Stat heads just don't get it.

10/12/2004 9:50:35 PM

you know if someone makes a seperate thread about the no-no that mussina has going, the tww jinx will take effect

10/12/2004 9:51:00 PM

There's more to baseball than just stats.

10/12/2004 9:51:18 PM

See now you just fucked yourself:

Quote :

" guess several of you didnt look at the link for stats this year, IF you did you would see that Tejada is Hall of Fame status, Jeter is no where near his level"

Career Stats:

Jeter .315 BA
Tejada .276 BA

Jeter .385 OBP
Tejada .336 OBP

Jeter .463 SLG
Tejada .475 SLG

10/12/2004 9:51:19 PM

At least this gay ass argument is taking focus off the game

10/12/2004 9:51:48 PM

i agree, the stats are not outstanding and definately not worthy of the worship he gets. 315 avg is good and so is a 385 obp but a 463 obp is not really something to brag about. The hype is way to much.

10/12/2004 9:51:51 PM

guess several of you didnt look at the link for stats this year, IF you did you would see that Tejada is Hall of Fame status, Jeter is no where near his level

what a pecker head Rally Durham, I guess you kinda skipped over the whole "this year" part of that comment, that makes a big difference, and if you want to talk about career, we can do that, its kinda funny that tejada has played less years in MLB, plays in an inferior lineup, and somehow you forgot to put in all the power stats like HR's, RBI's, etc., give tejada 10 more years and we will talk. Also how many MVP's has Jeter won compared to Tejada?

10/12/2004 9:55:13 PM

jeter has been pretty consistent around his career stats thorughout his career but tejada has not been good in his early career and therefore his career stats are not comparable to jeters. In the past couple of years Jeter has not had the stats of tejada

10/12/2004 9:55:13 PM

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/BA_career.shtml

if jeter is going to go to the HOF, then several more guys of this era are going to have to go before him....so far, jeter is ranking #61 in career BA....

but, if he keeps it up, i'll agree he should go to the HOF, but not right now...there is no telling what he will do in the next few years.

10/12/2004 9:55:57 PM

besides, jeter wasnt even comparable to his present third baseman, arod

10/12/2004 9:58:15 PM

^^^^ Oh im sorry I thought the MVP voters voted based on individual seasons and the Hall of Famers stuck to things like career stats...

Jeter has a World Series MVP and five straight All-star games....

You want to compare RBIs between a leadoff hitter and a clean-up hitter? That's cool

Tejada 754 RBI
Jeter 693 RBI

You're okay if I bring up runs scored then too I assume

Tejada 681
Jeter 1037

Wow that's awfully close.

[Edited on October 12, 2004 at 9:59 PM. Reason : a]

10/12/2004 9:58:36 PM

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"You want to compare RBIs between a leadoff hitter and a clean-up hitter? That's cool"

>.<

10/12/2004 9:59:37 PM

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"(never had a season below .292) "

gotcha on this stat...i'm seeing at least two seasons below .292

10/12/2004 10:03:38 PM

full season..jeez..he had 48 ABs in his first year

and the only other one under that was .291

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nyy/stats/nyy_individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=116539

[Edited on October 12, 2004 at 10:06 PM. Reason : links]

10/12/2004 10:05:08 PM

you cant compare career stats between jeter and tejada. Tejada has not been a good player at all for but a few years. Proving that Jeter has better career stats than a guy who has sucked for a good portion of his career proves nothing.

10/12/2004 10:07:51 PM

Ok, here is jeter compared to rest of MLB, THIS YEAR[b][i][u] ,
13th in runs, 15th in hits, 11th in DB's, 209th in 3b's, 70th in HR's,80th in RBI's, 30th TB's, 130 in BB's, 18th SB's, 166 OBP, 150 in SLG., 53rd in AVG..

Now some of those are pretty good, ie. Runs, hits, and doubles.

But even those dont look that good when you look at his order in the lineup and the people surrounding him in the lineup this year. Someone who hits 1/2 in the order needs to be much higher in OBP, BB's, steals.

Once again the stats dont lie

10/12/2004 10:09:08 PM

^^Guess who brought up Tejada

[Edited on October 12, 2004 at 10:09 PM. Reason : ^^]

10/12/2004 10:09:43 PM

ITS ONE FUCKING YEAR...god damn

10/12/2004 10:10:14 PM

i never brought up tejada....all i have been doing is talking about jeter and his career stats, which is what some were claiming his fame to the HOF

10/12/2004 10:12:20 PM

You are talking about ONE season.

And this was a down season for him

The HOF is based on career stats.

Tell me where I EVER said Tejada wasn't an awesome shortstop. With A-rod at third now Tejada is clearly the best hitting shortstop in the league. No one is going to argue with you about that.

Tejada isn't playing tonight so its no wonder the announcers aren't talking about him.

10/12/2004 10:12:49 PM

exactly which is what i have been partially talking about, you seem to keep forgetting the THIS YEAR phrase in my posts, read

10/12/2004 10:12:52 PM

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"I hope they put in Wakefield. Just cause I love to watch him pitch."

here ya go Pi

10/12/2004 10:12:53 PM

JACK

10/12/2004 10:13:38 PM

man fuck

10/12/2004 10:13:48 PM

w00t for yankees!!!

10/12/2004 10:14:31 PM

hahaha I love that comic

10/12/2004 10:14:54 PM

it'll be the yankees and the damn braves again this year


I think the sox deserve a world series chance, but fuck that, yankees all the way

10/12/2004 10:17:00 PM

Oh ok, so you wanna do a tejada/jeter career comparison
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Tejada-- 1098 4237 681 1171 231 13 190 754 335 615 53 21 .276 .336 .472 .808

Jeter 1366 5513 1037 1734 283 42 150 693 559 972 201 52 .315 .385 .463 .848

With Jeter having 270 more Games played, 1300 more AB's, i would say he is doing really well

40 less homers, 60 less rbi's, you also gotta look at the lineup tejada has been in as well as their positions in the batting order, jeter isnt doing so hott for a typical 1/2 hitter. and i dont even like tejada but i guess if you gotta use him to downplay the jeter hype then i am all for it

10/12/2004 10:17:26 PM

^^ its one game...the Yankees always lose Game 1 and come back...perhaps this year is different

I GUARANTEE a Pedro win tomorrow...there i said it

[Edited on October 12, 2004 at 10:18 PM. Reason : hkj]

10/12/2004 10:17:43 PM

1. Todd Helton (29) .3373 L
2. Nomar Garciaparra (29) .3229 R
Vladimir Guerrero (27) .3229 R
4. Mike Piazza (34) .3192 R
5. Derek Jeter (29) .3174 R
6. Manny Ramirez (31) .3167 R
7. Edgar Martinez (40) .3150 R
8. Larry Walker (36) .3145 L
9. Frank Thomas (35) .3098 R
10. Chipper Jones (31) .3087 B

career BA of active MLB players....age in parenthesis....should this entire list go to the HOF....all seem impressive if jeter is impressive with his consistency

10/12/2004 10:17:54 PM

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"it'll be the yankees and the damn braves again this year"

.....nevermind, too easy

10/12/2004 10:18:47 PM

^ ha didnt even notice it

Todd Helton no...the rest you can ALL make a case for

[Edited on October 12, 2004 at 10:19 PM. Reason : oasf]

10/12/2004 10:18:49 PM

8 to NOTHING!!!!!!!!

[Edited on October 12, 2004 at 10:19 PM. Reason : -]

10/12/2004 10:19:39 PM

the Braves lost!!!!!oneoneoneone

10/12/2004 10:20:12 PM

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"here ya go Pi"

Me and my big mouth

10/12/2004 10:20:21 PM

how many MVP's does Jeter have? (thats and individual honor)

you cant compare postseason crap, can tejada help he is on a sucky team?

10/12/2004 10:20:23 PM

He was on a sucky team this year, but you can't say he didn't have his chances with the A's.

10/12/2004 10:20:59 PM

^^ yea the A's sucked balls when he was on them

btw ignorant baseball fans above...thank you for taking my energy from this hellish game

[Edited on October 12, 2004 at 10:21 PM. Reason : ojasf]

10/12/2004 10:21:00 PM

how bout them Mets this year baby!!!!!!!!!!

10/12/2004 10:21:12 PM

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"Me and my big mouth"

Correct. I'm holding you directly responsible for this

10/12/2004 10:21:30 PM

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"SmarterChild (10:21:18 PM): In a laugher, the Houston Astros must have gottten tired from thrashing the Atlanta Braves on Monday, October 11th, 2004. Oct 11 Final Houston Astros at 12 ATLANTA BRAVES 3"

10/12/2004 10:21:43 PM

anyone who has been here realizes that I am an equally passionate fan of both the Mets and the Sox...thanks for trying though

10/12/2004 10:22:05 PM

hey, i would still love an answer to this question,

How many MVP's does Jeter have?

10/12/2004 10:22:10 PM

He's got 7 goddammit.


I can't believe you didn't know that.

10/12/2004 10:22:48 PM

yeah i am a sox fan too but i am just curious how the mets did this year?

10/12/2004 10:22:50 PM

if you say everyone on that list deserves a shot at HOF than, i will agree that jeter deserves his shot too...

i just thought the HOF was for players that just blow the competition away, and i didn't get that from everyone on that list...

10/12/2004 10:23:03 PM

not last !!!!

10/12/2004 10:23:10 PM

Team ________ W _____ L _____ PCT. ____ GB
Yankees ______ 101 ____ 61 ____ .623 ______ -
Red Sox _______ 98 ____ 64 ____ .605 _____ 3.0
Orioles ________ 78 ____ 84 ____ .481 _____ 23.0
Devil Rays _____ 70 ____ 91 ____ .435 _____ 30.5
Blue Jays ______ 67 ____ 94 ____ .416 _____ 33.5

Braves ________ 96 ____ 66 ____ .593 ______ -
Phillies ________ 86 ____ 76 ____ .531 ______ 10.0
Marlins ________ 83 ____ 79 ____ .512 _____ 13.0
Mets _________ 71 _____ 91 ____ .438 _____ 25.0
Expos _________ 67 ____ 95 ____ .414 _____ 29.0



I do give the red sox props for being 20 wins above the orioles.

[Edited on October 12, 2004 at 10:30 PM. Reason : there]

10/12/2004 10:23:19 PM

Mussina looks like he's ready to bite the head off a cat

10/12/2004 10:24:21 PM

oh well, i think i have proved my point, if you still believe the overhype surrounded Jeter then just sit around and talk despite your ignorance, just glad you arent voting on who enters the Hall of Fame! GO SOX!

10/12/2004 10:24:24 PM