rough around the edges? if one of those is a real post i would have no clue which one is real

7/15/2016 3:22:28 PM

^

7/15/2016 3:36:47 PM

Startled no one felt the need to post this : http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/16/us/former-atlanta-officer-charged-with-murder/index.html

/s

7/17/2016 11:24:49 AM

so once again police get their asses kicked against an actual threat.

7/17/2016 11:35:31 AM

1. end war on drugs
2. fire all the cops
3. allow people to hire private security for neighborhoods or whatever
4. profit

[/anarchist solution]

[Edited on July 17, 2016 at 11:45 AM. Reason : t]

7/17/2016 11:41:07 AM

And now another police ambush in Baton Rouge. Should be interesting to see how the media handles this one.

7/17/2016 11:59:42 AM

^^^ Are you saying the cops need to be more militarized so they can deal with real threats better?

7/17/2016 9:04:21 PM

i'm saying they need better training because their training has failed them on all fronts. they kill teenagers because they feel like their life is in danger and then they always find themselves on the losing end when someone is actually trying to hurt them.

they need to unarm inexperienced police so that they can get some experience in de-escalation psychology. Right now, in armed disputes, police only know how to escalate the situation until someone is shot. Those situations should be left to well-educated and experienced tactical units. Once you show years of positive record in de-escalation without a gun, you get a gun.

I don't think these police shootings are happening because the officer is racist, but more because they have no idea how to respond to conflict.

Think about all the situations where terrorists or crazies were able to take a lot of police out. Dorner, boston bombers, etc. I don't think police ever disengage or simply back down from a dispute.

7/17/2016 9:18:27 PM

http://gawker.com/video-shows-unarmed-black-man-pleading-with-arms-raised-1784004594

This one takes the cake.

7/21/2016 6:37:17 AM

^ The US needs a "purge" of the police Erdogan-style, and the only way it can happen, is if many more cases like that one happen in a very short period of time, unfortunately.

If that cop is not fired, fined, and jailed for at least 4-5 years, justice would not have been done.

7/21/2016 6:58:12 AM

Someone said the word "gun". The cop thought his life was in danger. Cop will go on a paid vacation, there will be no indictment, and he will be back on the beat in a few months.

Has anyone dug up the dirt on the guy that was shot yet? I'm sure he has a parking ticket or two that will be used to justify his shooting. At least this guy lived to tell the story.

7/21/2016 7:19:45 AM

damn that's awful

7/21/2016 7:30:11 AM

The fuck?

7/21/2016 8:42:37 AM

7/21/2016 8:59:11 AM

at least he survived. but holy shit at the cop apparently responding "i don't know" when the victim shouted "why'd you shoot me"

7/21/2016 9:08:24 AM

Can't wait to hear JCE and his compatriots explain this one away.

7/21/2016 9:34:37 AM

hands up don't shoot is a false narrative of this interaction
he was armed
he was resisting
he was reaching for something
he should have just complied with police orders
he should have treated the cops with respect

Maybe he had a speeding ticket once?

Actually JCE will just say that this is a statistically insignificant interaction and not representative of the whole

[Edited on July 21, 2016 at 10:13 AM. Reason : $$$]

7/21/2016 9:47:20 AM

cops handcuffed him and didn't provide immediate medial attention..almost like they were expecting him to die. and if he had, who knows what the story/narrative would be

7/21/2016 10:21:37 AM

The other thing is the #BLM argument that they are more likely to get shot is proven in this case. The guy with autism was not complying at all with their orders but he was not black so they did not shoot him, they only shot the guy who WAS complying with their orders and laying flat on the ground hands up.

7/21/2016 10:38:01 AM

Sad sad sad, this shit has got to stop.

7/21/2016 10:47:20 AM

why'd you shoot me?
^*shrug*

7/21/2016 10:58:13 AM

Why'd you shoot me?
Guns are like muscles, man. Use it or lose it...

7/21/2016 11:01:59 AM

Glad he survived. That sucks. Dude was trying to help. Now this is a legit hands up don't shoot.

To make some light of it, I thought it was funny when he described the shot as a mosquito bite

7/21/2016 11:10:22 AM

Quote :

"cops handcuffed him and didn't provide immediate medial attention..almost like they were expecting him to die. and if he had, who knows what the story/narrative would be "

If they don't handcuff, it implies they weren't threatened, which makes the shooting harder to defend.

7/21/2016 11:21:31 AM

I feel like one shot might have been able to pass as an accident

The 3 shots fired from the officer, however, seem to point towards something else

7/21/2016 11:31:33 AM

Quote :

"Has anyone dug up the dirt on the guy that was shot yet? I'm sure he has a parking ticket or two that will be used to justify his shooting. At least this guy lived to tell the story. "

The point of bringing up the criminal records of police shooting victims isn't to justify police brutality, it's to silence race-baiters who think anything with a black victim is racism. Mentioning that the victims were felons resisting arrest isn't justification for a police fuck up, it's to shut up the people acting as if the victim was shot for "being black".

Quote :

"Can't wait to hear JCE and his compatriots explain this one away."

Explain away an obvious police fuck up? Lol... naturally that's a SJW's misguided view of what I've posted in the past. I know it's easier for you people to argue against a "pro-police brutality" strawman. In reality I simply argue against the SJWs, who are so desperate for evidence of racism, that they attempt to paint these cases as if they are proof of police racism, or representative of society/police as a whole. Statistics > Anecdote.

7/21/2016 2:01:41 PM

But who cares if it is statistically insignificant, since when does that matter to the liberal media when they fabricate narratives and race-bait, and since when does that matter to the liberal media when they fabricate narratives and race-bait, and since when does that matter to the liberal media when they fabricate narratives and race-bait, and since when does that matter to me, a gullible bleeding heart SJW, all I want to do is break another man's car and threaten them with an ice pick, but some 2nd amendment gun nut decided to terrorize this poor victim his his assault pistol... If onl

7/21/2016 2:17:38 PM

Where is the video of the shots being fired? Weird how it shows him lying on his back, with his hands up, and then switches a second floor perspective and they are putting handcuffs on him.

7/21/2016 2:23:05 PM

I think the news edited it out so they cant be accused of antagonizing some crazed fool to go rambo on some cops.

7/21/2016 2:41:31 PM

so NBC tweeted that the police union is saying the officer was shooting at the autistic guy. thinking that he was armed and trying to harm the black guy. even if that were the case, that is just really really bad police work. let alone the fact that that wasn't the case at all and the black guy was very clearly stating what was going on.

7/21/2016 5:22:05 PM

interesting-- I actually had the same thought-- that he was shooting at the autistic guy and missed. I know there's some research out there which suggests most police have inadequate firearms training, and often have terrible aim.

7/21/2016 5:33:37 PM

fuck police unions

7/21/2016 5:41:56 PM

^^yep. assuming that the police union is telling the truth, that's really not any better. it's still terrible police work.

7/21/2016 5:57:18 PM

"Some police suck we need to hold them accountable" is waaaay too inclusive of a position though. We need to handpick cases where the victim is _____ and then rage.

7/21/2016 6:03:54 PM

The police union is fucking lying considering the oppressor told him "I don't know" in response to "why did you shoot me?", and also considering the lack of care/concern/remorse shown by the oppressors immediately after the shooting while waiting for the ambulance.

Goddamn liars.

7/21/2016 6:08:55 PM

this. isn't. fucking. hard.

#1 are police disproportionately shooting black people to white people based on the ratio of incidents. Check yes or no.

If the answer is yes, and I think we all realize it likely is (no proof though) then something needs to be done.

That's when we move to #2, in which officers start to stop protecting the blue and speak out openly. the lack of officers renouncing their own is a little concerning. This is anecdotal, but still true ... a friend of mine was interested in being a Raleigh copy in 2005. The officer he shadowed kept dropping the N bomb. My friend asked what was with the blatant racism. The officer said to him, be a cop for more than a year and you'll get what I mean.

I'm not implying this applies to every officer everywhere but what I am saying is that this probably isn't isolated. There are a significant (not to be confused necessarily with majority) of officers out there with this mentality and that is driving a lot of disparate actions.

I was arrested once myself. It was for DWI, even though I blew a .04 or .03, case was dismissed because of that exact thing but that's neither here nor there. When I was in the holding area, following the breathalyzer room, there was this hispanic guy that didn't speak English. The officer kept asking him to perform certain tasks and then got relatively physical with the hispanic guy and said racially suggestive comments with the guy just because he didn't respond immediately. Basically the hispanic guy was instructed to put his hands in this machine, thumb first and then then the rest. The hispanic guy didn't understand what was asked and just asked for a better explanation, so I wouldn't consider this noncompliance.

Again, this is all anecdotal, but it's certainly a sign that racism exists beyond blue lines. If we accept that, regardless of how small, then we must accept there is a disparity in how people are being arrested, but more seriously, approached with violence by the police. When people's lives come into play, even a small number is relevant.

Again, the small degree of police unions or police officers who have spoken out against this is unconscionable and suggests that the larger mentality may be more in line with the anecdotal and the recent reports than some may suspect.

7/21/2016 6:23:35 PM

Quote :

"1 are police disproportionately shooting black people to white people based on the ratio of incidents. Check yes or no. "

No. If you account for violent crime, whites are actually more likely to be shot by a cop.

*SJW Heads explode*

Statistics > Anecdote
Facts > Narrative

This. Isn't. That. Fucking. Hard

7/21/2016 6:54:41 PM

Yeah this guy was definitely committing a violent crime

7/21/2016 6:56:30 PM

Were we discussing the statistics of race and police brutality, or do we just want to take turns trying to see who can be the most outraged over an unfortunate anecdotal clickbait headline?

7/21/2016 7:09:58 PM

Even if you take race out of the equation in this instance, these police officers did a terrible job. They should be fired at a minimum, and in an ideal world be brought up on felony charges.

I mean their excuse is that they were aiming for an autistic guy with a toy truck rather than the guy on the ground with his hands up. A toy truck, not a toy gun. If they have eyesight that poor that they cant tell a truck from a gun, they probably shouldnt even be able to have a drivers license, much less be officers of the law.

7/21/2016 7:11:09 PM

I sure am scared of law-abiding citizens carrying guns, but by golly I trust those cops cause they have training and are accurate shooters!

7/21/2016 7:30:18 PM

as a minority, I too fear cops on a daily basis

7/21/2016 7:42:54 PM

^^Agreed! They need to be punished. Like I said earlier in this thread though, this type of stuff is going to continue to happen until the crime rate in the black community goes down. I think cops are more willing to pull the trigger quickly due to the higher rate of violence in the black community.

7/21/2016 7:58:58 PM

7/21/2016 8:01:42 PM

Quote :

"#1 are police disproportionately shooting black people to white people based on the ratio of incidents. Check yes or no. "

reverse the question; are black people or white people more likely to shoot an officer during an incident?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2013/tables/table_44_leos_fk_race_and_sex_of_known_offender_2004-2013.xls

From 2004 to 2013, blacks accounted for 43% of homicides of LEOs. Adjusting for percentage of the population, that makes a black man about 6 times more likely to kill a cop than a man of any other race. The FBI data includes Hispanics in the white category, so the difference between black and white shootings of LEO is probably even higher.

7/21/2016 8:20:41 PM

It's funny how big Country tried to argue that there isn't racism in criminal justice by showing a graph that provides further evidence of racism in the criminal justice system. He doesn't understand that though.

7/21/2016 8:44:52 PM

^

7/21/2016 8:45:45 PM

Lol, you think that dude is able to understand the nuances of circular logic? That dude dumb as fuck

7/21/2016 9:59:07 PM

Quote :

"That's when we move to #2, in which officers start to stop protecting the blue and speak out openly. the lack of officers renouncing their own is a little concerning."

The silence is deafening.

At some points cops should push for more gun control, right? I've never understood why cops are so adamant about gun rights when its a big reason why they fear for their lives. If guns were restricted wouldn't they be more at ease? The police chief in Cleveland wanted to suspend open carry rights to make their jobs easier. Isn't it common sense?

[Edited on July 21, 2016 at 10:08 PM. Reason : a]

7/21/2016 10:07:12 PM

Totally not surprised to see that fat fuck eluesis try to justify shooting a guy laying on the ground with his hands up

7/21/2016 10:10:54 PM