What's bad about it? She's actually defending the "i'm qualified because i live next to Russia" talking point. You see nothing patently absurd about that?

9/25/2008 3:14:15 PM

Quote :

"Everything about McCain Obama's campaign is ONE BIG GIMMICK. How you don't see that is beyond me. "

welcome to politics dumbass

Quote :

"she isn't qualified at all for anything"

and Obama is?

Quote :

"From the ads, to the VP pick, to the strategy, to the grandstanding and posturing, it's all one big act. The fact that you could vote for that with any type of enthusiasm makes me feel sorry for you."

once again i could apply this exact statement to Obama's campaign...you're such a sheep

9/25/2008 3:34:18 PM

Quote :

"whats so bad about that? "

9/25/2008 3:48:13 PM

Calling me a sheep is rich coming from the weakest poster in TSB in regards to actually standing up and having a real opinon.

You're cynical about everything, there's no value in any thing you have to say, yet full cowardice in everything you have to say. Twista, all you fucking do is attempt to zero sum and neutrally patronize everything you see, particularly posts where democrats are involved so you can hope your GOP buddies on here beam at your sophisticate with love. All the while not having any established things you support at all.

Frankly, you're a joke....so an insult coming from you it only emboldens me.

9/25/2008 3:48:54 PM

what a big surprise, kainen completely ignored the fact that all his anti palin/mccain quotes from the end of the last page can be 100% applied to obama and be just as correct

why dont you go salivate over some huffington post blog articles and get your marching orders of the proper anti mccain and palin talking points for today since that is LITERALLY ALL YOU DO ON HERE

i actually do have a real opinion...its not based on some media smear and self important bullshit like yours...its based on what i see...meanwhile your opinion is based on the huffington post (did i mention how laughable that site is...even though you continue to copy and paste its editorials word for word with no quote box or citation)...you are the epitome of a political slave...palin could cure cancer and you'd find a way to spin it

9/25/2008 3:51:24 PM

"all his anti palin/mccain quotes from the end of the last page can be 100% applied to obama and be just as correct"

I could see how that might apply to both campaigns in terms of political ads, and maybe some other stuff too, but on "the VP pick" I think Obama definitely chose a governing partner rather than a campaigning partner.

9/25/2008 3:57:43 PM

Obama needs a governing partner...he doesn't have enough experience himself

9/25/2008 4:01:04 PM

"Obama needs a governing partner...he doesn't have enough experience himself"

So you agree he picked him as a governing partner rather than "one big act", and that you wrong to characterize all of Kainen's anti-McCain remarks as applicable to Obama?

9/25/2008 4:12:44 PM

Supplanter,

I think the point TT was trying to make was that if experience was so important in a VP (someone who has very few official powers), as the Obama team is claiming with Palin, it should be just as important with a Presidential Candidate (someone who would likely has many, broad official powers).

That is what he means by saying the critics can equally be applied to the Obama campaign.

9/25/2008 4:20:57 PM

Quote :

"why dont you go salivate over some huffington post blog"

Why don't you go jerk off Drudge, Fat Rush or Hannity? Funny thing is, I don't even read the huffington post! Honestly. I don't expect you to believe it but I don't. Sorry, but it's true...not on my RSS Feed either.

Admit it - you do not have a real opinion, it's all a bunch of reaction vague cynical bullshit trying to look like some wise internet sage yoda type. In reality all you do well is play xbox. At least your posts in entertainment have substance, jackass.

9/25/2008 4:28:11 PM

Quote :

"Why don't you go jerk off Drudge, Fat Rush or Hannity?"

you might have a point, except i dont read drudge, listen to rush or watch hannity...if i've ever in a post mentioned any of them or quoted any of them, please point it out...i assure you you will find ZERO

Quote :

"Funny thing is, I don't even read the huffington post! Honestly"

really? thats odd...considering i've googled a number of your posts that seemed kind of out there and they've showed up word for word...with a huffingtonpost url....but you dont even read it...hmmmmm...

9/25/2008 4:48:24 PM

lol. empty claim. Which posts? I don't read the Huffington Post so I don't know how you could possibly trace them there.

What I am though is throughly amused now that you're pathetic enough to take the actual time it takes to run reference checks on what I write like you were an 8th grade english teacher. That's a first!

9/25/2008 5:00:24 PM

Quote :

"What I am though is throughly amused now that you're pathetic enough to take the actual time it takes to run reference checks"

when you post a list of points that are all clearly biased, it doesnt take much "actual" time to copy and paste it into a google window and click search, and see your entire post, verbatim, from a huffington post opinion piece

last time...are you denying that you routinely copy and paste paragraphs and articles from huffington post and post them verbatim on TWW without any quote boxes, let alone without citing the source? i just want to give you one last chance to back out of this claim of yours before i actually do spend a couple minutes finding examples

i recall doing this in the last week, so it wont take me long...but i will give you one more chance to back out of your bogus claim

9/25/2008 5:17:34 PM

Quote :

" when you post a list of points that are all clearly biased, it doesnt take much "actual" time to copy and paste it into a google window and click search, and see your entire post, verbatim, from a huffington post opinion piece last time...are you denying that you routinely copy and paste paragraphs and articles from huffington post and post them verbatim on TWW without any quote boxes, let alone without citing the source? i just want to give you one last chance to back out of this claim of yours before i actually do spend a couple minutes finding examples i recall doing this in the last week, so it wont take me long...but i will give you one more chance to back out of your bogus claim"

Get back on topic you fuckbags or take it to the fucking smackdown thread. For fucks sake, you're a pathetic fucking loser and there really isn't anything you can say to defend yourself.

9/25/2008 5:21:06 PM

hey guys look who is still all over my dick...and you only said fuck 4 times in those 2 sentences, you clearly dont care about TWW

9/25/2008 5:25:45 PM

Quote :

"A $100,000 state grant for a botanic garden in Englewood that then-state Sen. Barack Obama awarded in 2001 to a group headed by a onetime campaign volunteer is now under investigation by the Illinois attorney general amid new questions, prompted by Chicago Sun-Times reports, about whether the money might have been misspent. The garden was never built. And now state records obtained by the Sun-Times show $65,000 of the grant money went to the wife of Kenny B. Smith, the Obama 2000 congressional campaign volunteer who heads the Chicago Better Housing Association, which was in charge of the project for the blighted South Side neighborhood."

Hope! Change! Audacity!



http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article

9/25/2008 7:15:38 PM

knock yourself out treetwister, have fun and happy hunting. i dont read the huffington post.

9/25/2008 7:17:37 PM

^^ That's interesting, but it won't stick. It's too distant of a relationship for people to care. People don't care about Palin's husband being a secessionist, they're not going to care about this.

9/25/2008 7:23:56 PM

good lord, after listening to Palin's interview with Katie Couric, I can't IMAGINE how painful it'll be listening to her debate against Biden. (IF it ever happens)...

^^and as for the john mccain eye thing from the previous page, that definitely caught my eye today when I was watching a speech he gave (and I wasn't looking for it). it's very noticeable. and the fact that he just hired an American Idol/Dancing with the Stars makeup artist is worth noting too.

don't know if it means anything, but it's interesting...

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 9:02 PM. Reason : ]

9/25/2008 9:01:22 PM

It might not be that bad. Since debates aren't debates, they are 1 & a half long segments of stump speeches that don't often respond directly to the question asked, she could probably come close to pulling it off if they can keep lowering expectations.

9/25/2008 9:04:47 PM

9/25/2008 9:05:06 PM

from a couple days ago:

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"Obama and McCain weigh in on science and technology: http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=42"

Nature asked another set of science questions. Obama answered, McCain did not, but they pulled together some answers for McCain based on his public record and quotes
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080903/full/455446a.html

here's a particularly refreshing answer (at least from one candidate) that's not directly relevant to being President, but does show a level of understanding and commitment to the scientific process and respect for scientific consensus

Quote :

"Do you believe that evolution by means of natural selection is a sufficient explanation for the variety and complexity of life on Earth? Should intelligent design, or some derivative thereof, be taught in science class in public schools? Obama: I believe in evolution, and I support the strong consensus of the scientific community that evolution is scientifically validated. I do not believe it is helpful to our students to cloud discussions of science with non-scientific theories like intelligent design that are not subject to experimental scrutiny. McCain said last year, in a Republican primary debate: "I believe in evolution. But I also believe, when I hike the Grand Canyon and see it at sunset, that the hand of God is there also." In 2005, he told the Arizona Daily Star that he thought "all points of view" should be available to students studying the origins of humanity. But the next year a Colorado paper reported him saying that such viewpoints should not be taught in science class."

and another outstanding answer to a question that does actually have policy implications

Quote :

"Would you lift President Bush's ban on federal funding for research on human embryonic stem-cell lines derived after 9 August 2001? Under what conditions do you find it acceptable to create a human embryonic stem-cell line? Obama: Stem-cell research holds the promise of improving our lives in at least three ways — by substituting normal cells for damaged cells to treat diabetes, Parkinson's disease, spinal-cord injury, heart failure and other disorders; by providing scientists with safe and convenient models of disease for drug development; and by helping to understand fundamental aspects of normal development and cell dysfunction. For these reasons, I strongly support expanding research on stem cells. I believe that the restrictions that President Bush has placed on the funding of human embryonic stem-cell research have handcuffed our scientists and hindered our ability to compete with other nations. As president, I will lift the current administration's ban on federal funding of research on embryonic stem-cell lines created after 9 August 2001 through executive order, and I will ensure that all research on stem cells is conducted ethically and with rigorous oversight. I recognize that some people object to government support of research that requires cells to be harvested from human embryos. However, hundreds of thousands of embryos stored in the United States in in vitro fertilization clinics will not be used for reproductive purposes, and will eventually be destroyed. I believe that it is ethical to use these extra embryos for research that could save lives when they are freely donated for that express purpose. ...."

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 9:13 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2008 9:10:01 PM

So wait...

McCain cancelled on Letterman, claiming he has to run to Washington

and then appeared in an interview with Couric?

Hahahah. What a joke.

9/25/2008 9:31:12 PM

I'm not sure I've ever seen McCain change his stance about something.

9/25/2008 9:31:57 PM

I don't blame McCain for trying this crap. Might as well with the way his campaign is tanking.

9/25/2008 10:14:28 PM

Quote :

"That's interesting, but it won't stick. It's too distant of a relationship for people to care."

But do you care, as an Obama supporter?

Not trying to argue, I'm genuinely curious about it. I am voting for McCain but more so because I hate Obama that much and less of being a diehard McCain guy (even though I do like him). But for the hardcore Obama supporters, do you overlook things like this and relationships with shady characters because you think they're not relevant or are you the concerned somewhat but you still think his positives outweigh negatives?

9/25/2008 10:33:46 PM

COURIC: Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries? Allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy? Instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: That's why I say, I like ever American I'm speaking with were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the tax payers looking to bailout.

But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy- Helping the - Oh, it's got to be about job creation too. Shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americas.

And trade we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. ALl those things under the umbrella of job creation.

This bailout is a part of that.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4476721n




[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 10:39 PM. Reason : /]

9/25/2008 10:36:01 PM

http://digg.com/politics/McCain_Bailout_Plan_More_Deregulation_Corporate_Tax_Breaks

America Wall Street first!

9/25/2008 10:56:59 PM

jesus fucking christ
this woman makes Miss South Carolina sound like.... Barack Obama

here's the first question from Part II (I transcribed it, didn't see it in the article)

Quote :

" Q: Some top republicans and democrats may not support this bill, if john mccain doesn't because it may be unpopular and they're not willing to take the political risk. If it doesn't pass, what is the alternative? A: The- The alterna- as I say, inaction is not an option. We have got to shore up our economy. This crisis moment for America, really, the rest of the world also, looking to see what the impacts will be if America were to choose not to shore up what has happened on Wall Street because of the... the ultimate adverse effects on Main Street, and then how that effects this globalization that we're a part of, in our world. So, the world really is looking at John McCain, the leadership he's gonna provide through this, and if those provisions in the proposal can be implemented and make this proposal better, make it make more sense, to tax payers, then, again, John McCain is going to prove his leadership. "

also, i would be interested to see how the hell she drew the conclusions below, in bold

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"Next, Couric asked about the $700 billion government bailout of bad debt - and whether she supports it. Palin: I'm all about the position that America is in and that we have to look at a $700 billion bailout. And as Sen. McCain has said unless this nearly trillion dollar bailout is what it may end up to be, unless there are amendments in Paulson's proposal, really I don't believe that Americans are going to support this and we will not support this. The interesting thing in the last couple of days that I have seen is that Americans are waiting to see what John McCain will do on this proposal. They're not waiting to see what Barack Obama is going to do. Is he going to do this and see what way the political wind's blowing? They're waiting to see if John McCain will be able to see these amendments implemented in Paulson's proposal."

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 11:00 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2008 10:59:01 PM

Wow.

Wow.

That interview was like a word salad of talking points.




[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 11:31 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2008 11:30:02 PM

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/palin-on-russia.html


ahahahha what? are you KIDDING me?

9/25/2008 11:32:06 PM

Harriet Miers II

9/25/2008 11:35:24 PM

hi, my name is john mccain, and i know i will lose the debates, so instead im gonna say i "suspend" my campaign so i dont have to do them

9/26/2008 3:11:00 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzY2-GRDiPM&feature=related

9/26/2008 3:12:43 AM

^if that the link i think it is, that shit is lame and stupid and gay etc etc etc

9/26/2008 3:35:03 AM

Saul Williams FTW!

9/26/2008 8:19:12 AM

It's looking like Palin is unraveling fast! Look at all this (taken from MSNBC's First Read)

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"The New York Times’ Stanley critiques the performance (interview with Katie Couric yesterday). "While it is quite likely, and perhaps understandable, that Ms. Palin felt nervous and spooked by all the media attention, it wasn’t a reassuring performance. Ms. Palin looked more steady and confident when she took a few questions from reporters after a visit to ground zero in Lower Manhattan, her first, gingerly encounter with campaign reporters since her nomination.” “The CBS interview, shown partly on Wednesday and partly on Thursday, was only a first taste — Ms. Couric is scheduled to go out on the campaign trail with the Palin team early next week. But it may be hard for Mr. McCain’s running mate to recoup. It wasn’t her first interview on national television, but in some ways it was the worst." "

Quote :

" As if Palin's bad week needed to get worse, the Washington Post reports that, as governor, Palin accepted over $25,000 in gifts "from industry executives, municipalities and a cultural center whose board includes officials from some of the largest mining interests in the state, a review of state records shows. About a quarter of the entities bestowing gifts on the governor are represented by one of Alaska's most influential mining lobbyists, who said in an interview that she was not involved in the tributes. The lobbyist, Wendy Chamberlain, has a relationship with the governor's family through the friendship of their teenage daughters.” "

Quote :

" "The McCain-Palin campaign is "moving on many fronts" to stall an investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused the power of her office by firing her public safety commissioner, Alaska lawmakers claimed in a court filing Thursday. The filing is in response to a lawsuit by five Republican state legislators seeking to halt the Legislative Council's investigation into whether Palin abused her power when she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan this summer." "

Ouch. Quite a tempest brewing.

9/26/2008 9:30:18 AM

^

Quote :

""That's interesting, but it won't stick. It's too distant of a relationship for people to care.""

9/26/2008 10:16:46 AM

^ Ummm... they were giving palin money directly... that's as close as you can get.

9/26/2008 10:18:45 AM

yeah.... Obama helps authorize a state grant to an organization, headed by a former Obama campaign volunteer, to help build a garden, and the garden is never built, and the wife of the organization's head ends up with most of the money

vs.

Palin received gifts from oil industry executives


mhum, they're practically the same thing

9/26/2008 10:24:44 AM

i don't know if this has been posted, but really good article on Palin and her not being qualified
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080/

9/26/2008 12:49:01 PM

Quote :

"So wait... McCain cancelled on Letterman, claiming he has to run to Washington and then appeared in an interview with Couric? Hahahah. What a joke."

yeah that was hilarious.


but whats really funny is how mccain said he was going to suspend his campaign to get that bill passed...and the bill still isn't passed but he's still going to the debate. Turns out he pulls this "campaign suspension" pretty often:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080926.wcampaign26/BNStory/usElection2008/home

Quote :

"The seeming disconnect between the word "suspended" and the Republican campaign's continued action led some to wonder whether the move was a crass political ploy to avoid the debate and resuscitate Mr. McCain's floundering reputation on economic issues."

9/26/2008 1:27:23 PM

Harry Reid:

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"The insertion of presidential politics has not been helpful. I repeat: The insertion of presidential politics has not been helpful. It's been harmful."

I totally agree, presidential politics are annoying as shit.

Quote :

"Senate Democrats, House Democrats, and Senate Republicans agree those principles laid out by Senator Obama are the ones that must be in any plan for addressing the issue. They're what we call the principles of fairness. "

What the hell did Obama do? So now Obama is the architect of the entire bailout plan when he wasn't even there for any of the discussions?

9/26/2008 1:40:15 PM

Quote :

" Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said Thursday that Sen. John McCain made a "huge mistake" by even discussing canceling the presidential debate with Sen. Barack Obama. Huckabee said Thursday in Mobile that the people need to hear both candidates. He said that’s "far better than heading to Washington" to huddle with senators. Huckabee said he still backs McCain’s candidacy, but said the Arizona senator should not have put his campaign on hold to deal with the financial crisis on Wall Street. He said a president must be prepared to "deal with the unexpected." "You can’t just say, ‘World stop for a moment. I’m going to cancel everything,"‘ Huckabee said. "

9/26/2008 1:51:19 PM

i found something scary when i tried to search for articles that praised sarah palin's experience. an article, i did not find. i did find a really sweet blog with some really compelling reasons for backing palin's experience record such as:

she is attractive, she has a compelling story, she has a diverse background of experience


http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:01mEZWrwFWMJ:chatterboxchronicles.blogspot.com/2008/08/governor-sarah-palins-experience.html+sarah+palin+experience&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us&client=safari

9/26/2008 1:55:24 PM

Conservative commentators are not liking Palin:

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"Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it. It was fun while it lasted. Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League. "

Quote :

"When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily: “I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?” If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself. If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true."

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE

Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough, and Ed Rollins (former Reagan staffer) all gave her bad marks on the interview with Couric.

9/26/2008 1:56:14 PM

Ouch. But how could you not? If you watch that video it is sad, she looks honestly kind of ditzy. She just isn't ready at all. Her answers were awful, she didn't know anything, and she came off as someone with no real political prowess. Sure she can read speeches given to her, but in an open forum it's bad.

Joe Biden will completely make her look like she's playing T ball. The way she says 'Putin rearing his head' made her look like some vacant cheerleader type. I mean I just don't know how you could feel safe about her being #2 given McCain's age. I just don't.

9/26/2008 2:00:14 PM

wow

an article on the national review that says paln isn't prepared? i never would've seen that coming.


i thought there were a bunch more right-wingers on this site. where did they all go?

9/26/2008 2:00:37 PM

well they'll come back eventually blaming the media for making her look bad.

this is a quote from that newsweek article posted up there somewhere...

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"Ask yourself: how has "elitism" become a bad word in American politics? There is simply no other walk of life in which extraordinary talent and rigorous training are denigrated. We want elite pilots to fly our planes, elite troops to undertake our most critical missions, elite athletes to represent us in competition and elite scientists to devote the most productive years of their lives to curing our diseases. And yet, when it comes time to vest people with even greater responsibilities, we consider it a virtue to shun any and all standards of excellence. When it comes to choosing the people whose thoughts and actions will decide the fates of millions, then we suddenly want someone just like us, someone fit to have a beer with, someone down-to-earth—in fact, almost anyone, provided that he or she doesn't seem too intelligent or well educated."

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 2:05 PM. Reason : .]

9/26/2008 2:04:40 PM

That National Review and Kathleen Parker is about as supportive to their campaign as it gets. She's a freaking Palin cheerleader.

For her to turn on Palin says all you need to know.

9/26/2008 2:06:32 PM