Wouldn't the $200-$300 premium eventually (and by eventually, I mean 6-8 months from now) go away as such a novelty feature becomes more and more common?I mean some guy on a message board I read even said he bought "a internet connected / applications TV, just because [he] couldn't get one without it." What makes you think this wouldn't end up being the same deal? Especially given google's history of providing "free" services to the masses in order to gain the biggest marketshare in the long run.
10/27/2010 9:03:24 PM
^No, I think tv manufacturers are going to stop putting in these shitty embedded experiences. The reason I didn't have a choice is because I wanted a 3Dtv, which I basically paid a double premium for.This happens all the time in TV land. The whole industry is based largely on volume margins, so any "value add" is quickly commoditized and then either becomes a standard feature (HDMI), or disappears from the market (EDTV).No one uses this shit, there's zero secondary market for the apps, and the only reason they exist right now is as a differentiator for "top end" sets. Commoditization = Death for all of these embedded experiences right now. Until/Unless someone comes up with essentially IPTV through an embedded device, and tv manufacturers start shipping rich content remotes standard, this is going to be a very short lived fad. And seeing the reaction of the Cable Companies and Networks to GoogleTV, tells me theres no chance in hell of that happening anytime soon.
10/27/2010 9:21:20 PM
10/27/2010 9:32:16 PM
Man, trying to reason with noen is about the most hopeless shit everHis mind is made and he's just gonna throw 20-odd buzzwords in every post until you resign in frustration]
10/27/2010 9:35:50 PM
^^ Embedded App televisions have been out for 2 years now. Google TV is not doing anything new or different. All the shit on Google TV I can already do on my Samsung. Netflix, Facebook, Twitter, Hulu are all there.And they fucking blow. Everything is slow, laggy, and a giant pain in the ass to use. Browsing the web from your television is just as FAIL. WebTV already taught us this lesson. The web doesn't translate well to a 10ft experience.And a bunch of the shit GoogleTV promises is smoke and mirrors. You get ZERO cable television integration with it. The DVR/Guide/Tuning aspect only works with DishTV, and who the hell has that?
10/27/2010 10:13:00 PM
10/27/2010 10:34:08 PM
10/28/2010 1:07:12 AM
10/28/2010 1:38:31 AM
^^ Thanks for proving how much of a dumbass you are. I work with customers every day. You sit & design software. Obviously the market data that you get telling you whether people like or dislike an interface really gives you a lot of insight into their buying habits. Shit, your company can't even PAY people to use Bing over Google. You honestly expect me to believe that you've learned a damn thing from them about consumers? Hey guys, let's have a Windows Party!!!!20 million XBoxes in the US... Hmm... I wonder how many people there are age 25 and below.... You're right, this is obviously a bunch of 30+ year olds gaming when they get home from work. Obviously these weren't bought for kids or buy college students. Retard...Your average Joe sees Verizon commercials every fucking day talking about Droid & Google. My family is as much as idiots as normal people are. People buy shit because it's what they KNOW you fucking dumbass. Ask someone what the best car is and you're going to get something that people know, not what is best. Five+ years ago Ford/Chevy made shit cars and they sold a fuck ton of them. There was absolutely nothing whatsoever better about them other than what people THOUGHT. Obviously you really know people well.AppleTV has a good chance because it's Apple. Who the fuck has heard of Roku? Who the fuck has heard of Boxee? Go in to that best buy and ask people if they'd rather have GoogleTV or Boxee and see what they say. They'll want GoogleTV because they have no fucking clue what Boxee is. Dell Zino HD is a FUCKING COMPUTER. People don't think that computers are easy you twat. That's why people buy Macs even though they're not any easier for most things. People know the name and associate it with easy. Newegg has 9 Netbooks under $200. They have 70 over $300. Seriously, how the fuck can you be in the tech industry and be that far out of touch with reality. I'd wager that more people buy $500 netbooks than <$200 netbooks. Where is this magical GoogleTV remote? I've never seen it. I've seen the one that Sony made. I've seen the one that comes with the Revue. I'm not aware of an actual GoogleTV remote that's made by anything other than the actual unit manufacturers though. Seriously, that's like saying Windows is shit because a computer came with a trackball instead of a mouse.I referenced the Zune because it's the perfect example of why a name matters. People don't know Zune and don't like MS. Zune is a technically superior device to the iPods (so are half the other devices out there). People don't buy an iPod for the marketplace. People buy an iPod because it's what they know and THEN they find out about the marketplace. How often do you think people pick up a Zune (or Sandisk or whatever), ask if they can use it with iTunes, and then put it back? It's not like people see iTunes and say "Oh man, I gotta find something so I can use that!". If you meant marketing then I would agree with you because marketing makes sure people are FAMILIAR WITH THE FUCKING NAME.The Ford Edsel has been out of production for how long? Good job on completely failing at an argument. How exactly do you define a product as crapware? If you're referring to me pulling it off of computers at work, they all use Chrome and it's an irrelevant program that isn't necessary and only slows the computers down. I also switched them over to Gmail and pulled Outlook off of several of their computers. I guess it's crapware too? Don't get your panties in a wad because you didn't specify what the fuck you're talking about. Google Voice Search is alive and well on Android. If you meant Goog411 then you should have said it. It's also an irrelevant product now. They dropped it because of the number of people using smartphones that don't need it. Makes sense to me to quit throwing money at a dying need. If you want to talk about Google failures, there's a lot of them out there but you're apparently not familiar with them.People don't care about being frustrated as shit with Android phones. I agree completely that people get frustrated. So what? They deal with it every day when they cut their computer on. What the fuck do you think it says that "every non-techy person" that you know gets frustrated by it yet it's gone from nothing to 2nd or 3rd in market share in basically 2 years. People KNOW it so people BUY it.*edit* Nacho is right. Arguing with you is a lost cause. [Edited on October 28, 2010 at 7:53 AM. Reason : .]
10/28/2010 7:51:49 AM
^I don't "sit and design" software. I talk to customers and users constantly. I spent the first 8 months this year talking to a set of customers EVERY OTHER DAY. Next, seriously almost every rebuttal argument you just made is categorically wrong. You made a half dozen contradictory statements, the worst of which being that somehow Android is a frustrating and complex experience, while saying that people expect GoogleTV will be super simple and easy because that's what Google's brand tells them.You're completely wrong about the market demographic for the 360. You're completely wrong about the market share for the 200 dollar netbook. And I love that both you and El Nacho somehow think I'm trying to push some Microsoft agenda, without a single reason. All I'm saying is that GoogleTV is a super shitty product that is IN NO WAY INNOVATIVE, which the last I checked, was the point of this thread.It's nothing new, hardware or software. This isnt a google brand recognition thread, it's a google innovation thread. And there are OTHER devices on the market that do MORE for 1/3 the cost.
10/28/2010 12:53:45 PM
But will it blend?GoogleTV doesn't do a lot? The main innovation here is that it searches all media content available with a single interface, including speech search. No switching from LiveTV over to your Xbox to run a PlayOn app just to watch internet TV. No going on iTunes to pay $0.99 for every episode of TV you want to watch. It's free content and it's all in one place. No other product has that. AppleTV, Roku, nor Boxee have their interface tied into live TV, all require you to switch another device on and change sources. Video chat will be coming as well.Content delivery is coming. If any of you watched the Google I/O, you'd know Google is coming out with their own music streaming & music store with the purchase of SimplifyMedia. GoogleTV can update automatically so you can bet they'll be updating the OS constantly to add new features. Buying music online will be easy and convenient and I'm sure that GoogleTV will tap into this.As far as upcharge, last time I checked I think the Sony internet TV is only $100-$150 more than their non-internet TV, not $200-$300.Google has OEM partners don't forget what they did with the phone market. If GoogleTV gets any traction, you can bet that nearly every manufacturer will have a GoogleTV version. Also GoogleTV hasn't advertised at ALL. So it's REALLY early to see if people will be drawn to it, it's quite clear most people on here don't know what the hell GoogleTV is or does much less the general public.Also there's Android. Within 2 years of the original release, nearly 1 out of every 3 handsets sold today has Android on it. With over 10 million Android users alone in the U.S. and with the ability to push your phone apps and content to your TV (note: this is basically the similar to AirPlay on AppleTV) they are banking on brand loyalty and an integrated media solution, just like the AppleTV & iPhone.The AppleTV doesn't do more, it's just one massive advertisement to pay money to watch TV & movies, it's an archaic method of paying for services based on the a la carte method.If you want to stream local movies & music to your TV, just buy a DLNA HDTV and use Windows 7 or PlayOn, no need for an Xbox. The Logitech Revue WILL SERVE CONTENT via DLNA so all you need is a Windows 7 computer to do it, it is unfortunate that it won't use network drives, but who knows, maybe they'll add it later?[Edited on October 28, 2010 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]
10/28/2010 2:27:59 PM
Before Google can sell anything to the common consumer, they're going to need to show that there's a need or create a desire for the product.But that really doesn't exist for Google TV. Honestly, the whole thing reminds me a lot of the whole Google Wave debacle. Every tech saavy person heard it existed, got super excited about it, and had to get an invite to it. Then when they got their hands on it, no one really knew what it was or what they were supposed to do with it.As it stands right now, all this seems to really do is get the web on your TV (not sure there's been a huge public clamoring for that) and give you Netflix, which is performed by a million different companies already, many of whom have better name brand recognition when it comes to a entertainment than Google.It doesn't seem like it's going to go anywhere as a set-top box. As a built-in function of the TV? Maybe, but they're sort of late to the party, as the tech saavy people who would really want something like Google TV already have HDTVs and, even still, it's going to need some sort of "killer app" to really make it matter that Google TV is built in.
10/28/2010 2:37:46 PM
Ok, before anyone else posts anything more about GoogleTV, GO READ ABOUT ITThere's too much crappy misguided information ITT already.
10/28/2010 2:47:40 PM
Or better yet, watch the Google I/O videos on it.
10/28/2010 2:52:04 PM
10/28/2010 3:02:07 PM
well i think your comments are pure speculation, it's been out what a couple weeks? you can't really expect GoogleTV to come out and work with every single content provider immediately can you? i do agree this is the biggest challenge.Android being fragmented is getting kinda old. Yes most people are on either 2.1 or 2.2, but it's not as much of a mess for consumers as it is for developers. The biggest issue is the lack of uniformness in the UI because each manufacturer slaps on their own version, which will probably happen with GoogleTV, just look at the UI differences between Sony & Logitech. I don't see fragmentation being an issue so much as OE's being able to customize it differently. The issue with fragmentation lies more in the hardware is so different. Hell even Apple iOS4 couldn't run on all the old hardware...(read:fragmentation) it's not that they don't want people to run the later versions, but more so that all the early hardware doesn't have the capabilities to run the newer versions.I wouldn't call kiosks at Best Buy advertising. Just because it costs money doesn't mean it's valuable advertising. That only advertises to people who go to the store. That doesn't include TV, radio, web, print, etc., that's pretty much zero... ok ok... maybe 1 percent.And your argument about content delivery is absolute hogwash. It's 100% speculation and based on NOTHING historically. Apple, Napster, Microsoft, Amazon, Walmart, Rhapsody all have made content deals to distribute from pretty much every major record label, no reason Google wouldn't be able to as well.
10/28/2010 4:19:59 PM
10/28/2010 5:17:10 PM
10/28/2010 9:58:31 PM
You guys just refuse to get it. Your parents would be better off buying an xbox than they would buying a google tv. And if you don't see why you're just a fucking dumbass. [Edited on October 28, 2010 at 11:21 PM. Reason : Microsoft #1! Woo! Fuck yeah!]
10/28/2010 11:21:34 PM
that was beyond the point... the point was that numbers of xboxs sold dont translate quite as neatly as 1:15 to what the consumer wants in other areas
10/28/2010 11:41:36 PM
10/28/2010 11:41:56 PM
mod_pagespeedhttp://www.technologyreview.com/web/26678/?nlid=3729
11/4/2010 11:33:04 AM
Anybody messed with Google Earth v6.0 yet?
11/29/2010 5:16:32 PM
Now with 3D trees!
11/29/2010 5:51:24 PM
That's the best they could do? Looks like 15 years ago:Ah, the memories.
11/29/2010 6:22:16 PM
^is that the white house custom map we used to play over 28.8k modems? lol.
11/29/2010 6:53:39 PM
Google beatboxhttp://bit.ly/hPrazN
11/30/2010 3:27:14 PM
Cloud Printing. Done.http://www.google.com/landing/cloudprint/win-enable.html
12/7/2010 11:01:10 AM
So the latest Chrome beta has Google Instant built right into the omnibox. You have to go to "about:flags" to enable it, but it's literally the best thing to happen to a web browser ever. You can start typing "thewolfweb.com" into the bar and by the time you're finished typing the site is loaded. If it's already in your history, it's even faster.
12/8/2010 8:56:10 AM
Anyone here sign up for the Cr-48 Chrome OS laptop pilot program and actually receive one? People are saying they just get them unannounced, no confirmation or shipping email or anything.
12/9/2010 6:10:52 PM
Any way to make reminders off by default when using Google calendar?
12/14/2010 3:25:05 PM
12/14/2010 7:07:14 PM
oh dag, Eric Schmidt is stepping down as CEO
1/21/2011 10:27:56 AM
cloud print is niceeeeeeeeeee
1/21/2011 1:01:56 PM
The gmail webapp is now supporting cloudprint. http://www.iClarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=13616
1/24/2011 2:21:15 PM
http://services.google.com/earth/kmz/realtime_earthquakes_n.kmz
3/13/2011 11:37:12 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.google.com%2Fearth%2Fkmz%2Frealtime_earthquakes_n.kmz&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl
3/13/2011 11:53:31 PM
Gmail Motion, this is pretty incredible!!
4/1/2011 9:41:00 AM
Do a search for helvetica or comic sans...There's also this job opening:http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/autocompleter/index.htmlAnd Youtube has gone back to 1911:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNm8ZCJ7Fx8Chrome's new website:http://www.chromercise.com/Google body browser adds browsing of cow:http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
4/1/2011 12:18:37 PM
https://www.google.com/advisor/home
5/20/2011 11:36:37 AM
^thats pretty awesome. Won't really use it often, but may get some competition on rates as a result.
5/20/2011 12:08:07 PM
just saw the advisor....mang what doesnt google do?
5/20/2011 12:41:56 PM
http://correlate.googlelabs.com/
6/10/2011 10:25:27 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/14/google-announces-search-by-image-search-by-voice-for-desktop/search by image (tinyeye wut wut)
6/14/2011 2:02:40 PM
what the hell is this?http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/introducing-google-project-real-life.html?spref=fb
6/28/2011 11:34:56 PM
a google news search will answer your question more fully. but the short of it is: It's their new social networking crap.
6/29/2011 12:08:49 AM
Who has Google+ invites?
6/29/2011 12:11:06 AM
I'd like one if someone has any.
6/29/2011 12:27:44 AM
I'd like one first if someone has any.
6/29/2011 12:38:09 AM
Rumor is that google employees aren't allowed to give facebook employees invites, so I'm afraid I won't be of much help this time. Pretty petty, if you ask me.
6/29/2011 3:14:00 AM