PM. Reason : .]
10/1/2008 7:50:42 PM
10/1/2008 8:01:55 PM
oh for crying out loud, if they max out at 25/day, i highly doubt any "additional" opportunities will even come close to help... i mean that's if you use the toolbar TWO HUNDRED FREAKIN DAYS IN A ROW... don't take me for an idiot b/c it says that in the details... it's only a $20 controller and they expect you to use this toolbar 200 days for it? that's hardly an incentive.[Edited on October 1, 2008 at 8:10 PM. Reason : ,]
10/1/2008 8:09:34 PM
Propsero has won this round, sorry noen.
10/1/2008 8:11:16 PM
^^Actually its a 40-60 dollar controller. And seriously, ITS A FREE FUCKING GIVEAWAY. Jesus Christ, they are offering you FREE STUFF, for using a damn search engine. I doubt any of use DONT use a search engine almost every day. If you don't want FREE STUFF, don't use it, but seriously, this shit kills me.If ANYONE else had this SAME promotion, do you think it would elicit anywhere near the same resentment, distrust, or pessimism? Hell no it wouldn't. I'll bet you $100 dollars today that there will be more than 5500 points available to get the stupid damn xbox controller (notice you didn't say shit about EVERY OTHER PRICE THAT IS AVAILABLE). Put up or shut up with the bitching and moaning.And just to be clear, I #$(% hate Live Search, and wouldn't use it for 200 days if it gave me a BJ every morning, but I'm not sitting here belittling what really is a pretty good ploy to get people to try it.[Edited on October 1, 2008 at 8:54 PM. Reason : .]
10/1/2008 8:52:38 PM
10/1/2008 8:54:20 PM
MS has come a long ways from these days...
10/1/2008 11:40:36 PM
Noen, I'm not directing anything at you personally at all, nor is it directed at Microsoft.I'm not belittling it because it's Microsoft, I'm belittling it because the "FREE" stuff isn't worth the time and energy or intrusion of a search toolbar I have to use 200 freakin consecutive days, it's not worth even $40.Here's an example: Microsoft Feedback offered free software valued at over $100-$200 (last December) for installing a feedback application for 3-months. No intrusion, no annoyances, no interactivity required. Now THAT'S WORTH IT.I just recently got ANOTHER email from Microsoft for doing the SAME EXACT THING (3-months of having MS Feedback app in the background) and what are they giving this time? A $10 amazon.com giftcard.Seriously WTF. Both are Microsoft examples, one's good, one's bad. Nothing to do with the company, it has to do with time/effort involved, granted it's not much since I use the built-in search in firefox, it probably wouldn't even be noticeable, but the rewards take so much time to build up, I'll have likely forgot the point system even existed and/or forget to redeem them before the promotion ended.And it's not FREE if you are required to do something in return for it. In this case they just not giving enough incentive.I do however like the 3% cashback from Newegg.com using cashback rewards. I spend lots of money there, and see all I have to do is click on a single link and money back.[Edited on October 2, 2008 at 1:21 AM. Reason : .]
10/2/2008 1:09:09 AM
10/2/2008 11:48:25 PM
he's probably sour for losing 40% of his stock value over the last month
10/3/2008 1:38:40 AM
10/3/2008 4:08:07 AM
I have grown tired of the lame apple ad campaign that's completely stale. when ms got just about every relevant star to shit on the apple ads, I busted out laughing. it was like steve balmer personally walked up to the apple directors and shit on them. I liked that ms was actually putting out ads and not taking fore granted that the market was completely theirs and they didn't have to try anymore (though largely true). the fact that they flexed their muscles on the commercial just a little and it probably tripled the combined apple budget of all those stupid mac vs pc ads over the years just made me smile inside, like damn, our pockets roll deep.
10/3/2008 9:25:28 AM
10/3/2008 9:50:20 AM
I'm going to hijack this thread for a second.Where can I buy a legitimate copy of office 2003? I've googled it, but all I've found is a bunch of random websites, which I don't feel like giving me credit card information to.
10/3/2008 10:24:17 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Office-Professional-2003-VERSION/dp/B0000AZJVCThe "I'm a PC" ads are much much better.
10/3/2008 12:13:16 PM
^Agreed, and getting normal people to upload videos to be a part of those ads is even better. It says, "See, we are the everyman, we aren't pretentious."
10/3/2008 12:29:18 PM
yea, i noticed that, getting people involved, letting them tell their story is actually a good marketing scheme.
10/3/2008 1:37:13 PM
10/3/2008 3:59:25 PM
1) are you referring to youtube comments? Who the fuck cares about youtube commenters? Those people are 10 times dumber than the people who hang out in Chit Chat2) I was referring to your claim that MS got "just about every relevant star", presumably to say "I'm a PC" in that commercial..... I recognized like 5 people in that commercial, one of them being Bill Gates, one of them a b-ball player, and one best known for being on Desperate Housewives. I'm just not clear how you can claim that commercial to contain any relevant starts, just less "just about every" one of them
10/3/2008 4:06:55 PM
do you understand that "those youtube people" represent 90+% of the consumer market share? also, in just that commercial, there's tony parker, bill gates, eva langoria, pharrell and N.E.R.D., bill gates, and some others that were cut from the original full length commercial. they might not mean much to you, but you're an excruciatingly small minority when it comes to 1) people who microsoft cares about (the majority of their market), 2) who you think is a relevant celebrity.
10/3/2008 4:16:01 PM
Microsoft,I like the new campaign here's my suggestion for the line up of the next I'm a PC add1.Laurence Fishburn2.Al Pacino3.A Naked Chick4.MC Hammer5.Robert Downy Jr. As iron man6.Steve Jobs tied up and gagged with a cardboard quote bubble above his head7.Clint Eastwood8.This woman (Keeley Hazell)9.RoboCop10.Kari Byron (from mythbusters)11.The entire cast of nickelodeons "round house"12.Tommy Lee Jones13.Tina Fey (in a sexy outfit duh)14.Les Stroud (survivorman)15.Steven Hawking
10/3/2008 4:40:15 PM
^Thanks for making this thread instantly NSFW. Please take that back to Shit Chat.
10/3/2008 5:01:48 PM
Seriously, can we get a moderator edit here on that?Not that I dont love it, because if she was in a commercial, I wouldnt care what they were selling, but definitely NWS for tech talk
10/3/2008 5:31:51 PM